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Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?
JPFO ^ | 2011 | Kirby Ferris

Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain

There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:

* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.

* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.

* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"

No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?

Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?

As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?

I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.

However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”

On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.

I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.

The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.

Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.

What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.

Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.

We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.

Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!

Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.

We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.

Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
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1 posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 04/29/2011 9:29:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: marktwain; Jack Black; Travis McGee

CWII ping


3 posted on 04/29/2011 9:29:42 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

Really? How about one brother increasingly appropriating the fruits of the other brother's labors?

This will 'bring it on' before anything else.

4 posted on 04/29/2011 9:30:00 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marktwain

The left realizes that there’s only so much “nibbling around the edges” in implementing communism without disarming those who would resist.

They either need to be identified, put out of power, and safeguards set up to prevent their return to power,

or we’re going to have the third war for independence, precipitated by an attempt to disarm the “resistors”.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 9:30:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: skeeter

I agree and the catalyst will be union activism. They are trained to mayhem and violence, so it comes easily to them.


6 posted on 04/29/2011 9:31:19 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: marktwain

“brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.” An illegal alien is no brother of mine?


7 posted on 04/29/2011 9:31:27 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: marktwain

“Can we prevent a second civil war?”

First question: why would you want to?

Lest anyone fly off the handle and call that insensitive, let me say this, a civil war would not be the worst thing that could result from current situation. One side is already fighting hard, and has been for a century...and they’re winning. War isn’t pretty, but submission to tyranny is uglier still.


8 posted on 04/29/2011 9:31:42 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: marktwain

We’re opponents in a serious game. Playing to win is good - taking our ball and going home if we don’t get our way isn’t...


9 posted on 04/29/2011 9:32:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (Understanding the Koran: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: skeeter

Exactly. The coming economic meltdown will trigger it - those other issues are irrelevant. The Takers will want to keep right on taking - directly from the public once their intermediaries in government are incapacitated. The public will fight back. It’s going to look like (and be labeled by liberals as) a race war, but it will be 100% caused by the public miseducation system run by those same liberals.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 9:34:55 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: marktwain
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

WRONGO!! The biggest threat to ignite a 2nd U.S. civil war is looming--when Obama loses in 2012. Looking forward to it. (Him LOSING)

11 posted on 04/29/2011 9:35:16 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: marktwain

No other issues? I disagree. Our financial problems are a major issue.


12 posted on 04/29/2011 9:36:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

you really believe that? astonishing.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 9:36:21 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I agree.

By way of comparison, Islam has been waging jihad for 15 centuries. We fought back, briefly, in the time of the Crusades, but since then we have largely submitted to Islamic encroachment. The other side fights hard, and we try to ignore the struggle.

In the same way, as you indicate, the Left has been at war with western civilization for a long time. I would say it really began with the French Revolution in 1789. The other side fights hard, and we try to ignore the struggle.

I have no desire to delay the struggle. I want the fight, because everything I value in this earthly realm is slipping through my fingers.

14 posted on 04/29/2011 9:36:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: marktwain
Question: "Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?"

Answer: No.

15 posted on 04/29/2011 9:36:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: marktwain

I think Federal intrusion into our personal lives is a 4th issue which could trigger things. People are pretty fed up with being told what they can eat, where they can go, what they can say, what they can wear, what they must believe, etc. etc.


16 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:01 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marktwain

Bailing out bankrupt liberal states with the federal tax dollars (present or future) of conservative state residents.


17 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (...a.k.a. "Norm L. C. Bias")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

And the media will spin it as the “racist hoarders” “massacring the hungry”.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Dittos to your comments!


19 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: marktwain

I think he misses at least one other major tipping point.

That is ever-increasing legal robbery by government from the producers to whatever other classes government deems is the proper recipient of those monies. Government-sponsored and approved class warfare.

This will only be tolerated for so long too if they do not stop. You can only ‘go galt’ for so long. There are always new ways to tax those you believe you’re not getting enough out of, currently.


20 posted on 04/29/2011 9:37:56 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just atched “V for Vengeance” for about the twentieth time. Although it portrays the Conservatives as the evil ones; it still, in Hollywood’s simplistic way, the power of the individual.

As for tipping points, I reached mine long ago when they decided to force me to pay for nurdering babies. This country can not continue on its present course any longer. Every elected official has had a hand in the present state of affairs and all must be held accountable.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 9:38:36 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: marktwain
The Second Civil War will really be more like the First Revolutionary War.

When the "have not's" who live off others see their funding of their 4th generation welfare lifestyles cut off as Socialism fails, they will take to the suburbs to take what they have been told for DECADES is their "Right".....because those who work for a living and have supported them through confiscation of their earnings via taxes, and then handed to them, will protect their families, wealth, and property from the parasitic masses.

22 posted on 04/29/2011 9:38:46 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: circlecity

I hear you, I think it’s more a 9th and 10th amendment issue, but yeah.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 9:39:10 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for this post. Good article.

