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Family of dead burglary suspect question police account
postandcourier.com ^ | 29 Apr 2011 | David Slade

Posted on 04/29/2011 2:27:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog

A relative and friend of Bobby Gadsden, the 21-year-old who was shot dead by a Moncks Corner homeowner while burglarizing the man’s house, say police have been misleading about the case and that they are asking federal authorities to investigate.

Police two weeks ago decided that the April 13 shooting was justifiable. Two alleged accomplices in the burglary were arrested.

This morning Gadsden’s uncle Tyler Williams and family advocate Zoe Spencer laid out a list of what they said are inconsistencies that throw the police account of the shooting into question. Chiefly, they cite previously unreleased crime scene photos that appear to show Gadsden’s body outside of the home, and they said it was a “complete fabrication” that a long gun was found by Gadsden’s body.

Moncks Corner Police Lt. Wendell Bowen said that’s incorrect.

“I can tell you that a long gun was found at the scene, and that Mr. Gadsden’s body was found by the rear door,” he said this morning.

Police initially reported that Gadsden was shot after the homeowner saw him coming down the stairs carrying a long gun. Williams said that if that were true, then he would agree the shooting was justifiable.

“He was shot on the porch. He was fleeing for his life,” Williams said. “Is that really self-defense? Are you really defending property?”

Bowen said the confrontation took place in the kitchen as Gadsden jumped from a rear staircase in the house over a dog gate at the foot of the stairs.

Williams said the police change the story each time they are confronted with conflicting information.

Opinions about the controversial shooting — often involving racial overtones and strong opinions about the right to bear arms — have played out in social media pages and online comments to news articles.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; castledoctrine; castlelaw
The dead burglar is black and the homeowner who shot him is white, so the criminal automatically becomes the victim.
1 posted on 04/29/2011 2:27:07 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Looks like they are laying the ground work for the race card to be played.

They need to get Holder in on this thing. Looks like it was one of “his people”.

Watch for a federal civil rights suit on this.


2 posted on 04/29/2011 2:32:57 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: smokingfrog

You burgle my house, expect to die.
If you believe turning your back will save you, you’re dead wrong.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 2:33:20 PM PDT by G Larry
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To: smokingfrog

If he was shot outside of the house here in Merryland the homeowner would be going to jail.


4 posted on 04/29/2011 2:34:49 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (You go to war with the President you have Not the President you wish you had. D Rumsfeld)
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To: smokingfrog
He was such a good boy. He was getting ready to go to church, quit all the drugs, start paying support for his 10 children and find a real job....right after he pulled another dozen or so hits.
5 posted on 04/29/2011 2:38:03 PM PDT by JPG ("Mr. President, GAME ON." - Sarah Palin)
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To: G Larry
You burgle my house, expect to die.

That should be the presumption for all potential burglars.

Expect to die.

The homeowner should receive the benefit of any doubt which arises.

No one wants to be shot in the back, but if the burglar puts himself in that situation, his family should not be surprised when it happens.

There is simply no excuse for a criminal invasion of someone's home...

6 posted on 04/29/2011 2:39:26 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Wouldn’t the autopsy reveal whether the guy was shot in the back? If not, I don’t see a problem. Black or white, if you break into someone’s house, you’re responsible for what you get, even if you are only armed with a knife.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 2:39:26 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Unfortunately, in the People's Republic of Illinois and Crook County, in particular, if he didn't have a weapon and was inside the house, the homeowner could also go to jail. Even so, I post this sign on the back door of my Chicago house (with approval from local cops). Photobucket
8 posted on 04/29/2011 2:41:03 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: smokingfrog
If someone breaks into my home to borrow a Pepsi out of the fridge, I'm not going to ask their race, age or intentions. They will get a bullet wherever I can aim and hit them. And they might even make it as far as the front door and do a face plant in the front yard.

Breaking into the house of a homeowner with a gun should and ought to be as hazardous to your health as wrestling with a grizzly bear over a roll of salami.

9 posted on 04/29/2011 2:41:50 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; upchuck
Good thing this is South Carolina. I believe the only thing the homeowner has to fear is retribution from family members of the dead criminal. It's a good thing he has already proven that he owns weapons and knows how to use them.

Darn nice of the criminal to stagger outside and bleed-out on the porch.

10 posted on 04/29/2011 2:42:54 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: 12Gauge687

I WANT ONE!


11 posted on 04/29/2011 2:44:41 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (You go to war with the President you have Not the President you wish you had. D Rumsfeld)
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To: headstamp 2

Uhm.........He was robbing someones house! Don’t people have any shame? Take it mamma’s, teach the children that bad things happen to bad people.


12 posted on 04/29/2011 2:47:01 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: 12Gauge687

I’d like a version of that sign in metal, without the bullet holes. That way I can make my own bullet holes at the range to add an extra kick of reality about what will happen.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 2:49:02 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: smokingfrog
Perps:

Gadsen

Ramsey


14 posted on 04/29/2011 2:50:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That’s why you drag the body back inside the house and hose down the porch or run the lawn sprinklers.


