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Deadly Storms: What's Driving the Surge?
Discovery News ^ | April 29, 2011 | By Emily Sohn

Posted on 04/29/2011 5:58:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Beyond the dramatic YouTube videos and the devastating stories of lives lost, the recent swell of tornado news has left many people wondering what's driving the sudden swirl of destruction. Does global warming have anything to do with it? And how much more extreme is it going to get?

For better and for worse, experts say, these are questions that they can't answer with certainty. Climate change doesn't act in any particular way on the level of tornadoes. What's more, the frequency of tornadoes in one month does not predict how many twisters will strike in the months that follow.

Instead, this month's turn of events is a result of a sort of perfect atmospheric storm.

"It's sort of your classic combination that can produce large death tolls," Brooks said. "Large tornadoes that are very strong are moving through populated areas in a part of the country that has a high mobile home population. It's a combination of factors that we fortunately don't see very often."

A weakening La Niña may explain much of this April's damaging nature, said Paul Douglas, meteorologist and founder of Weather Nation.

"It's human nature to want a smoking gun, a simple explanation to a very complex atmospheric challenge," Douglas said on Thursday -- one day after the record-setting suite of storms. "Climate change may be one of the many contributing factors, but La Niña was probably a much more significant player in yesterday's historic outbreak."

"Tornadoes require a very specific menu of weather ingredients," he added. "And yesterday, all those factors converged on the Deep South."

As for what's to come, no one can say for sure.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: climategate; envirowhackos; failure; hoax; socialism; tornados; weather

1 posted on 04/29/2011 5:58:10 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

—”worst tornado outbreak since 1974” seems to manage to creep out in every news story-—seems like it may not be Bushes’fault-—


2 posted on 04/29/2011 6:00:42 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I blame Obama.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 6:00:42 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Carter 2.0 The Epic Fail Edition)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Was it ¨climate change” when a similar wave of tornadoes hit the same region in the seventies? What a bunch of crap.


4 posted on 04/29/2011 6:01:03 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

George W. Bush!!


5 posted on 04/29/2011 6:01:50 AM PDT by Broker (Mabuhay!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“..the stronger-than-usual tornadoes affecting the southern states were actually predicted from examining the planet’s climatological patterns, specifically those related to the La Nina phenomenon .

“We knew it was going to be a big tornado year,” he said. But the key to that tip-off was unrelated to climate change: “It is related to the natural fluctuations of the planet.”

International News 24/7
28 April 2011 - 22H45
http://www.france24.com/en/20110428-tornadoes-whipped-wind-not-climate-officials
Tornadoes whipped up by wind, not climate: officials


6 posted on 04/29/2011 6:03:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

When He utters His voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, And He causes the clouds to ascend from the end of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain, And brings forth the wind from His storehouses.

Jeremiah 51:16


7 posted on 04/29/2011 6:06:31 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: onedoug

The best explanation I’ve heard came from Joe Bastardi, formerly of Accuweather.com. He’s a real pro at long range forecasting. Joe says the cause is a cooler Pacific ocean and a warmer Atlantic ocean and Gulf of Mexico. The clash of the airmasses associated with this temperature difference occurs over the SE USA. The cooler Pacific leads to cooler than normal temps in the mid and upper atmosphere which leads to large areas of instability, which, in turn promotes massive, powerful T-storms. He predicted an “active” weather season this spring for the SE USA back before Christmas and, once again, he was right. Joe also says so-called “Global warming” has nothing whatsoever to do with this most recent outbreak.


8 posted on 04/29/2011 6:06:48 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: rellimpank

The tornado superoutbreak of April 3-4, 1974 resulted in 148 tornadoes in 13 states. Across the United States, 315 people were killed, more than 6,000 injured, and 27,000 families suffered property losses. The Xenia Tornado caused the most deaths of any tornado in the outbreak. In Ohio, 12 tornadoes touched down, killing 36 people.

http://www.ohiohistory.org/etcetera/exhibits/swio/pages/content/1974_tornado.htm


9 posted on 04/29/2011 6:07:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ALGORE is doing it.
He is worried that people have caught on to his lies. . .
10 posted on 04/29/2011 6:07:17 AM PDT by DeaconRed (O The carnival barker said: "We don't have time for This silliness" I agree Impeach 0 Now)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s rather simple really. Heck my nine year old who loves books on tornadoes can even explain it. It’s an El Nino year and the Northern part of the U.S. is much colder than normal, and we all know Tornadoes are caused by cold air bumping up against hot air from the Gulf. The colder that “cold air” part of the equation is, the more tornadoes you are likely to have and with greater intensity.

Speaking of cold air, here in Washington we just had the coldest April on record.

