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TRUMP BOMBSHELL: The REAL Reason He Avoided Vietnam
Business Insider ^ | 04/29/2011 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 04/29/2011 11:22:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

And this might be why he never runs... not the F-bombs... it sounds like Trump has the quintessential rich politician problem: Vietnam.

According to a new document unearthed by The Smoking Gun: Donald Trump received 4 student deferments, and one medical deferment, which is in contradiction to a previous quote explaining his draft status: “I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I’ll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.”

Technically, that doesn't have to be a lie. Eventually Trump got a high draft number, but it appears that it's definitely not the only way he avoided the war.

Again, that Vietnam service has been an issue for many candidates is known to everyone, and for someone who was born wealthy -- and going to Wharton at the time -- the deferrals look worse.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: donaldtrump; potus; vietnam
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1 posted on 04/29/2011 11:22:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That is obviously a forged document and you are working for team Obama to destroy Donald Trump./sarcasm


2 posted on 04/29/2011 11:25:20 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: SeekAndFind

Nobody but conservatives give a diddly-damn about prior military service, especially not the enemedia. It isn’t a bombshell. It isn’t even a lady finger under a tin can.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 11:26:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump and Romney. Both are cowardly draft-dodgers.


4 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Business Insider is an odd name for a left wing web site.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: SeekAndFind

Boy! He hasn’t even announced yet, and he’s being shot down! The Progressives must really be afraid of this man!


6 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:13 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: SeekAndFind

so now Obama and his goons attack.

If this is their best shot Trump is going to be just fine.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

I read that Trump had a high draft number. Good catch.

Trump and Romney have even more in common now. Rich draft dodging punks.


8 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:26 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SeekAndFind

If you’re going to push liberals, realize they fight back, usually fighting dirty.

Funny, Trump’s, (a private citizen), draft records appear, but BHO’s birth certificate was like pulling teeth from a chicken, and his college transcripts are still MIA.


9 posted on 04/29/2011 11:27:37 AM PDT by brownsfan (I miss the America I grew up in.)
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To: SeekAndFind

OH, please!

Most Republicans in civilian government avoided military service - Dick Cheney, is one that comes to mind.

Even Rush Limbaugh didn’t sign up.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 11:28:17 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m just a typical American boy
From a typical American town
I believe in God and Senator Dodd
And an keepin’ old Castro down

And when it came my time to serve
I knew better dead than red
But when I got to my old draft board
Buddy, this is what I said

Sarge, I’m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat
My asthma’s getting worse

Consider my career, my sweetheart dear
My poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain’t no fool, and I’m goin’ to school
And I’m workin’ in a defense plant

I’ve got a dislocated disc and a racked up back
I’m allergic to flowers and bugs
And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits
And I’m addicted to a thousand drugs

I got the weakness woes, I can’t touch my toes
I can hardly reach my knees
And if the enemy ever came close to me
Well, I’d probably start to sneeze

Sarge, I’m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat
My asthma’s getting worse

Consider my career, my sweetheart dear
My poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain’t no fool, I’m a goin’ to school
And I’m workin’ in a defense plant

I hate Chou En Lai, and I hope he dies
But I think you gotta see
That if someone’s gotta go over there
That someone isn’t me

So, have a ball, Sarge, watch ‘em fall
Yeah, kill me a thousand or so
And if you ever get a war without any gore
Well, I’ll be the first to go

Sarge, I’m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat
My asthma’s getting worse

Consider my career, my sweetheart dear
I got to water my rubber tree plant
Besides, I ain’t no fool, I’m a goin’ to school
And I’m workin’ in a defense plant

Sarge, I’m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat
My asthma’s getting worse

Consider my career, my sweetheart dear
My poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain’t no fool, I’m a goin’ to school
And I’m workin’ in a defense plant


11 posted on 04/29/2011 11:28:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: SeekAndFind

It has LAYERS!!


12 posted on 04/29/2011 11:28:43 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: SeekAndFind

Tancredo avoided the draft and was employed by public schools.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 11:29:08 AM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: longtermmemmory
obama is playing a dangerous game right now i think. he has more to lose than anyone and i am sure curiosity seekers will eventually get their hands on something that will take the bloom off the rose colored glasses for enough voters. then again, i could be wrong. i’m ok with this kind of stuff coming out though. we need to know who we are dealing with in transparent terms.
14 posted on 04/29/2011 11:29:52 AM PDT by sappy
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To: brownsfan
This is going to get interesting and some clerks in administrative offices for the federal government are going to have a good view under the bus.

The process however will be farcical.

15 posted on 04/29/2011 11:31:23 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Paperdoll

You just knew it was coming didn’t you?


16 posted on 04/29/2011 11:31:25 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: SeekAndFind
How is it that just about EVERYONE's personal documents are accessible and/or leaked by someone, EXCEPT, Barack Hussein Obama's?

