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When William F. Buckley Met Saul Alinsky
Hot Air ^ | 4/29/11 | Ed Driscoll

Posted on 04/29/2011 6:23:44 PM PDT by Nachum

When William F. Buckley met Saul Alinsky, one of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton’s biggest influences. Unfortunately, only five minutes of this December 1967 edition of Buckley’s seminal Firing Line program is online the above clip, but you can read a transcript of the entire interview at the Hoover Institute, or buy a DVD of the program for ten bucks from Amazon. At one point, Buckley describes Alinsky’s philosophy:

Look, this is a program of things we want, if you don’t give it to us, we’re going to make it impossible for Chicago to continue commercial or civic life at all.

Alinsky eventually argues:

I’ll put it another way. I said that evolution is a chronological term used by non-participating historians to denote a time sequence of a whole series of revolutions which synthesize into a major change — then they call it evolution.

Change? Say, somebody should use that word as a campaign slogan!

And note this exchange:

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alinsky; buckley; f; william

1 posted on 04/29/2011 6:23:47 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
BUCKLEY: But for instance, we got Medicare in this country, and we got it as a result of discussion. Now, mightn’t Alinsky students have felt that you would need to shoot a few doctors, or let people die for lack of medical attention, before you’d have the kind of conflict that’s necessary to midwife for Medicare?
2 posted on 04/29/2011 6:25:24 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I love the days when people were interviewed and they smoked on screen.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 6:31:26 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Nachum

That’s awesome...I had no idea this existed....I’ve saved a ton of buckley wiping the floor with libtards videos...


4 posted on 04/29/2011 6:34:05 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Nachum

I remember Buckley talking about a debate he had on a college campus with one of the Black Power leaders. It might have been Stokely Carmichael but I am not sure.

Buckley said that every time the guy made a comment, the students would go wild cheering. This totally confused WFB because he had no idea what the guy was saying. This continued the entire debate.

Buckley said they later went over the tapes and it turned out the Black Power leader was just saying jibberish, I think Buckley described it as “double talk”. It didn’t matter, the students were going to cheer him no matter what he said.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 6:34:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Nachum

He just oozes dishonesty. Completely mendacious. He wants to win the debate, insult his critics, and exert personal power. To me, he seems consumed with evil intent.


6 posted on 04/29/2011 6:36:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Crim
William F Buckley VS Noam Chomsky
7 posted on 04/29/2011 6:38:59 PM PDT by mylife
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To: ClearCase_guy
He wants to win the debate, insult his critics, and exert personal power. To me, he seems consumed with evil intent.

The foster father to MSNBC's ed schultz

8 posted on 04/29/2011 6:41:46 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: ClearCase_guy
He just oozes dishonesty. Completely mendacious. He wants to win the debate, insult his critics, and exert personal power. To me, he seems consumed with evil intent.

That's the modus operandi of the radical Left: "By any means necessary."

9 posted on 04/29/2011 6:45:55 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Crim

His verbal exchange with Gore Vidal never ceases to amuse me.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 6:50:19 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Nachum
When I was a kid, I would stay up late and night and watch Buckley. I watched every time he was on. I studied him and learned from him. He was one of the most brilliant Conservatives that ever lived. He would cut someone like gore vidal into shreds, reassemble the meaty bits and slice and dice him again.

When he rocked back in his chair with that side-shift motion he would use, lean his head back and to one side... dart his tongue side to side for a second and then turn back into his prey... someone was fixing to get the crap beat out of them. He taught me what being a Conservative truly was.

You also have to respect a man that in the 60’s, when curious and wanting to try out marijuana... sailed his sloop into International Waters before lighting up his blunt. That is a Conservative.

LLS

11 posted on 04/29/2011 6:51:18 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"You also have to respect a man that in the 60’s, when curious and wanting to try out marijuana... sailed his sloop into International Waters before lighting up his blunt. That is a Conservative."

He could have more easily followed me and my buddies out behind the red barn at school...

12 posted on 04/29/2011 7:03:21 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Nachum
Wow. THAT is amazing. He managed to get right to the heart of Alinsky in this one line of repartee...

ALINSKY: Well, what I meant by that on the Poverty Program was it was a Federal welfare program -- which, in fact, it is. Instead of being billed as a War on Poverty, and if it didn't come out with all these sanctimonious, hypocritical, moralistic trappings and -- it wasn't "Harper's' but the reaction when I call it political pornography is -- let's put it this way: I don't object to a minister or any religious representative getting up on the altar and giving a sermon against adultery, because I think that's part of his racket, and I think everybody sitting thel'e asswnes that. But when all the time you know that he has been playing with the organist...

