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Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?
JPFO ^ | 2011 | Kirby Ferris

Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain

There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:

* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.

* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.

* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"

No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?

Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?

As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?

I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.

However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”

On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.

I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.

The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.

Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.

What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.

Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.

We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.

Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!

Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.

We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.

Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloat; civilwar; constitution; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; donttreadonme; govtabuse; gun; illegal; insurrection; prepping; stockpilesong; taxes; tyranny
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To: marktwain

and if you are waiting for the first shot you haven’t been paying attention.

81 posted on 04/29/2011 10:37:48 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: paratrooper82
“brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.” An illegal alien is no brother of mine?

“brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.” An illegal alien A hostile enemy invader is no brother of mine.


82 posted on 04/29/2011 10:42:13 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Yet_Again
" If a union mob that may be armed and violent shows up on your front lawn and is chanting, carrying signs, do you hide in your home?"
No.... I strap on the .44, go outside, and turn on my sprinkler...then sit on my front porch, with a cold one, and watch and wait.....
83 posted on 04/29/2011 10:44:30 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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84 posted on 04/29/2011 10:47:37 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: traditional1
The Second Civil War will really be more like the First Revolutionary War.

More akin to the Finnish Civil War of 1918, I believe. See causes, events and outcome, in particular.

85 posted on 04/29/2011 10:48:09 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain

It’s not brother against brother!....

It’s Americans against far left whack jobs! These bastards are destroying America! They left the reservation a long time ago! They can go ahead and die with there damn ideology. They are to far gone to even negotiate with.....

86 posted on 04/29/2011 10:55:07 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: JimRed
The problem with this type of thinking is that despite a lot of blustery talk, who would know who to shoot?

Also, do we start from the top down, or from the bottom up?

Ask the experts, veterans of previous wars.

One of the oft-repeated sayings around Memphis whenever massive gang fights or *urban disorder* would raise its ugly head, was that there was one advantage to having a race war: you don't have to choose sides; your face has already done that for you.

87 posted on 04/29/2011 10:56:39 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain
I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

The problem is that everybody will have a slightly different "line in the sand". If infringement happens slowly enough, then only a tiny number of people will consider any particular item as their trigger, and they will get picked off in isolation.

88 posted on 04/29/2011 10:56:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: justice14

The far left has taken over the democratic party and wants to punish America for its greatness. I’ll be damned If I’m going back to Mud huts and bicycles for the sake of the third world! I don’t feel guilty for America’s greatness and I don’t need to apologize to any tin pot dictator in the f’ing U.N. for my country, damn it!.....

89 posted on 04/29/2011 10:59:49 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: circlecity

“I think Federal intrusion into our personal lives is a 4th issue which could trigger things. People are pretty fed up with being told what they can eat, where they can go, what they can say, what they can wear, what they must believe, etc. etc.”

Bingo! I was wondering when somebody would pick door number four. IMO this is a much more likely trigger and is already a catalyst for the numerous states that are starting nullification moves agains’t the Federal Government overeach.

Personally I do not see a Civil War where the average citizen is out in the street with an assault weapon fighting the US military. More likely you will see the states standing up to the Feds and saying “enough”. They are beginning to take back their sovereignty and I forsee this snowballing as the next couple of years roll by. When the economic collapse comes and make no mistake its coming soon then the states will go their own way and ignore the Federal Government. At that point we may see the restoration of the Constitutional Republic. I am counting on it.

90 posted on 04/29/2011 11:02:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

People will be moving to states that stand up to the federal government.....they will elect strong willed people to tell the feds to go “F” themselves!

91 posted on 04/29/2011 11:06:36 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: marktwain

I believe many US citizens would not feel so desperate to protect their gun rights if the government, and I specifically mean legislators and the Department of Justice had not failed to have strong prosecution and punishment against criminals. With the revolving door justice system creating more victims, people are done asking for the protections they are due and are going to do it themselves.

Further fears are of the Federal Governments willing participation in the handover of our nation to illegal INVADERS and allowing Muslim militant enclaves to grow. They failed to protect our soveriegnty and way of life so now the American people feel the need to arm themselves like no other nation or society in modern history. Our citizens should not feel they have to do the duty that our soldiers and law enforcement swore to do. But political correctness and multicultural BS prevents that from happening and now citizens are having serious discussions about a Second Civil War, a war that no one truly wants, but some, like myself, are convinced and resigned that it will happen.