I've always wondered how it is that with all of his DOZENS of medical, school, passport, birth, Social Security, etc., records there has not been ONE person who was willing to release even ONE of any of those?

As a Nam Vet, this does not sit well with me, BUT, I only wish the Smoking Gun and everyone else "gunning" for Trump would work as dilligently to unearth Dear Leaders well-hidden paper trail.

17 posted on 04/29/2011 11:31:41 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: SatinDoll

“Most Republicans in civilian government avoided military service - Dick Cheney, is one that comes to mind.”

“Even Rush Limbaugh didn’t sign up.”

Never thought I would meet a conservative who would condone dodging the Vietnam draft.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 11:32:41 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the exact document that John Kerry has never released, and his failure to release it is why he lost the 2004 election.

At least Donald had the honesty to release his.

19 posted on 04/29/2011 11:34:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are obviously too young to remember Vietnam and the draft situation. Student deferrals were very acceptable and common. Everyone went to college if they could get in and stayed there as long as the war continued. They either stayed in school or became a teacher.

I actually think that the Vietnam draft contributed to the practice of graduate student assistants teaching classes in colleges and increase in government funded research by graduate students.


20 posted on 04/29/2011 11:34:49 AM PDT by Eva
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To: SeekAndFind

At the bottom right it says “DISQ”. I’m not a veteran but to me that appears there may have been a physical reason for disqualification.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 11:34:54 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: longtermmemmory

Man there is all kinsa od patriots in this country they just don’t want to put on a uniform and put their money where their mpoutyh is.


22 posted on 04/29/2011 11:36:00 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: trumandogz

One could say that dodging the draft was just another way of voting against LBJ.


23 posted on 04/29/2011 11:36:43 AM PDT by Theodore R. (John Boehner just surrendered the only weapon with which he had to fight. What does OH see in him?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does the phrase “draft dodger” have any meaning to people under the age of 55? I seriously doubt it. The youngest people who would have been drafted cannot have been born after 1955. Today’s professional military don’t care one bit about the concept.

Ronald Reagan opposed the draft as it meant that citizens were fundamentally considered property of the state. As one of the younger generation it just seems to me that “draft dodger” is a term applied in bitterness towards people who for whatever reason were able to avoid the draft. Do people here fundamentally believe that the government has the right to all males of fighting age? I sure as hell don’t.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 11:36:43 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: SeekAndFind

that’s it, he’s out.


25 posted on 04/29/2011 11:37:32 AM PDT by Sophia777
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To: SeekAndFind
Did he claim to be running secret missions in Cambodia or something like John Kerry? Get a purple heart for self inflicted wounds?

Did he go on MTV and brag about trying marijuana while going to school to avoid the draft like Clinton?

Did he have his pappy undo influence to be accepted into the National Guard like the Fake but accurate msm tried to say Bush did?

Did he do anything illegal?

If all he did was legally avoid the draft because he was a student, then that was just a smart decision and it's not really a problem for him.

26 posted on 04/29/2011 11:37:52 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Does anyone care about this anymore? McLame was a war hero and he was the biggest POS the GOP ever nominated. Kerry served as well and he was a Brahmin loser. I think after Bush II, this became an irrelevant argument.


27 posted on 04/29/2011 11:38:15 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Eva

this is a very enlightening post. i appreciate learning things like this from the many smart freepers.

thank you!


28 posted on 04/29/2011 11:38:18 AM PDT by sappy
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To: DryFly

LOL! Post of the day.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 11:38:21 AM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: trumandogz

I served in the U.S.Navy, 1980-1986, as a crypto-linguist with a TSC, and am a traditional Conservative (Goldwater-type).

Firmly, I believe active duty military service ought to be one of the eligibility requirements to serve in the Congress and the Presidency (V.P., too!.) If not enshrined in the Constitution, then unwritten and customary.


30 posted on 04/29/2011 11:38:25 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: flintsilver7

if trump runs and the best they can do is call him a draft dodger he gets the win..


31 posted on 04/29/2011 11:38:37 AM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: flintsilver7
"Does the phrase “draft dodger” have any meaning to people under the age of 55?"

To me, "draft dodger" is someone who fled the country or avoided the draft through an illegal or fraudulent means. It doesn't apply to someone who took advantage of school deferments, that were available to anyone willing to go to school.

32 posted on 04/29/2011 11:40:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Not sure there’s anything there. Trump was born June 14, 1946 and the 12/2/1969 draft lottery number for that date was 356. Can’t get much higher.

Page down a page or two.

http://www.landscaper.net/draft.htm


33 posted on 04/29/2011 11:41:28 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DannyTN

...and here we go again. When it is a REPUB running, we know everything about their past. BUT WE KNOW NOTHING about Obama.


