Skip to comments.Elian Gonzalez: When Eric Holder Earned His Spurs
Posted on 04/29/2011 9:41:04 AM PDT by jazusamo
The New Black Panther Party threatened Philadelphia voters with billy clubs and Eric Holders justice department couldnt be bothered. CAIR was accused of fundraising for Hamas, and Eric Holder shrugged.
But back when Fidel Castro demanded the return of an escaped slave, Eric Holder snapped to attention, clicked his heels, and sprung to action. It is scrupulous legality, were given to understand by Mr. Holder, that prevents his Department from prosecutions against the New Black Panthers and CAIR.
But regarding scrupulous legality, Fox News Andrew Napolitano had (then Deputy) Attorney General Eric Holders number way back in April 23rd , 2000. Here it is thanks to The Media Research Center:
Napolitano: Tell me, Mr. Holder, why did you not get a court order authorizing you to go in and get the boy (Elian Gonzalez)?
Holder: Because we didnt need a court order. INS can do this on its own.
Napolitano: You know that a court order would have given you the cloak of respectability to have seized the boy.
Holder: We didnt need an order.
Napolitano: Then why did you ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals for such an order if you didnt need one?
Napolitano: The fact is, for the first time in history you have taken a child from his residence at gunpoint to enforce your custody position, even though you did not have an order authorizing it. When is the last time a boy, a child, was taken at the point of a gun without an order of a judge Unprecedented in American history.
Holder: He was not taken at the point of a gun.
Napolitano: We have a photograph showing he was taken at the point of a gun.
Holder: They were armed agents who went in there who acted very sensitively
Thanks to the ritual MSM-Castroite collusion most people forget (or missed) the crucial legal and ethical details of this circus/tragedy which were mostly established during the first week after Elians rescue at sea, after his heroic mothers drowning. The son-belongs-with-his-father crowd, for instance, missed (with the help of the MSM-Democratic complex) that Elians father was initially delighted that his motherless son was in the U.S. and in the loving arms of his uncles and cousins.
The evidence frantically buried by the MSM-Democratic complex) was overwhelming. Mauricio Vincent, a reporter for Madrid newspaper El Pais, wrote that during that first week hed visited Elians home town of Cardenas and talked with Elians father, Juan Miguel, along with other family members and friends. All confirmed that Juan Miguel had always longed for his son Elian to flee to the United States. Shortly after Elians rescue, his father had even applied for a U.S. visa!
Elians Miami uncle, Lazaro, explained it repeatedly and best: I always said I would turn over Elian to his father, when Juan Miguel would come here and claim him. But I (along with practically everyone with experience under communism from Cambodians to Hungarians and from Lithuanians to Cubans) knew such a thing was impossible. He couldnt do that. I knew it wasnt Juan Miguel requesting Elianit was Fidel.
The legal-weasels forgot (or missed) that on Dec, 1st 1999 the INS asserted that Miami-based uncle Lazaro was indeed Elians legal custodian and Floridas family court indeed the place to arbitrate further issues.
Then on Dec 5th, 1999, Castro clapped his hands and his MSM minions snapped to attention. Within weeks Clintons INS had turned its initial decision on its head. Within months this same INS was kicking down Lazaros door, pummeling camera men and elderly ladies to the ground with jackboots and wrenching a screaming Elian from his legal custodians in a blaze of pepper gas and machine guns. When asked for the legal authority for this, they brandished either a search warrant to seize evidence that didnt exist (and would not have been hidden anyway) or an arrest warrant to seize someone who no one claimed was a criminal or even a lawbreaker.
They never made it clear just what kind of warrant it was. And neither would it have been legal, patiently explained Alan Dershowitz (no less)
So why did Elians father change his tune?
Remember Godfather II? Remember the Senate hearings where Frankie Pentangeli, under FBI protection, was prepared to testify against Michael Corleone? The stage was set. Looked like a done-deal for the Feds. Then Frankie looks up and sees his bewildered brother Vincenzo from Sicily, sitting next to Mikey.
Whoops! Frankie sure changed his tune, didnt he?
Think of Juan Miguel as Frankie Pentangeli. The gun Fidel Castro held to Juan Miguels head was as invisible (to those without experience with Communism) as the one Mikey held to Pentangelis head was to most spectators at those hearings.
Recently Uncle Lazaro Gonzalez, who suffered ten years in Castros dungeons and torture-chambers provided an update: The Castro regime wont allow us to contact the boy and the entire family is forbidden to speak to us. Every time they detect a call from us in Miami, the line drops. Id love to go and see Elián, talk to him. But theyll never let us.
I think that Elian belonged with his father.
By the Cuban Constitution that was Castro. You are such a commie.
#2) Holder and his ilk will never comply with a constitution which in it's main purpose is to restrict the rights of the government over the liberties of the people.