The failed War on Drugs has led many police departments to adopt a more military approach to attempting to stop the drug trade, organization, and crime associated with it. This had led to more Swat raids that are not stopping the drug trade, and when mistakes are made, sometimes innocent people are paying the price. This is frightening and angering the US citizens and are turning them against the police. This needs to end. NOW. Swat raids should be a rarity, and only for violent individuals that cannot be taken into custody in other less intrusive and tumultous manner.

Folks, I would rather explain to a thousand grieving family members that their loved one died of a self induced overdose, than try to justify one botched raid where a man died defending his home. Or another police funeral for an officer who died trying to fight this unwinnable war on drugs. Or a innocent kid or grandmother shot in a driveby done by gangmembers who are financed by the war on drugs.

I’m sure many of you have heard of Oathkeepers, made up of former and active military and law enforcement. I agree with their mission statement and personally will seize no weapons from a citizen unless that weapon has been used in a specific crime and is needed for evidentiary purposes in a criminal trial.

But no sooner did that organization come to life, then those in bed with big goverment, namely the SPLC/ADL, deemed the Oathkeepers a hate/anti-goverment organization. This was done plainly to keep the “troops” in control by stating if you are a member of this organization, you are potentially a terrorist and that’s the kiss of death for anyone working in government. You cannot work for goverment if you are part of a subversive organization, and that is what SPLC/ADL made Oathkeepers out to be, to keep their ranks from swelling and really influencing policy.

This is particularly insidious because if you are like me, and say the whole goverment panic displayed during Katrina, in which officers and soldiers seized firearms, was a bad policy. It’s a better policy to work with the citizens and develop some no go areas, curfews, contingency plans and even deputization of armed citizens, rather blanket confiscation. That scares the piss out of people and that turns to anger, and it does not simply need to be.

FWIW, and given this is the internet, none of the officers I work with or know have ANY desire to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens during any disasters or social unrest, nor we will abide by any federal orders to do so. (How could I look my family, friends, and neighbors in the eye and tell them they have to turn their weapons, knowing that I, as a LEO, simply cannot protect them. Sorry that dog don’t hunt and I will have nothing to do with it.) The Fed controls money through grants but can’t force state and local LE to do anything we don’t truly want to do. They don’t have the manpower. I know a lot of feds that have are gun enthusiasts and fervent supporters of the 2A and have no designs on citizens firearms AND believe that Waco and Ruby Ridge were f’ed up from the ground up.

Keep pushing to keep the libs off our guns, and for government accountability. Some of us have not lost sight of our responsibilities and duties. We are just constrained by political ideologies that hurt our nation.

92 posted on 04/29/2011 11:06:38 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Melas
"that’s obviously not the answer even if soccer were truly a fair test of liberalism"

But such generalizations obviously are the answer. The problem you pose needs to be answered and fair or not lines will be drawn. That's one of the reasons war is bad.

93 posted on 04/29/2011 11:08:58 AM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

““Can we prevent a second civil war?”

First question: why would you want to?”

Our enemies within & without are watching and waiting for an opening. It would be best if we could work out our problems through debate and at the ballot box. In any case, I agree - better to “live free or die”.

94 posted on 04/29/2011 11:13:15 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: marktwain

“Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?”

I hope not.

Bring it on.

95 posted on 04/29/2011 11:15:34 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: marktwain

Quietly preparing!

96 posted on 04/29/2011 11:17:08 AM PDT by Ron H. (Only Republicans can turn "snatching victory from the jaws of defeat" into an elevated art form!)
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To: Yet_Again
Do that, and you will die. Along with your family, pets, and anyone near by.

Notice how the police quietly took the side of the Wisconsin protesters. And then notice who has the big guns.

Don't count on the US military, they will follow orders. Hoping for support from officers is dangerous, as the guy saying the koran should be protected showed.

If the balloon goes up, the result will be closer to the Finnish Civil War than the American.

97 posted on 04/29/2011 11:19:37 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Agreed. I’m not arguing against why you feel that way. I’m saying, no civil war is going to happen anytime soon. JMO

98 posted on 04/29/2011 11:22:19 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Yet_Again

Why give them five minutes? Five minutes is a hell of a long time, and more than enough time for them to bring in reinforcements.

They can vacate your property in thirty seconds. Hell, if they are directly threatening you, why give them any time at all?

99 posted on 04/29/2011 11:23:11 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: skeeter
Really? How about one brother increasingly appropriating the fruits of the other brother's labors?

My thoughts exactly. When the checks quit printing, the looters will move out into the suburbs and rural lands looking to take what they want. The battle lines may be every beltway highway in America.

100 posted on 04/29/2011 11:24:05 AM PDT by IamConservative (Political power; the most evil thing devised by man. It corrupts morals and judgment.)
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