Short answer is no.


25 posted on 04/29/2011 9:39:19 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Noumenon

Well, yeah, that would be a deterrent to them re-seeking power, now wouldn’t it?


26 posted on 04/29/2011 9:39:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain
Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?

The question is, do we WANT to prevent it? Or do we want to get it over with while we are still armed?

27 posted on 04/29/2011 9:40:32 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

The fedgov has turned into a tyranny. Bureaucratic rules that are enforced and made more and more complex by the people who run the agencies, they are madmen who do whatever they want. A SCOTUS which is leftist at worst and ireelevant at best. An out of control usurper in the WH. We are having a slow coup. The Repubs are either abject cowards or voluntarily aiding and abetting.

It’s inevitable.


28 posted on 04/29/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: subterfuge

I don’t want to wait that long.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 9:41:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
“Can we prevent a second civil war?”

The Left, once again, trying to enact their short-sighted ideas, and doing their best to prevent any and all rough consequences for their choices (which, in turn, makes even worse results).

30 posted on 04/29/2011 9:42:02 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.

I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

Yep. Some things are not up for negotiation or compromise.

31 posted on 04/29/2011 9:43:10 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marktwain
Elect Rodney King.
Can't we all just get along?
32 posted on 04/29/2011 9:43:44 AM PDT by DeaconRed (O The carnival barker said: "We don't have time for This silliness" I agree Impeach 0 Now)
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To: marktwain
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

NO other issue? Blanket statements like this truly deduct from the author's credibility.

33 posted on 04/29/2011 9:44:18 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Well said. I posted before reading yours, and my view is similar.


34 posted on 04/29/2011 9:44:25 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Backatcha, Chuz. You have often posted comments that astonished me.


35 posted on 04/29/2011 9:45:00 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: circlecity

Yes, that important aspect was not covered. Just today there’s an article about an Amish farmer who is now ruined by the US government, for the hideous crime of selling raw milk.

I say “high time” for change and I don’t mean the leftist slime kind.


36 posted on 04/29/2011 9:45:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: skeeter
Most modern wars have been fought over economic issues. Our civil war was started because of tarriffs and taxes. The slavery issue was in the background for the first part of the war.
37 posted on 04/29/2011 9:45:27 AM PDT by gleneagle
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To: Teacher317

I can think of many, many issues, all simmering, hot and getting worse day by day. I actually started to write them and realized I don’t have a half an hour to write an essay.


38 posted on 04/29/2011 9:45:59 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: marktwain
There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:

Our mixed economy is already a civil war between pressure groups and special interest groups. It is just undeclared, unnamed, and hasn't reach a level of violence to be a hot war.

39 posted on 04/29/2011 9:46:17 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: MrB

Might slow ‘em down some. And prove instructional to the survivors.


40 posted on 04/29/2011 9:46:34 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marktwain

We conservatives have no more power to stop a second civil war than we did to stop the war on Muslin terrorism. You cannot stop conflict when you’re already being attacked. What “is”...”IS”...


41 posted on 04/29/2011 9:46:48 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: marktwain

“If you try to take our firearms, we will kill you.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2683593/posts


42 posted on 04/29/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: NTHockey
Just watched “V for Vengeance” for about the twentieth time. Although it portrays the Conservatives as the evil ones; it still, in Hollywood’s simplistic way, the power of the individual.

I find that to be an interesting move also.

Setting aside the window dressing of Hollywood trying to demonize Conservatives once again, consider how much the villains resemble the Left of today.

Their tactics and actions are much more indicative of the Left than of the right.

43 posted on 04/29/2011 9:49:36 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: marktwain

44 posted on 04/29/2011 9:51:47 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; ClearCase_guy

The problem with this type of thinking is that despite a lot of blustery talk, who would know who to shoot? There are no clear boundaries, no enemy territory. You certainly can’t separate them as blue state/red state, as often the difference between them is just a few percentage points.

On the old Townhall forum, there was a nutbag who talked about dragging liberal soccer mom’s out of SUV’s and ending them on the spot, and that’s obviously not the answer even if soccer were truly a fair test of liberalism, which it is not.

So far, I’ve yet to see a decent explanation of who would be the targets in this civil war that some claim that they want.


45 posted on 04/29/2011 9:54:38 AM PDT by Melas
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To: NTHockey

Vendetta man, Vendetta not vengeance.


46 posted on 04/29/2011 9:55:48 AM PDT by Melas
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To: MrB

The media useful idiots will be the first to go, I’ll bet.


47 posted on 04/29/2011 9:56:48 AM PDT by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: marktwain

The real question is, how many will take a stand? I fear, not enough.


48 posted on 04/29/2011 9:57:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

article ping


49 posted on 04/29/2011 10:00:51 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: Melas

“Unintended Consequences” by John Ross is an interesting book.


50 posted on 04/29/2011 10:02:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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