Skip to comments.Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?
Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain
There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:
* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.
* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.
* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the brother against brother tragedy of a Second American Civil War.
Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?
Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obamas Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?
As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?
I wont deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.
However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.
This nations Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as Elmer Fudds, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them quackers. This is the good ole boy type who simply doesnt care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his sportin rights. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a Fudd! I aint gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!
On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the Cold Dead Fingers crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of let em try to take my guns! chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.
I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal line in the sand actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the Three Percenters.
What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate gun control (read "Know Thine Enemy") dont seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But theyre sleeping with one eye open.
The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic compromises with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, theres another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, shall not be infringed.
Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudds head turned into a big SUCKER when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.
What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to snarl in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the gun lobby these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.
Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.
We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.
Political activism doesnt need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you cant afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Dont let them remain Fudds or Quackers!
Or, when you hear They aint gonna get my guns!, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Dont let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It wont be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You wont be able to get up and leave the theater.
We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called gun control must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.
Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.
“After the first one, the rest are free”
I think there is one side we need to consider too is if there is some sort of CWII, what will the Rest of the World do? I’m sure there would be people in the governments of Canada, Japan, UK, France, Israel, Red China, Italy, Russia, India and so on who will be worried about who has control of our military and more importantly, our nukes. Would they send in teams to take out our nukes or push the button on us? I don’t know. Also, you have rogue nations like Iran and so on, they might want to take advantage of the chaos if the others are not strong enough to hold them on their own.
IMO, the Courts will need a serious scrubbing with industrial level cleaners before we can attempt to rebuild. This is something that I don’t have the foggiest idea idea of how to approach. Without a fair and balanced legal system we can never obtain the freedoms and securities we dream for.
Interesting You have given this some serious thought fortunately for all of us yours is only a rough outline of a very real possibility. but as the old saying goes “There is more than one way to skin a cat besides sticking its head in a boot jack & yanking on the tail”.
Nah, they get a lot of bad press, but in real life your typical judge just guides things along. The real problem is the law. There must be 6 trillion pages of it. It needs to be scrapped and built anew.
No matter where you might stand on marijuana, I think everyone can agree there is something seriously wrong when a man in (forget the state) is facing more prison time for sharing a joint with a teenager than he would be looking at had he forcibly raped that same teenager. State legislatures are even worse than congress when it comes to special interests and cause celebres.
Hell in Texas, it's often jokingly said that you'll spend more time in jail for leaving a dog in a hot car than a child, and it's not far from the truth.
My son who is 19, was having words with the homosexual brother of a girlfriend a while back. I had to tell him to back off, because if he hurt a gay kid, among other things his picture might be plastered all over the newspaper.
That’s all very plausible to me. That’s the America described in my new novel.
That’s the plot of my blue book, back at 156.
That is exactly National Socialist. It is a tactic preferred by the likes of Obama pal Hugo Chavez.
A lot of the 53 are just trying to figure out a way to cross over to the moocher side.
Be clear, he’s discussing hypothetical civil war tactic, applicable at various times in Russia, Spain, Bosnia etc etc etc. He’s not recommending something to do next week, capiche?
181 shows a very plausible chronology. Worth study.
I don’t think the same solutions will work everywhere, or work evenly. I think the USA will break into regions, giving federal lip service only. The NE might remain left/socialist, etc. Sort of like my 3rd book.
Yes I agree nice list.
check out this thread, you may have seen it already.
The only thing that prevents them from going full-out USSR/Cuba/Venezuela is the thought of the 2nd Amd shitstorm that would come flying back at them.
That pesky 2nd Amd is really a thorn in the side of the would-be tyrants.
I kinda got that myself. I’m not completely dense no matter what my children think.
It is amazing how fast some Freepers forget that everyone of us lives in a semi autonomous functional country(state) and the wed hardly notice if FedGov disappeared. Lincoln did a hell of a job destroying the republic.
If FedGov collapses then the state will be the governing body. Yes there will still be socialists and conservatives but no anarchy. Your comment sound stupid, naive. Stop listening to anarchists like Melas who preach anarchy and chaos. Those types are FOS.
As important as 2A rights are, I agree with you on this one. Every time I have to send in my monthly fed taxes it starts a slow burn. Every time I see the news where the teacher’s unions/police unions/firefighter unions/labor unions...ad nauseum...are complaining about how they need those pay increases keeps the burn going. I can bury/hide/loose the guns, but I haven’t figured out yet, how to keep the business going and not send money in to the government to be handed out to the slackers.
Thanks for the ping, really.
Ayn Rand actually called that group ‘moochers’ in her 1957 book Atlas Shrugged.
Plausable. Financial Pressures can send things over the edge. I see no trends reversing our financial issues for the better.
I was thinking more about the enemy faction among the political leadership, the ones who give the orders, than about the usual predators. For instance, my local RINO congressman and the state's two far left whacko RAT senators, the leadership of the county RAT apparatus, the RINO county sheriff, etc.
Then there is the moral problem of when preemptive self defense becomes murder. Is taking them out morally justifiable, and are their families EVER legitimate targets? (No, never!) I know, their side would not show such restraint, but I am not them.
I'm certain you could.
It would be much more accurate to expand this into a world war against all of political correctness.
There has been much talk over the growing divide between the so-called Red States and Blue States. It’s amazing that it’s being spoken of, albeit informally and often in jest, but but perhaps we should research into whether there is a legal way to expel states from the union. Let them form their own socialist nation-states if they want.
“Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?”
Do we want to?
“Its amazing that its being spoken of, albeit informally and often in jest...”
You know I don’t joke when I discuss it.
A lot more of our ancestors believed that than contemporary Americans. Unfortunately.
Remember in the 60s when members of the left would say "Better Red than dead"?
I wasn't even born. My future dad was too young to vote. But I'll take your word for it! :o)
THe lights going out would be the key to trigger something massive. Most citizens have not a single clue there is even anything wrong. The govt isnt stupid enough to overtly start something i.e. try and squash the 2nd Amendment. That would start violence almost overnight. They will keep using the economic hardships to push people to the breaking point. Once people cant sit home and watch their cable tv they will get restless and when the welfare checks stop then the looting and rioting will begin. People are still too comfortable to do anything other than bitch.
They will all no doubt be safely ensconced in undisclosed locations with 24/7 well armed protection.
The media useful idiots will be the first to go, Ill bet.
I certainly hope so. They are the enemy.
Don't forget the innocent kids and grandmothers shot by the SWAT team in the course of executing a legally-sanctioned home invasion.
Off the top of my head I can think of at least one of each.
And the media will spin it as the racist hoarders massacring the hungry.
Who cares how they spin it?
True, but most who mention it aren’t serious. It’s largely because few can imagine it really happening, even they know that parts of the populace don’t believe in what this country was established for. Among those who give it serious thought, few know of how it can be legally done.
Can states be expelled from the U.S.A. or succeed from it legally? I truly don’t know.
Maybe a bit simplistic, but: Have the POTUS issue an EO that ‘x’ states are removed/expelled from the USA/Union.
It would take some serious coordination beforehand (currency, military installations, federal land/buildings, etc., etc., etc.), but why not?
I suppose another way would be to have a Constitutional Convention, but the chances of having it and accomplishing the goal of ejecting the “Blues” would be pretty close to nil, especially in an expedited manner.
Or have the “Red” states secede. I know it's been tried before, unsuccessfully, but maybe the second time’s the charm? Interesting that after 150 years, the “battle lines” are still pretty much the same.
The minimum needed to avoid some such major breakdown would be what I call a Voters' Bill of Rights:
Chris Plant on WMAL recently asked how the immigration problem could be fixed.
As in the case of the "War on Drugs(TM)", the only real solution is to take the profit out of it and in this case the profit is measured in votes.
We need a law and possibly a constitutional amendment requiring a person to be a US citizen for 18 years before they ever vote in a US election. That would not be difficult to justify; I had to be a US citizen for eighteen years before I ever voted in a US election and I don't see any immigrant group which appears better or more deserving of rights than I am.
This should be part and parcel of a Voters Bill of Rights which we desperately need. To me at least such a bill would look more or less as follows:
The first item of such a bill HAS TO BE runoff elections or instant runoff elections for all public offices. Nobody should ever fear to vote his first choice, at least on a first ballot, and nobody should ever hold any public office with less than 50% of the vote.
There should also be a None-Of-Above choice on all ballots for public office and if that choice ever wins, then the other candidates should be barred for life from holding any public office and the parties sponsoring them should be barred for at least ten years from sponsoring candidates for that particular office. The penalty for running dead wood for public offices should be severe.
Another item on such a voters' bill of rights should be something which would eliminate voting fraud for all time and if that means getting rid of the secret ballot or at least limiting it somehow or other, so be it, we're paying too high a price for it. Or it could mean that when an election is within one percentage point, send both people to congress with half of a vote each. You could expect them to split their vote on ideological issues but vote identically on issues which affect their own district.
There should be a provision that when a president is impeached and removed, his VP goes out the door with him and the office is either vacant until the next election or an emergency election is held to fill the office for the remainder of the current term. Granted removing a president should be difficult but it should not be impossible and if we couldn't remove Slick, we'd not have been able to remove Hitler or Nero either.
What happened in 98/99 was that Trent Lott simply refused to hand the presidency over to Algor with a year to go on Slick's second term, for obvious reasons. The situation should not be possible.
A person should need to be a US citizen for 18 years before voting in a US election. It should not be possible for a rogue political party to rule our land by simply importing large voting blocks for itself.
There should also be some mechanism to prevent utterly unqualified people from holding high offices. Certainly a candidate for president or vice president, or for US Senator or member of the House of Representatives should need to obtain the same basic and simple secret level security clearance which anybody would need to be a guard at the gate of any military base in our land. That isn't asking for much but it would have spared us from the last two democrat presidents.
There are a few other things you'd want but that's the main gist of it. There is also a question as to the extent the people should be voting on issues directly since we now have the technology to allow that while the founding fathers did not. You could get some of these evil social issues settled once and for all and out of politics, and you could limit the scope for corruption and bribery by letting the people themselves settle at least some kinds of issues.
The three issues cited are the illegal alien invasion, abortion, and the Second Amendment. Thanks marktwain.
We’d have to build a big wall to keep them out. After a short time, it would be like North and South Korea.
OMG!!! I love that analogy! They’d sh*t themselves silly.
100% true unkus.
One thing I’d do is have the “New/Red/Constitutional” America reclaim the Panama Canal.
Theyd sh*t themselves silly.
They sure would.
And sell it, just like they do in North Korea.
Why prevent it? I actually pray for the CW2 to happen.
A Russian analyst named Igor Panarin has predicted that the U.S. would split into four or five nations in the near future. It got press coverage back in 2008 or 2009.