So all this talk about “Climate Change” causing it, is nothing but a sticking pile of crap. Next year they could just as easily have a mild tornado season. Like the mild Hurricane seasons that followed Katrina.


11 posted on 04/29/2011 6:15:07 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why is it that anymore, whenever there’s bad weather somewhere, people feel the need to rush and find an ‘explanation’?

IT’S WEATHER, for God’s sake!


12 posted on 04/29/2011 6:15:16 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: thackney
1974-75 was about the time they were scaring us with the Coming Ice Age. I don't know that anyone blamed a cooling trend on the 1974 tornado outbreak, but we seem to be in another cooling phase and we seem to be having notable tornadoes.

Maybe Global Warming would be a good thing.

13 posted on 04/29/2011 6:15:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There was actually a crazy guy here yesterday posting proof it was a weather machine thread- and he honestly believed it. It was good for lols


14 posted on 04/29/2011 6:16:35 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Also Psalm 29

A psalm of David

1 Ascribe to the LORD, you heavenly beings,
ascribe to the LORD glory and strength.
2 Ascribe to the LORD the glory due his name;
worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness.

3 The voice of the LORD is over the waters;
the God of glory thunders,
the LORD thunders over the mighty waters.
4 The voice of the LORD is powerful;
the voice of the LORD is majestic.

5 The voice of the LORD breaks the cedars;
the LORD breaks in pieces the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He makes Lebanon leap like a calf,
Sirion like a young wild ox.

7 The voice of the LORD strikes
with flashes of lightning.
8 The voice of the LORD shakes the desert;
the LORD shakes the Desert of Kadesh.

9 The voice of the LORD twists the oaks
and strips the forests bare.
And in his temple all cry, “Glory!”
10 The LORD sits enthroned over the flood;
the LORD is enthroned as King forever.

11 The LORD gives strength to his people;
the LORD blesses his people with peace.


15 posted on 04/29/2011 6:21:06 AM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His word ...)
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To: mnehring

It’s spring. The only difference is that the real big storms built up in the southeast and rolled through metro areas instead of hitting in the plains. No different than other years.


16 posted on 04/29/2011 6:21:24 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Does global warming have anything to do with it?

Utter foolishness. We have no idea as to "Super Outbreaks" in the past centuries. Weather reporting then would have been reduced to a tribal elder pointing out to young bucks "Me had wigwam here, but Great Spirit sent great wind which blew wigwam away." "Gee, tribal elder, how big was the wind?" "Heap big." "Ugh!"

17 posted on 04/29/2011 6:23:00 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: rstrahan; All

For some laughs.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2712028/posts


18 posted on 04/29/2011 6:23:00 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Our modern Einsteins are about to discover ... Spring.

After Al Gore discovered Summer, this seems like a regressive step.


19 posted on 04/29/2011 6:23:51 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: steelyourfaith

“Climate change may be one of the many contributing factors, but La Niña was probably a much more significant player in yesterday’s historic outbreak.”


20 posted on 04/29/2011 6:26:43 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I live in Iowa and we have been 20-25 degrees below normal and if that air slams into normal temps there will be weather events. This has caused much of the major flooding in Iowa the last few years.

After 60+ years on this earth and with the records I have seen that date back thousands of years through earth core sampling, tree rings, etc. the one constant I have seen is change.

To extrapolate: I am not ready to fund Al Gores ponzi scheme to get rich off of carbon credits.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 6:27:40 AM PDT by PORD (People Of Right & Duty!)
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To: rellimpank
We've had the worst winter in 28 years. Powerful cold fronts are still sweeping down out of Canada. This very cold air is meeting warm moist gulf air in the country's southern midsection and producing large mesocyclone supercell thunderstorms. The tornados come with them. So global warming has nothing to do with it whatsoever!

Mike

22 posted on 04/29/2011 6:27:56 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama got hold of the Rove Weather Machine and turned it on the red states.


23 posted on 04/29/2011 6:30:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KoRn

Meteorologists probably feel the need.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 6:32:06 AM PDT by stuartcr (The soul is the .cfg file for the body)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Polar bears getting even!!!! Global warming says algore.
25 posted on 04/29/2011 6:34:22 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
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26 posted on 04/29/2011 6:34:55 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: onedoug

That is the correct answer, **it happens.


27 posted on 04/29/2011 6:35:58 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Thermalseeker

“Large tornadoes that are very strong are moving through populated areas in a part of the country that has a high mobile home population.”

It’s a well documented fact that mobile homes cause tornadoes, and UFO sightings.


