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Fox News: 9 Americans killed by Afghan were NOT allowed to have loaded weapons!

Posted on 04/30/2011 6:38:31 AM PDT by macquire

Listening to Col David Hunt (Retired) on Fox right now explaining how the rules of engagement did not permit the Americans the Afghan pilot killed to have loaded weapons on base. The angry pilot simply shot them execution style after he left the meeting and retrieved a loaded firearm from his office.

Have any of you heard this before? I am outraged.

How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?


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I have a son that is an Officer in the Air Force in Afghanistan right now. I just ASSUMED when he was there that he would be carrying a sidearm. Now I am not so sure and I know he won't answer me if I question him.
1 posted on 04/30/2011 6:38:34 AM PDT by macquire
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To: macquire

modus operendi for all Democrat wars because US is too powerful


2 posted on 04/30/2011 6:40:59 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: macquire

This is an outrage.

All American servicemen and women either overseas or serving on bases here at home should be required to wear sidearms and have automatic handguns at the ready and receive training on how to use them and make sure they are tested regularly to ensure it.


3 posted on 04/30/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: macquire

This is quite common, depending on which post you’re in. This explains a lot. Even with ammo handy, they were no doubt ambushed and gunned down by their “trusted student” before they had a chance to load.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 6:43:57 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: macquire

Maybe the same rules should apply to the Secret Service surrounding Stroker.

No loaded weapons allowed.


5 posted on 04/30/2011 6:44:07 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: macquire

Obama has to go and he needs to be made responsible for these deaths.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 6:44:08 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: macquire

this should be a non-negotiable - loaded weapons or just get the hell out...let the Afgans and Taliban shoot each other...


7 posted on 04/30/2011 6:44:39 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: macquire

I also have an Air Force son who is currently serving in Afghanistan, and am outraged at the ‘Rules of Engagement’ that put our brave men and women at an extreme disadvantage during deployment.

Fight the damned war, or get out! Quit bending over backwards and kissing Arab ass.


8 posted on 04/30/2011 6:48:01 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: scorchedearther

My daughter is US Navy and DETs to an Afghan base. She was instructed wear her loaded sidearm. She kept it in a drawer in her office. Her office was secure, but if someone was able to get in, the office was set up in such a way that even if she was wearing it she wouldn’t have time to defend herself. First, it irritated me that she didn’t carry it when walking the base, second, it infuriated me that her office was set up so that backs were to the door.


9 posted on 04/30/2011 6:50:42 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (You will try to nudge commies toward the truth, while they try to nudge you toward the cattle cars.)
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To: macquire
Unloaded weapons is a nonnegotiable requirement for Tingle Barry's gay military plans.

Otherwise Brucie might get reflexively shot when he gropes some young troop.

10 posted on 04/30/2011 6:51:02 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: xzins

Do you know anything about this?


11 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DJ Frisat

May you son stay safe and thank him for this family for his service to our country.


12 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:04 AM PDT by macquire
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To: macquire
We had patrols in our company area in Cu Chi Viet Nam abound the time of TET 1968. One guy was high and almost shot another guy by accident so they decided to have us carry M14’s without ammo and the first and last guy had 12 ga. riot guns with 5 rounds each. At least I had the 12 ga.
13 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:16 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: macquire

“Two rules, dhimmis.
American soldiers must never hurt or insult OUR people.
And when OUR people graduate to American-killing 'terrorists'
only then are they entitled to American taxpayer-paid lawyers ( 1, 2, 3, 4),
and, of course, American citizenship."

14 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:26 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: macquire

Yes, I was outraged last June when this started.

http://actforamerica.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/obama-regime-orders-u-s-troops-in-afghanistan-to-carry-weapons-with-no-bullets/

Obama Regime orders U.S. troops in Afghanistan to carry WEAPONS with NO BULLETS!


15 posted on 04/30/2011 6:53:34 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: macquire; hiredhand; CodeToad; Squantos; Eaker; Lurker; B4Ranch

Shades of Beirut, where the Marine guards on duty had no magazines loaded when the big truck bomb drove past them and into the BLT HQ.

PC kills. When will a general resign over these outrages?

Or do their stars always trump the welfare of their troops?


16 posted on 04/30/2011 6:53:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: macquire
Have any of you heard this before? I am outraged.