15 posted on 04/29/2011 2:51:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

In Texas. I can shoot them from across the street if they robbed my neighbor’s house!


16 posted on 04/29/2011 2:51:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Jeff Chandler

If I had seen those Obama voters in my house, I’d have killed them both.


17 posted on 04/29/2011 2:59:45 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: smokingfrog

Yep, the burglar was just collecting the reparations they forgot to pay.

People do manage to move a distance after being shot, and they can and do turn just prior to get shot, thus a backshot is not necessarily indicative of them fleeing.

The homeowner should be given a medal/marksmanship award. He cleared a bunch of outstanding burglaries, punished ones that the burglar was not successfully prosecuted for, prevented future burglaries, and stopped this Alpha Hotel’s particular bloodline from expanding further.

It’s a good thing and a good shoot. Next.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 3:01:02 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ramsey looks like he just smoked a fat doob to his head.


19 posted on 04/29/2011 3:01:26 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: G Larry

“If you believe turning your back will save you, you’re dead wrong.”

Homeowner, “I closed my eyes and fired. He musta turned while my eyes were closed. I am afraid of guns, don’t you know!”


20 posted on 04/29/2011 3:04:30 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: 12Gauge687
ya better hope he dies and leaves no relatives, cause signs like that, DA's and law suit/defense lawyer's dream about...
21 posted on 04/29/2011 3:12:04 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: upchuck; SC Swamp Fox

Good for the homeowner - now charge the dead goblin’s accomplice with felony murder.


22 posted on 04/29/2011 3:12:56 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: mowowie

For sure he`s a drug user big time

Wonder what he served time for the last time he was in `da pen...bet it was felony burglary

Ta Ta Mr Ramsey,


23 posted on 04/29/2011 3:13:30 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Clearly, they’re pillars of the community.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 3:37:56 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: Molon Labbie
People do manage to move a distance after being shot, and they can and do turn just prior to get shot, thus a backshot is not necessarily indicative of them fleeing.

Just as likely they are taking cover to fire back at you.

25 posted on 04/29/2011 3:50:00 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: 12Gauge687

That is a great sign.


26 posted on 04/29/2011 4:05:11 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SatinDoll
That’s why you drag the body back inside the house and hose down the porch or run the lawn sprinklers.

Wrong move. With today's forensics, any such changes to the scene of the incident will be detected and will put anything you say into question.

A better strategy would be to pee your pants (if you haven't already done so) and be sure that it gets noted on the police report. Perp's lawyer: "How scared were you?" You: "I was so scared that I peed my pants."

27 posted on 04/29/2011 4:22:43 PM PDT by Bob
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To: smokingfrog; John Robinson; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
South Carolina
Ping

Send FReepmail to join or leave this list.

Hey John Rob, how come I get a server error every time I post to the SC ping list? Ping posts okay AFAICT.

28 posted on 04/29/2011 4:27:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: JPG

“He was getting ready to go to church, quit all the drugs, start paying support for his 10 children and find a real job....”

You forgot to mention that he helped old ladies across the street and had just stopped at the animal shelter and patted puppies on the head.

An imperfect jewel of the community.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 5:13:40 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

http://www.readytodefend.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35

Enjoy.


30 posted on 04/29/2011 5:31:56 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: The Hogwarts of stupid.)
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To: Cheburashka

YOU ROCK!


31 posted on 04/29/2011 5:35:09 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (You go to war with the President you have Not the President you wish you had. D Rumsfeld)
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To: smokingfrog

He good boy. He gettin his life straight...ad naseum.


32 posted on 04/29/2011 6:03:30 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SatinDoll
That’s why you drag the body back inside the house and hose down the porch or run the lawn sprinklers.

Yeah, the lab boys will never figure that out.

If you did something like this it would just make things worse, much worse.

33 posted on 04/29/2011 6:04:11 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; ViLaLuz

The plastic version, STS-2S, is available from ReadyToDefend.com. A number of signs are available at the site.


34 posted on 04/29/2011 8:11:22 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: smokingfrog
In Texas. I can shoot them from across the street if they robbed my neighbor’s house!

Damn straight. You can also chase them down the street and shoot them dead. Perfectly legal.

35 posted on 04/30/2011 2:18:49 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
In Texas, a person has a right to use deadly force in certain circumstances to protect property ..
36 posted on 04/30/2011 2:43:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Eaker

You know the Texas rules, shoot, shovel and shut up!


37 posted on 04/30/2011 2:55:09 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

With my arthritis it has gotten to be shovel, shoot and shut up.


38 posted on 04/30/2011 3:03:24 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

The shoveling takes a while, I completely understand. A back hoe would be good.


39 posted on 04/30/2011 3:44:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

(I make them dig the hole, filling it in isn’t too tough!)


40 posted on 04/30/2011 3:47:14 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Eaker

You are one clever fella!


41 posted on 04/30/2011 3:54:24 PM PDT by Ditter
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