28 posted on 04/29/2011 6:43:23 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Also, more people and more houses thus more for tornadoes to destroy. Better detection and reporting of tornadoes due to having doppler radar that can track storms, and also create warnings to get folks to shelter. I’ve long held that the “increase” in hurricanes in the 60 years is due to being able to detect and track them when they are in the Atlantic, long before and if they hit land. Thus: Is a hurricane still a hurricane if it is born, lives, and dies totally out to sea with no human ever knowing about it?


29 posted on 04/29/2011 6:43:59 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Pegita; TurkeyLurkey
So what is the take-away from these drive-by out-of-context scripture drops?

Are you simply acknowledging that God is LORD over all Creation (which is true even without extreme WX) or is your message today "God hates you and wants you dead"

Instead of preaching the Anti-Gospel and a god that is difficult to distinguish from the Muslim's Allah, I would recommend:

Romans 8:18-22 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now...

The passage continues to show that mankind groans within ourselves awaiting the hope of redemption. Then deliver the Gospel Message rather than just say "God hates you and has a plan to destroy your life." sort of hopeless dreck.

30 posted on 04/29/2011 6:48:58 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: mnehring

OMG. I missed that thread.

Some FReepers are in dire need of therapy, and fast.


31 posted on 04/29/2011 6:49:40 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: Matchett-PI

I also heard that in the la Nina pattern, the Pacific is ‘cooling’ and that is what contributed to this run....which will continue thru May.

so much for global warming with the Pacific getting cooler.


32 posted on 04/29/2011 6:52:22 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: rstrahan

Yes it is different than most years from the fact that this was the largest number of tornados ever. The only year that compares is the 1974 SuperOutbreak. - of course none of this had a damn thing to do with this Climate Change nonsense.


33 posted on 04/29/2011 6:58:01 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Tornadoes require a very specific menu of weather ingredients," he added. "And yesterday, all those factors converged on the Deep South because of all the hot air coming out of congress in Washington D C."
34 posted on 04/29/2011 7:05:30 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The American taxpayer cannot support the tax and spend habits of DC.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Do they have tornedos in other parts of the world like this?
Just wondering.


35 posted on 04/29/2011 7:08:52 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“What’s Driving the Surge?”

Cold front squall lines moving into warmer, humidity laden air coming up from the Gulf.


36 posted on 04/29/2011 7:13:20 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I love Mother Nature. She makes humankind look so weak, delusional and just plain dumb.
37 posted on 04/29/2011 7:21:51 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Deadly Storms: What's Driving the Surge?
According to an America hating, enviro-whacko "Letter to the Editor" writer, in my morning paper ... Unbelievable ... and even more so that this rag would print this trash.
38 posted on 04/29/2011 7:28:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: thackney

—I’d be curious about large “outbreaks” previous to that one, too-—betcha that they have occurred as long as records have been kept—


39 posted on 04/29/2011 7:29:52 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: super7man

—the area of Russia that is topographically and climatically similar to the U. S. midwest and south has tornados, IIRC-—


40 posted on 04/29/2011 7:35:23 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: The Theophilus

Whoa, your accusations are way off base, out of context, and out of line. Try not to be so insulting.

The question is, why the surge of storms. The ultimate answer is God.

He is Sovereign, meaning that He is over everything and has control over everything, including storms, tornados, tsunamis, etc.

Why does He cause calamity?

To accomplish His purposes, to turn people from their wicked ways, their idolatries, to Himself; to punish the wicked; to discipline the righteous; to cause the righteous to cling to Him, depend on Him, live for Him (Hebrews 12)—some of the reasons given in the Scriptures.

The righteous can know that God causes ALL things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose (Rom. 8:28). God has promised to never leave or forsake His people (Heb. 13:5-6).

Another reason for calamities in our lives: Sin has consequences—always.

God has a controversy with the nations. And untimately He is going to judge all the ungodly in the nations (a major thread in the whole Bible).

There is coming a day when God will “summon a sword” against all the inhabitants of the earth (Jer. 25:29). The prophet Jeremiah, for one, talks about God’s entering into judgment with all flesh in Jeremiah 25:30-33.

I hope and pray that many will heed the multitude of warnings in the whole Bible of judgment on mankind for their many iniqities and transgressions, their rejection of God and His Provision for salvation from His coming wrath—lest we fall into the category of being stupid and devoid of knowledge (Jeremiah 51:17) and headed for complete destruction.


41 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:43 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: The Theophilus; TurkeyLurkey
It is often the storms of life, Theophilus, whatever they may be, that bring us to the only One who can calm the raging sea.

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you (with all of us), not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Thank you, TurkeyLurkey, for your response.