Napolitano: We have a photograph showing he was taken at the point of a gun.
Monty Python did this with Dinsdale 40 years ago.
"I hear he nailed your head to the floor?"
"No! Never! Dinsy never did that!"
"The police have film of Dinsdale nailing your head to the floor."
"Oh. Yeah. He did that. I mean, he had to, didn't he?"
The DEMS — Helping COMMUNISTS since 1960s...
Did you read the article? Humberto Fontova doesn’t lie.
Dems have welcome signs for illegals crossing from Mexico - 'let 'em in, make em' citizens', but when it came to one child from Cuba - a child who's mother died getting him here - dems go ballistic... And the press with them...
Humberto is great, but I believe that Elian belonged with his father.
Absolutely correct. Holder and his ilk with a Marxist like Obama in charge is the very worst possible thing for the country.
Well said. The whole thing was a travesty.
He most certainly did not belong with his father.
...if Castro had issued permission for his father to leave Cuba, then everyone wanted Elian to be with his father.
Still disgusted by the whole deal. Reno and Holder can go to hell.
Surprisingly (to me), that is what the majority of Freepers thought, at the time, at least the ones who posted. I found it strange that they did not understand that the father was nothing more than a pawn used by Castro to force the U.S. to say "uncle" in front of the world. Clinton pretended to offer for the father to move to the U.S., but it was rejected and, of course, not pursued (because Clinton didn't really want to).
What is it with liberals and their inability to play world chess?
Elian’s father agreed and encouraged Elian’s mother to take him to the States. She drowned on the way over.
He was having a very happy childhood with his relatives in the U.S. The adults (uncle, aunts, etc.) couldn’t get enough of him. They loved him very much. He was the king of the house. They even got him a puppy.
Under what rock have you been living under?
The problem is, on one extreme, there is a body of thought that believes the biological parent has absolute custodial authority of a child.
This is often a “counterbalance” to various DHS, DYS or DFS bureaucracies that take children from parents inappropriately. It even goes as far as either tacitly or openly advocating custody with parents who have been repeatedly abusive or neglectful. (Not saying that is the case here)
On the other extreme are the people who hate the institutions of family and parenting, and think “parents are bad for children” (which, as we all know, is occasionally true)
As for this boy, he fell on that gray scale between the two extremes. In my opinion, I don’t think they should have sent him back, his father sounded to me like a lazy deadbeat no-load, who didn’t really care, but only got vocal after the Cuban state became involved.
The young boy unwittingly became a pawn in a nasty situation. Unfortunate for him.
“Under what rock have you been living under?”
Sorry for the sentence structure.
I should have said: *##$%^$#Q@!!!
Do you remember the flaming those of us who expressed that his father had the right to raise his child here on FR? I still have burn marks!
Yeah, well that “father” turned out to be Fidel Castro.
Does Elian live with his natural father today?
No - Elian,16yrs old, lives with his paternal grandmother in Cardenas, Cuba.
Elian’s father lives a nice life having been appointed a member of the Cuban parliament.
“Donato Dalrymple: The fisherman who found the boy at sea now has a daughter of his own. He lives in Fort Lauderdale and keeps an oil painting of Elian surrounded by dolphins on his wall, according to The Miami Herald.”
More info on all the players in the reprehensible Gonzalez saga is well-stated here:
Some great current pictures of Elian here as well as of his present condition - having to salute his Communist captors on his birthday.
My Freeper screen name ‘A’elian Nation’ is my tribute to Elian as well as my scorn for one of the most sordid days in American history. I still am revulsed and ashamed of how this nation deprived him of freedom.
I also came to American when I was a boy of 6 - all by myself. I have been blessed by this country as Elian never was.
I believe you stated it well.
The case did fall in the gray zone for me. What made the difference for me were two things, the communist political factor with Castro and the family here that desperately wanted to raise him in a free country.
Yeah, in America.
Good, because you’re still wrong.
This one event caused me to stop watching or listening to all news for several years. I have never gone back to watching any news, and before this I watched several hours a day. I am still filled with anger and disgust over it.
Thank you for your added information.
Creg Craig is a mango tree lawyer.
Creg Craig = Greg Craig.
I’m sorry for the typo. I am just too upset reliving this again.
“I also came to American when I was a boy of 6 - all by myself. I have been blessed by this country as Elian never was.”
You have to be a wonderful, wonderful person.
In August 2009 I was in an elevator in a hotel in Chicago. The ABA (semi?)annual meeting was in the same hotel with Eric Holder as the keynote speaker. As the elevator traveled downward, it stopped on one of the intermediate floors. Holder stepped on with a couple of security suits. I excused myself, got off early, and mumbled “How is Elian doing Mr. Holder?” His jaw dropped and he started to say something as the doors closed.