34 posted on 04/29/2011 11:41:50 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: sappy

Did you miss the fact that John Kerry couldn’t get into any graduate school and so enlisted in the Naval Reserves, only to be activated? That’s how the whole swift boat thing came about.


35 posted on 04/29/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: rokkitapps

Oh, they are just getting started.
However, Trump fights really dirty. Trump will have no problem going after the reporters themselves.


36 posted on 04/29/2011 11:44:53 AM PDT by kara37
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To: Theodore R.

“One could say that dodging the draft was just another way of voting against LBJ.”

Perhaps, but most people say that dodging the draft was just another way of telling the US Constitution and American Flag to F-Off and telling everyone that you are a coward.


37 posted on 04/29/2011 11:45:25 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: SeekAndFind

As much as I respect those who were there....I cant blame someone who sees that the war was fought to fight it and not to win it....especially when LBJ was president...

the previous generation, the so called ‘Greatest Generation’ fought a war to win it and WON IT....not to fight it for ten+ years with no endgame in sight...


38 posted on 04/29/2011 11:46:13 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing that might raise a question is the 10/15/1968 1Y classification which kept Trump from being drafted until the 12/21/1969 draft lottery.

1Y was a classification indicating some minor/moderate impediment to military service that would have been overlooked if a large scale war had taken place.


39 posted on 04/29/2011 11:46:42 AM PDT by Will88
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To: SeekAndFind
The idea of a draft is pretty much incomprehensible to the current generation of Americans. I was in the Army up until a few years ago, and I can't imagine what having draftees around would have been like. The Army today is a distinct, insular culture that is pretty much separate from others in your age group. Non-veterans just don't have a frame of reference for what service means.

If you played 'Restrepo' at your local high school, then told the kids that they'd be given lottery tickets, and whoever 'won' got sent to that, you'd see America pulled out of Afghanistan so fast you'd wonder if we were ever there.

Perhaps older Americans remember a time when that wasn't the case. I wouldn't know. I'm just saying that for today, I'm guessing this story won't have the legs it would have 10, 20 or 30 years ago.

40 posted on 04/29/2011 11:46:59 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Paperdoll

Leftists and Republican DC insiders.

They must really hate those that live ouside of DC


41 posted on 04/29/2011 11:47:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s an interesting document you got there. Shouldn’t be any problem to get Obama/Soetero’s should it? Just need his SS# no prob /sarc off


42 posted on 04/29/2011 11:49:51 AM PDT by eartotheground
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To: Paperdoll

“The Progressives must really be afraid of this man!”

Some of us conservatives are too. Trump is a mixed box of chocolates, you might pull out one with a caramel filling, but the next might have a rock inside.


43 posted on 04/29/2011 11:50:11 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: RockinRight

Maybe it could be something like this: ‘mouth too big’; brain too small’


44 posted on 04/29/2011 11:50:42 AM PDT by winnotwhine (It's easy to whine...I'd rather win)
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To: RockinRight

Maybe it could be something like this: ‘mouth too big’; brain too small’


45 posted on 04/29/2011 11:50:49 AM PDT by winnotwhine (It's easy to whine...I'd rather win)
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To: Will88

356? sweet.

fwiw, I was 317 ,, enlisted straight out of High School..got recruited for an A&W burger basket and root beer float. no big deal.

the ‘luck of the draw’ is just one way to escape one’s fate. if ‘Nam didn’t get him then, today’s mediaites&’researchers’ will .. ;-]

‘assassination’ of character is but one part of the game at hand..

buy popcorn futures


46 posted on 04/29/2011 11:51:07 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: All

I really don’t think the followers of the obama-Christ want to get into questioning service to country and or LOVE of one’s country.
In obama’s biography (ghost-written by a terrorist), obama claims to have been “drawn to the radicals”....
Now, who pray-tell, do you think these “radicals” were...?


47 posted on 04/29/2011 11:52:18 AM PDT by Maverick68
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Trump and Romney aren’t the candidates that I’ll vote for in the primary, but you people will vote for either of them against Obama. Don’t think we’ll definitely get a good candidate.


48 posted on 04/29/2011 11:53:50 AM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Eva

I just never put it all together, as you have just brought to my attention. :)


49 posted on 04/29/2011 11:54:15 AM PDT by sappy
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To: SeekAndFind

So what? I had a 2-s college student deferment until my 19th birthday in 1971. My lottery number came in at 330 and they were drafting up to 129. I went to the Selective Service board and dropped my 2-s deferment. Within 3 weeks I was reclassified 1-h and safe from being drafted. Am I proud of this? No, but it was the culture of the time where I was (University campus). I will always honor and respect those who served, however, you don’t have to go out and trash those who decided not to go and fight.


50 posted on 04/29/2011 11:54:38 AM PDT by tony549 (Stuck in SoCal)
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