Skip to comments.Obama: We're working on gun control 'under the radar'
Posted on 04/29/2011 11:41:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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One!?! I resent that math. ;^) lol
Thank you brother.
Thank YOU! heh
You certainly sound like you are itching for a fight.
In your scenario, who do we shoot first? When they are all shot, do I get shot too?
Since you were the one that brought it up, would you stack bodies up like cord wood in Christ’s name? Really, where are you coming from?
My point is and was, that if this turns into a shooting event, it will not be the bad guys that are trading bullits and giving their lives. It will be kids serving their country either killing or dying while believing they are doing the right thing.
I have served my country on the front line in combat. I have seen men killed and would put my life on the line again to protect our freedom. But, killing a man is a hard thing and shouldn’t be taken lightly.
You never answered my question... would you surrender your weapons when the FBI comes for them? Will you voluntarily turn them in before they come... will you take them to your local police chief or sheriff? What will you do if obama outlaws guns and they come to get yours? It is a simple question. Do you think that we all should just turn our weapons over today and save obama the trouble?
My dad flew B-17's and I grew up around a couple of his friends that also flew them. I learned what sacrifice was from those men. They instilled into me a deep love and respect for America.
I know that rioting and looting are not the same as demanding Constitutional rights and refusing to adhere to laws... laws that so violently and outrageously violate the Constitution as to compel one to balk at their being. Will our Military of today turn on Citizens carrying out Constitutionally protected liberties, where the Russian military has refused... when they turned their tank turrets away from the Russian people and trained them on the Politburo? I am truly wanting to know. That is truly a scary thing to contemplate.
One more thing for you to think about... if it is true that the Military would follow their orders to kill Americans abiding within the US Constitution and its rights and liberties... then everything that our Fine Military has ever fought for... everything that this great Nation stands for... all of it is an illusion that is just one Military order away from extinction.
Unfortunately a few years ago, we had a break in, all of my guns, several thousand rounds and my reloading equipment were stolen, I have a police report and everything. I have since then acquired two legally purchased handguns, they are stored safely in a lock box in the basement. If the deputy and it would be the deputy, not the FBI or BAT, showed up to get my registered weapons, I would hand them over to him. We would discuss how our kids were doing in school and shoot the breeze for a little while then he would leave and dutifully report that both of us had fulfilled the law.
If I got into a gunfight over my registered weapon, it would be a neighbor, a friend, and a father of kids I like that I would be shooting at. At the same time I would be risking the life of my wife and kids.
If I did decide to kill the deputy to keep from turning over my registered hand guns, when would you recommend I do so? Should I wait until he shows up in uniform with his own weapon, or should I snipe him while he’s mowing the grass? That may sound glib, but I’m a realist, he’s the person that I would have to deal with. A real life person, with a name, a family, somebody I know and a neighbor.
I have put my body in harms way fighting for our freedom and I would do so again but I really don’t think talking about stacking bodies up like cord wood helps our cause. I know your pissed at me but I’ve said my piece.
For the past two years crates (400-1000 rounds) of rifle ammo — 7.62X39, X51, X54 — have been flying out of my local gun shop. He can’t keep it in stock.
I’ve had the same thoughts you expressed.
If the military is ordered to go in and shoot civilians, they will refuse. If they are ordered to go in and neutralize armed combatants, well that is something that they are trained to do and will do. Like I mentioned before, when I was in the service, we were locked and loaded waiting to move into LA. After seeing the violence we were all ready to go in and I never gave it a thought afterwards. In retrospect, maybe I should have.
We do learn every day. That hindsight stuff should be available to us before we have to make a decision. That would certainly help me!
Deputy can be notified anonymously the consequences of any un-Consitutional action indirectly or through one of his family members.
If local confiscations begin anyway, why snipe? You know deputy, so his guard will be down at the moment of impact.
When a lib POTUS has to issue a weak meaningless campaign promise response...you know we’ve won.
Thanks for the ping!
So, Obama is undermining the US Constitution “under the radar”. He has no respect for the laws of this nation nor the Supreme Court.
I’ll give him the same respect he gives me and my Rights.
I think that time is coming at us like a freight train.
And, we also, are “working under the radar.”
“I really doubt that the army is going to obey any command that Obama decrees against the American people. Im guessing the Secret Service will take care of him if he ever tries it.”
Then the regressive right wing extremist portion of the armed forces and the Secret Service will have to be purged. There are plenty of idle hands to fill with weapons.
Obama won’t decree the eradication of the American people, just the “obstructionists” who want his plans to fail.
The truly ruthless and despotic ruler will succeed unless stopped by a greater force. There is no greater force to stop the US if it became despotic.
“If the deputy and it would be the deputy, not the FBI or BAT, showed up to get my registered weapons, I would hand them over to him.”
A lot of people who thought like you went for a train ride too,,,in the late 30s early 40s. There is no obligation to obey a law to turn in guns. In fact, a strong moral case can be made that it’s your responsibility to our children to resist such a law.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
“...we were one order away from moving against the American people. I didnt hear anyone talking about not obeying orders.”
But those weren’t the American people — they were hoards of street thugs running out of control, looting, raping and killing at will. And all of your fellow soldiers knew it.
There is a huge difference between facing common criminals and your dad, uncle and grandfather.
Is that the take home message you got from what I said?
Yep, it does.
The alternative sucks worse.
If you try it barry... we will stack your SS troops like cord wood.
After D-Day, the US Army, made up of mostly “citizen soldiers”, took on the SS and kicked their azzes.
I have a relative who is in the Army.
I told him that he needs to carefully consider what a lawful order is, because one day, he may be asked to fire on fellow Americans.
I filly expect 50% of the LEs and 50% of the armed forces to have no compunction about firing on fellow Americans if ordered to do so.
I am not talking about rioters or looters.
I mean average Americans standing for their rights.
Wait and see how Tea Partiers and conservatives are given the SS treatment by union goons and brownshirts soon.
Simply put: If a law enforcement officer comes and knowingly takes your weapons as part of a confiscation, he is an enemy, no matter his own family situation. Treat him like an enemy as soon and as much as you can. The Jews didn’t treat anyone like an enemy in WWII until it was too late. They got slaughtered. If anyone is taking guns away you had best remember the Jews. If you don’t want to, that’s fine. We need to thin the herd anyway.
I don't believe it, but what I do believe is your relative is brain dead.....
Wow, what an ignorant statement to make, even for you,Doofus, er, I mean, Doofer.
The question was not his belief, it was mine. The question was posed TO him by me, not BY him to me.
What part of that didn’t you get?
Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldnt allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.
-Alexander Hope, from the novel Hope by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman
Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave.
-Andrew Fletcher, 1698
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Sure, if he’s reelected he has nothing to lose. If you think his first term was a nightmare, wait until the second one. He’ll have no reason to hold off on anything.
Holder will be his point man at Justice to start the prosecutions.
To those in the military and law enforcement: Carefully consider the meaning of “a lawful order”; you may be ordered to fire on fellow Americans one day—and I don’t mean criminals and looters.
They’ll never tell the police to fire on innocent Americans, they’ll call you a “domestic terrorists” first.
They’ll never ban your scoped hunting rifle; they’ll call it a “sniper rifle” first.
They’ll never confiscate your firearms; they’ll call it an “arsenal” first.
They’ll never ban free speech; they’ll call it “hate speech” first.