In VEEEETNAM it was also a policy to disarm American troops if they were to be around any high ranking Pols,ie; senators, congresscritters, presidents etc.. Only the "Palace Guard" could be armed and even then they were watched by others. Its the way of life if you are a despot.

17 posted on 04/30/2011 6:55:01 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Diogenesis

“How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?”


As an Navy Vet, my opinion is you don’t. In the end, could that be the point?

Remember - we are “Nation Building” not fighting a declared war.


18 posted on 04/30/2011 6:56:04 AM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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To: macquire
ROE....Political correctness....murder by our own Government.
19 posted on 04/30/2011 6:56:28 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: macquire
IF this can be verified as factual, some heads need to roll, begining with that PC, Multiculturalist, "Hearts and Minds" A-Hole (and soon to be CIA, DCI, God forbid) who has embraced and enforced these assinine and dangersous ROE's.

This can NOT be allowed to be swept under the carpet and if (when) the families of the KIA's get ahold of this, I doubt if it will.

Bring em' all home and bring em' home NOW!!!

20 posted on 04/30/2011 6:56:39 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Travis McGee

You would think Government would learn from their mistakes like normal humans do.


21 posted on 04/30/2011 6:56:50 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: macquire

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=5pfBUUZNbFM


22 posted on 04/30/2011 6:57:33 AM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: macquire

They still should have rushed the Muslim killer who was obviously inspired by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

They better be able to carry loaded sidearms now.


23 posted on 04/30/2011 6:57:54 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: macquire

Bring all the troops home NOW, or remove Zero from office, indict him as a foreign agent, convict him and give him the usual punishment for spies.


24 posted on 04/30/2011 6:58:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: macquire

Oh, and since granted citizenship to THREE CONVICTED TERRORISTS... we elected our own terrorist.


25 posted on 04/30/2011 6:58:06 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: macquire

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW


26 posted on 04/30/2011 6:58:13 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: macquire
While in Israel, I saw a guy get yelled at for not having his weapon. We were just driving through the city and had to stop at a security area.

The guard was yelling, Where is your weapon!? Why are you not carrying it? Over and over.

The Israelis are not fools. Every home and just about every car will have a weapon in it. And, it will be loaded.

They do not have the luxury of all the American Leftist PC crap. They have to play to win. And it is no joke.

27 posted on 04/30/2011 6:58:22 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

It is verified. Free Republic was flipping out last summer over it.


28 posted on 04/30/2011 6:59:45 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

The Obama administration has a lot of innocent military blood on their hands both here at home and overseas.

Obama only feigns concern over the military.

Obama hates the military, harbors a hatred and bitterness toward our great country.

Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like an uber patriot by comparison.


29 posted on 04/30/2011 7:01:14 AM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: dennisw
Hasan may have suggested the treasonous ROE.
Certainly, his PROTECTORS have.

"Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition"

30 posted on 04/30/2011 7:01:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: macquire

If by “loaded” he means with a round chambered, I had thought that - except for the MP’s weapons— it is pretty much SOP to leave a weapon’s chamber empty while inside a rear area US military base. And it’s been that way for maybe the last 100 years.


31 posted on 04/30/2011 7:03:50 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: macquire

This is called green status for weapons. Unloaded. Amber status is common for smaller FOBs and outposts. Magazine loaded, but no rounds chambered. Red status is pretty much only for patrols or direct action. Locked and loaded.

At a larger base, they were no doubt on green status. I don’t know if these nine were being complacent or not, but even a trained shooter can be too distracted to load quickly and correctly while being ambushed at close range.


32 posted on 04/30/2011 7:04:14 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: 240B

We can learn from Israel’s non PC style, but not with O in power.


33 posted on 04/30/2011 7:04:55 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: macquire

If this is true, it is beyond outrageous. Why would they not be allowed to have a weapon? Whose decision would that be?


34 posted on 04/30/2011 7:06:18 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: macquire

These are liberal “facts.” People who join the military are kids of lower intelligence. They’re conservative. They can’t be trusted to drink, carry loaded weapons or vote. Liberals point to every accident as evidence that loaded guns kill people and that therefore all military should carry only unloaded guns. (My sister sat in on the autopsy of a base guard who was unloading his M16 properly while pointed into a sand filled barrel. It discharged and the ricochet killed him. Next order up? All base guards were to carry their M16’s unloaded. This was in the early ‘70’s. These were SAC bases with nuclear weapons.)