BUCKLEY: Why do you say racket -- is this part of your racket to fight poverty? Are you using racket in an invidious way?

13 posted on 04/29/2011 7:09:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Nachum

Bump


14 posted on 04/29/2011 7:21:02 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Nachum
Alinsky tries to Alinsky Buckley. It ain't happening.

Where are the conservative, smokin' tough men like Buckley today?

15 posted on 04/29/2011 7:21:26 PM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: LibLieSlayer
dart his tongue side to side for a second

Then he would raise his forehead skin up and then roll his complete scalp on his head forward, then release it back. I used to see that in such complete amazement that I would almost forget the immediate topic.

16 posted on 04/29/2011 7:37:38 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jane Long
Where are the Republicans?

They checked their spines at the door be because that spinless Boehner told them to. ALL the remaining RE-PUKE-LICANS need to be replaced in 2012 and 2014 along with all the DEMOCRATS. Most all the RE-PUKE-LICANS in the Senate and all the DEMOCRATS in the Senate need to go. Maybe then just maybe we will have a chance to save the Republic unless Obamalamadingdong declares martial law, suspends habeas corpus, suspends the rest of the Constitution and starts to eliminate the 25 to 30 million Ayers, Stern, Trumpka, Sunstien, Power, Jones and all the other Communists/Marxists that dominate our cherished White House so desperately want to see.

17 posted on 04/29/2011 7:55:34 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Nachum

Book marked.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 8:01:14 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Jane Long
” Where are the conservative, smokin’ tough men like Buckley today “ ?

They are out there but typically they are scorned and vilified by the establishment right and left . We see it every day . We are convinced by the same press and people we clam to despise and mistrust . Yes we love a nostalgic look at the greats from the past at the same time we bar the door from the new ones .

19 posted on 04/29/2011 8:05:32 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: ClearCase_guy
He just oozes dishonesty. Completely mendacious. He wants to win the debate, insult his critics, and exert personal power. To me, he seems consumed with evil intent.

Remember, you're talking about a guy who dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Yeah, THAT Lucifer.

20 posted on 04/29/2011 8:11:33 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Uncertainty: it's the new normal)
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To: billorites

:-)

LLS


21 posted on 04/29/2011 8:15:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (I am tired and I am pi$$ed off... but I am pi$$ed off more than I am tired)
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To: BerryDingle

Yep... he was something.

LLS


22 posted on 04/29/2011 8:17:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (I am tired and I am pi$$ed off... but I am pi$$ed off more than I am tired)
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To: Nachum

bump, thanks!


23 posted on 04/29/2011 8:39:25 PM PDT by Weirdad (Don't put up with ANY voter fraud...)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I, on the other hand, see him as the worst sort of patrician. Never liked him, and then lost all respect when he allowed Nirman Mailer to publicly insult him at a PEN meeting “he’s very intelligent even though he’s conservative”. The whole auditorium laughed (except for me) and Buckley did nothing.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 8:51:39 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Nachum

W.F. Buckley was the most erudite host and editor of our time. He helped make Public Television an educational mecca in the great TV wasteland. Few will probably remember that his show was a production of SC Educational TV. His family had an estate near Camden, SC. His style and use of the English language caused him, IMHO, to be a lousy political candidate but it made him one of the most fascinating men involved in politics.

He was frustrating to watch, you needed a dictionary, because you knew you were watching your intellectual superior. Oh, to be able to write like him, much less string together such complete and logical thoughts on the fly.


25 posted on 04/29/2011 10:40:28 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: Nachum
From a Post on the HotAir link:

Here is an interesting outtake from Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals.”

Page 100; “The job of the organizer is to maneuver and bait the establishment so that it will publicly attack him as a “dangerous enemy.” The word “enemy” is sufficient to put the organizer on the side of the people, to identify him with the Have-Nots, but it is not enough to endow him with the special qualities that induce fear and thus give him the means to establish his own power against the establishment.”

This paragraph ends with “Now the organizer has his “birth certificate” and can begin.”

26 posted on 04/30/2011 12:46:32 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: kabumpo
All of us have down days... with that son of his can you imagine... he may have found out JR was a fag that day or something. We can have different opinions but Rush and I think the world of that man. If Buckley had been alive in 2007... obama would still be a senator from a rotten, corrupt, marxist state in decay.

LLS

27 posted on 04/30/2011 4:39:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (I am tired and I am pi$$ed off... but I am pi$$ed off more than I am tired)
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To: rlmorel

Alinsky’s and Obama’s Modus Operandi...Obama is running this country like a racket.


28 posted on 04/30/2011 7:56:28 AM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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