Holder is a real piece of work. In the words of a federal judge I know about unsavory lawyers: “If there is a place in Hell that is hotter than the rest, I wish it were within my power to condemn you to that place!”
I knew a woman who came over in the early sixties from Cuba, but was a bit older, around 10. She cannot hear the name “Castro” without nearly spitting in anger.
I could not countenance sending him back there, myself.
Thank you for sharing.
Elian’s father wanted him, and that’s where he belonged.
No one knew whether he’d always live with his real father in Cuba forever, but his father wanted him.
He was not taken at the point of a gun.
These aren’t the droids you’re looking for [hand wave]
In wonder, had he seen the picture at this point, and as such talking out of his a**, or was he just plain lying?
“As for this boy, he fell on that gray scale between the two extremes”
You’re using the wrong scale. Try applying the totalitarian communist dictatorship test for the land to which we were sending him back. No gray area there.
“Elians father wanted him, and thats where he belonged.”
Elian’s father’s evil overlord wanted him, too.
Castro was his father, the State trumps all father’s rights in Cuber.
I don't know. If he'd seen the pic he was flat out lying and if he hadn't he was still lying because the agents that entered were not acting very sensitively.
He stated a supposed fact that wasn't true, of course I'd bet that wasn't the first time and I know it wasn't the last time he hasn't been truthful.
He and his boss are two of a kind.
“I found it strange that they did not understand that the father was nothing more than a pawn used by Castro to force the U.S. to say ‘uncle’ in front of the world. Clinton pretended to offer for the father to move to the U.S., but it was rejected and, of course, not pursued (because Clinton didn’t really want to).’”
Yeah. I remember at the time wondering why, aside from the polarization, this was such a big story. What about all the other kids in Elian’s position? Surely there was some precedence.
The answer, of course, was that it was a story because Castro and Castro-sympathizers made it a story. It was the last meaningful throwback to the old Cold War PR fights (considering our deference to China). We lost.
So I guess Elian's mom disagreed with you. She must have had her reason(s). But we will never know.
How is Elian, politics4us. Do you happen to know how he is doing?
Holder never won his spurs for anything. He rode the pony at the fair once, but that was after-hours and cost him $200.
I agree that I was using that scale, but intentionally so, because that is the scale used by most people in favor of sending him back.
I agree with you. Even using “Their” scale, that would be the equivalent of sending him back to abusive parents.
I could assume you are a Clinton-Reno tool, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt of being sadly misinformed.
I followed the Elian story as closely as anyone could.
I know of the phone calls from the father to Uncle Lazaro in Miami in which he expressed his desire for Elian to live in the U.S.
It was only after Castro got involved that the father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez ( a member of the Cuban communist party) started to accuse the Miami relatives of kidnapping and even child abuse.
Outrageous charges - if one looks at how happy Elian was in Miami with his relatives.
I don’t fault the father. I know he was in an impossible coerced position, but to insist that the father wanted him returned to Cuba is an outright falsehood. Too many Freepers fell for that media and government line.
Or maybe you got sucked in by the Dan Rather 60Minutes interview with the father choking back tears. Well, it wasn’t the father on TV crying. That was the translator.
FYI: Elian’s mother and father were divorced.
Obviously, the mother didn’t want Elian to live with the father - else why try to escape? Sadly, she perished in her dream of freedom for Elian and herself.
You might also be interested in the Walter Polovchak case in which a 14 year old boy was granted religious asylyum by the Carter/Reagan administrations preventing his deportation to Russia in 1980. George Will called him ‘the littlest defector.” His case bounced around in the courts for 4 years until he attained the age of 18, and his Russian parents no longer could contest his choice of remaining in America.
“What about all the other kids in Elians position? Surely there was some precedence.”
There was precedence.
The Walter Polovchak case in 1980.
He wrote a book called “Freedom’s Child.”
“Polovchak’s Ukrainian parents, Anna and Michael, found themselves in a drawn-out court battle, fighting to take their son back to his homeland. Young Walter, at 4 feet and 82 pounds, said he would sooner die than return.”
The ACLU took the side of the parents - naturally.
His case dragged on in courts for six years (much thanks to the Reagan administration) at which point he turned 18yrs of age and could decide for himself.
As must you be, Gatun.
I can hear and feel the pain still in your heart.
It was and still remains so sad and needless.
Never have the corruption and coarseness of the governments involved been more exposed to the core.
Sacrificing an innocent boy who survived such a horrendous crossing for their ill gains.
A Ronald Reagan would have kept this case in the court systems until the boy was free, as he did with the boy, Walter Polovchak.
The only solace I have is that one day Cuba will be free, and Elian, having suffered hardships, will be the stronger for it. I cannot believe he has truly been indoctrinated.
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