Given that we’re at war and the people on “our side” might turn on us at any moment, I think the military should risk the occasional accident as it will kill far fewer than an enemy in a “friendly” uniform.


35 posted on 04/30/2011 7:06:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: macquire
"Have any of you heard this before? I am outraged."

Yes. Ft. Hood, Texas. Major Hasan. He was shot down by civilians. Both Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley and Police Sr. Sgt. Mark Todd (both civilians) have variously been given credit for stopping the rampage. Why civilians? The soldiers on the base are not allowed to be armed!

36 posted on 04/30/2011 7:06:35 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: macquire
9 Americans killed by Afghan were NOT allowed to have loaded weapons

Disgusting beyond compare...

37 posted on 04/30/2011 7:06:40 AM PDT by SteamShovel (The RADIATION PIMPS...are RATS)
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To: Sooth2222

There is no ‘rear area’ in Afghanistan.


38 posted on 04/30/2011 7:07:24 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: mountainlion

I was at Pendleton at that time.....stoners were a huge problem; huge.


39 posted on 04/30/2011 7:08:06 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: macquire
I just ASSUMED when he was there that he would be carrying a sidearm.

I'm sure he is.

Depending on where these troops are located, they may have been on "weapons green" status.

It means you have your weapon and you have your magazines, but there is not a magazine loaded in the weapon.

Perhaps they may change the weapons status in light of this incident.

When I was on a small FOB and going outside the wire regularly (on an advise and train mission), we went to amber or red status during points of heightened security or after some big event had occurred.

40 posted on 04/30/2011 7:10:43 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: macquire

Nobody carries loaded weapons on the FOB. You always carry in “green” status. You’re supposed to always have your assigned weapon and a single magazine on you at all times, but the weapon is not to be loaded.

It’s a safety issue, it has nothing to do with ROE.

Calm down.


41 posted on 04/30/2011 7:11:30 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: yldstrk

Anyone who votes for Obama next year will have the blood of our soldiers on their hands!

FUBO


42 posted on 04/30/2011 7:12:14 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: macquire

“How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?”

You don’t. Another of husseins attempt at losing the war to muslims and their satanic cult.



43 posted on 04/30/2011 7:14:55 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Future Snake Eater

Do the Afghan soldiers have the same rules?


44 posted on 04/30/2011 7:16:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: macquire

Aside from the IDIOTIC rules of engagement, THE TRAINING SUCKS!

NINE people should be trained to overwhelm an attacker, RATHER THAN SUBMITTING TO EXECUTION!!


45 posted on 04/30/2011 7:16:51 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: macquire
How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?

The same rules the regime has mandated for our war on the (Mexican) border....rubber bullets.

I thank your son for his service. May God bless and keep him.

46 posted on 04/30/2011 7:17:10 AM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Nine Americans dead. I have no intention of “calming down”.


47 posted on 04/30/2011 7:17:34 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Blue Highway
"We can learn from Israel’s non PC style..."

Search the term, "Israeli Carry". The Israeli military does not carry their weapons with a round chambered.

At some time, someone must have run the statistics on casualties resulting from accidental discharges vs. casualties from the bad guys.

48 posted on 04/30/2011 7:18:13 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

Nope. Hunt was clear: They were NOT allowed loaded weapons and it was NOT a matter of just putting a round in the chamber. Good LORD sir, give our military SOME credit. If NINE American soldiers were in a room and a guy walks in with a handgun and tells them to drop their firearms and get against the wall, DON’T you think all NINE of them would say F you, have a round chambered in 1/2 of a second? Sheese.

This is what bothered me from the gitgo on this story. I KNEW there was more to it than this. I can’t picture a single American soldier KNOWING that once he is disarmed he is dead. Do you think they train our soldiers to drop their weapons when confronted? If you do, you need to go back to training.


49 posted on 04/30/2011 7:22:29 AM PDT by macquire
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To: autumnraine; xzins
Obama Regime orders U.S. troops in Afghanistan to carry WEAPONS with NO BULLETS!

It is not a "weapon" without bullets. It is an oversized paperweight.

50 posted on 04/30/2011 7:23:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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