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TRUMP BOMBSHELL: The REAL Reason He Avoided Vietnam
Business Insider ^ | 04/29/2011 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 04/29/2011 11:22:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: forgotten man
. I wonder how he got the 1Y status.

And the 2/1/72 reclassification to 4F is also odd. Of course it was irrelevant after he got #356 and the war was winding down. Some medical problem must have cropped up to get the 4F. Things like bad vision, bad knees, etc., could result in a 4F.

61 posted on 04/29/2011 12:03:10 PM PDT by Will88
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To: SeekAndFind

I am no Trump supporter... I would not vote for him... but he has more Military experience than many that bash him.

“Trump attended the The Kew-Forest School, Forest Hills, New York, as did some of his siblings. After he had some difficulties there when he was 13 years old, his parents sent him to the New York Military Academy (NYMA), hoping to direct his energy and assertiveness in a positive manner.[13] At NYMA, in upstate New York, Trump earned academic honors, and played varsity football in 1962, varsity soccer in 1963, and varsity baseball from 1962 to 1964 (baseball captain 1964). The baseball coach, Ted Dobias, a local celebrity for his work with area youth, awarded him the Coach’s Award in 1964. Promoted to Cadet Captain-S4 (Cadet Battalion Logistics Officer) in his senior year, Trump and Cadet First Sergeant Jeff Donaldson (NYMA class of 1965; West Point 1969) formed a composite company of cadets, taught them advanced close-order drill, and marched them all down Fifth Avenue on Memorial Day in 1964. Trump attended Fordham University for two years before transferring to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He graduated in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics and concentration in finance.”


62 posted on 04/29/2011 12:04:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The MSM is really trying to destroy Trump now. I’m actually starting to like him. I hope he stands up to this.

Everyone who went to college durring that period got a student deferment while they were in college. They became eligible for the draft after they graduated or dropped out. When the lottery went into effect the lottery number became the deciding factor. Trump went between 1-A(eligible) and 2-S(student deferment).

Trump didn’t “avoid” Viet Nam. He went to college.

This article is an obvious cheap shot. If Trump can stand up to this kind of stuff and give it right back to the MSM and the Washington elites then he is better than most Republicans.


63 posted on 04/29/2011 12:04:49 PM PDT by detective
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To: andy58-in-nh

Draft Dodger Rag. Phil Ochs hung himself in Elmhurst, Queens in 1976. Alcohol did him in.


64 posted on 04/29/2011 12:04:57 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: SeekAndFind


65 posted on 04/29/2011 12:04:57 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SeekAndFind

The first draftee ever to get 4-Fed for permanent bad-hurr day.


66 posted on 04/29/2011 12:05:11 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Again, I wouldn't vote for Trump, but I was a Vietnam-Era Veteran, however, I spent my time in Germany.

Had I been ordered to go to 'nam, I would have went there and would have done my best to have done my duty - BUT...if I could have found a legal and honest way to keep from going, I would have pursued it post haste.

These liberalites...most of whom didn't even go into the service at all...seem to take demonic glee in mocking others about this...how ironic...making fun of people who avoided combat in vietnam by people that couldn't even face BASIC TRAINING.
67 posted on 04/29/2011 12:05:26 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: Eva; DannyTN
I actually think that the Vietnam draft contributed to the practice of graduate student assistants teaching classes in colleges and increase in government funded research by graduate students.

... took advantage of school deferments, that were available to anyone willing to go to school.

These statements are not completely accurate.

LBJ refused to allow graduate deferments thus blocking undergraduates from simply continuing on with a student deferment in graduate school. However, if you were already a graduate student, you were only allowed to complete the program that you were matriculated in. So a person, in a Masters program at the time, would only be allowed to receive a Masters degree with a student deferment and upon completion would immediately become vulnerable to the draft. The lucky ones here were the graduate students who were enrolled in a doctoral program since doctoral studies are more open ended and can go on for years before completion.

68 posted on 04/29/2011 12:05:42 PM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Eva
Ah, Vietnam...you had to be there.

By the late sixties the writing was on the wall, the anti-war movement was in full swing, and young American males were assigned lottery numbers to designate the order in which they would be drafted.

However, there were deferments to be had. If you were a full time student or involved in certain industries you would not be drafted until your status changed. These people were not considered draft dodgers. They were simply taking advantage of the opportunity not to get blown up in a far away land that by this time no one gave a crap about.

If your status changed you were given the dreaded 1A designation, i.e. draftable immediately, cannon fodder. at this time the draft dodger label was put into play.

You had three choices: 1. Raise your right hand and join up, 2. Leave the country to dodge the draft (usually Canada), or 3. Refuse to serve, go to jail and become the love object of a rather large man usually called Killer.

Of the three I joined, many fled, and some went to jail. There were no good choices. It was lose lose, and colleges were suddenly filled with young men who took many years to graduate.

You had to be there, and the only true dodgers were those who fled the country. Everyone else was just in survival mode.

69 posted on 04/29/2011 12:05:54 PM PDT by ibytoohi (No)
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To: Eva
Ah, Vietnam...you had to be there.

By the late sixties the writing was on the wall, the anti-war movement was in full swing, and young American males were assigned lottery numbers to designate the order in which they would be drafted.

However, there were deferments to be had. If you were a full time student or involved in certain industries you would not be drafted until your status changed. These people were not considered draft dodgers. They were simply taking advantage of the opportunity not to get blown up in a far away land that by this time no one gave a crap about.

If your status changed you were given the dreaded 1A designation, i.e. draftable immediately, cannon fodder. at this time the draft dodger label was put into play.

You had three choices: 1. Raise your right hand and join up, 2. Leave the country to dodge the draft (usually Canada), or 3. Refuse to serve, go to jail and become the love object of a rather large man usually called Killer.

Of the three I joined, many fled, and some went to jail. There were no good choices. It was lose lose, and colleges were suddenly filled with young men who took many years to graduate.

You had to be there, and the only true dodgers were those who fled the country. Everyone else was just in survival mode.

70 posted on 04/29/2011 12:06:08 PM PDT by ibytoohi (No)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

you have got to see Big Wednesday...


71 posted on 04/29/2011 12:07:17 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: SeekAndFind
As a 'Nam vet I say - BFD. It appears he didn't so anything illegal and there were periods of time where he was classified 1-A (draft eligible).
Granted, those two windows are small - a few weeks to a few months - but his draft board could have sent out a letter.
72 posted on 04/29/2011 12:07:17 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


73 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:27 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


74 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


75 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


76 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


77 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


78 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:35 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


79 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:35 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many, many of our top pols got multiple deferments while they were in college. Looks like Trump got that AND a high lottery number. His being a liberal Democrat, likely stalking horse for Hill, and a danger as a third-party candidate are all issues enough for me. But Viet Nam isn’t the story here.


80 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:35 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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