42 posted on 04/29/2011 10:28:48 AM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His word ...)
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To: TurkeyLurkey
Whoa, your accusations are way off base, out of context, and out of line. Try not to be so insulting.

Blanket denials don't bury the facts. Calling down death and destruction on people and calling it "chastening" deserves the charges, whether you perceive them as insulting or not. Your post is even internally contradictory so I'm thinking that you are being tossed to and fro with the Apocalyptic meme popular with the American Religion and what the Scriptures actually teach.

To accomplish His purposes, to turn people from their wicked ways, their idolatries, to Himself; to punish the wicked; to discipline the righteous; to cause the righteous to cling to Him, depend on Him, live for Him (Hebrews 12)—some of the reasons given in the Scriptures.

I see that you are Doubling down on heresy. Did you even read Hebrews 12 or just blindly cut & paste without even considering the truths within the passage? Are you saying that reprobates are God's children? If every person, head for head, are all God's children, then what do you make of v8? And what kind of sick person thinks that a father would kill his own son in order to teach that child or a sibling a lesson? Did you know that people died in those storms? Is killing people a form of "chastening"? Do you even know what that word means?

God has a controversy with the nations. And untimately He is going to judge all the ungodly in the nations (a major thread in the whole Bible).

This is partially true. The Gospel came to people of all nations so God isn't judging "nations", God will judge the wicked. People who think that "nations" are to be judged don't have a healthy knowledge of the doctrines of Redemption or of the Gospel.

In terms of who is judged and when See Matthew 13:24-30 (Wheat & Tares). In fact, when the workers said, "Do you want us to go and pull them up?" (regarding the wicked), the master said "let both grow together until the harvest lest while gathering the tares you also uproot the wheat with them". The post I object to, and your continued defense of, claims that the LORD is allowing the wheat and the tares be ripped up together. IOW, the idea conveyed in the post, and the idea you defend rejects the LORD's command.

I hope and pray that many will heed the multitude of warnings in the whole Bible of judgment on mankind for their many iniqities and transgressions

Its obvious you are a stranger to the Gospel if you believe that statement. God doesn't kill people with tornadoes just to get others to repent and believe. Read Luke 13:2-5 regarding the fallen tower in Siloam, our LORD did not use that disaster to say anything like "that's what will happen to you if you don't repent", rather it was the exact opposite in that He challenged the presuppositions that catastrophe is real-time judgment for sins. The bigger the sins, the bigger the disaster. Instead, he said that ALL will perish, and for that reason, not because a tower fell, people should repent.

The Gospel message has never been "repent or I'll wipe you out and send plagues upon you." Because if it was, then salvation would simply be a form of Disaster Insurance - an extremely selfish self-serving motivation. God receives glory when a sinner repents. What you propose is that God shoots someone in the head and then turns to you and say "repent, or I'll shoot you in the head too.". You find glory in that? That's thuggery. Faith comes from regeneration originated by the Paraclete and repentance from a changed heart and the Gospel preached and received. The contrite heart doesn't do so in terror of getting killed by a storm, but in recognition that they are a sinner who has offended God's holiness and is in deep need of salvation and atonement with the Almighty Creator.

I reject your Thug God Theology. Jesus came to save the Elect, not to crush people for kicks or as a warning. If you were a student of the OT, you would see that the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the various captivities didn't persuade anyone. Sending prophet after prophet didn't win over any souls - instead the prophets were killed and the recipients of all these physical and verbal warnings went ahead with great zeal and crucified their Messiah. It made absolutely no difference to them. So with this bountiful empirical evidence what makes you think that everything is different now and a storm, tsunami, hurricane or earthquake will cause repentance with greater effect than the Gospel preached?

43 posted on 04/29/2011 11:03:51 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Fractal Trader; Bockscar; Thunder90; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Normandy; FreedomPoster; Para-Ord.45; ..
Thanx for the ping Fractal Trader !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

44 posted on 04/29/2011 2:26:37 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: MichaelP
We've had the worst winter in 28 years. Powerful cold fronts are still sweeping down out of Canada. This very cold air is meeting warm moist gulf air in the country's southern midsection and producing large mesocyclone supercell thuderstorms. The tornados come with them.

Correct. Old man winter is very stubborn this year. And many ski resorts have set their all time records for snow fall. Has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Global Warming fantasy. The PDO is also very strong. La Nina is still here but is slightly weaker. And strangely the Western Pacific near China and Japan is also cold. The sun has become active, but cannot seem to sustain strong activity. Going through strong to moderate output cycles. The sun needs to go strongly active for about 6 months before we will possibly see a break in the cold.

45 posted on 04/29/2011 3:08:25 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

and mullets.....


46 posted on 04/30/2011 6:20:21 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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