Skip to comments.Fox News: 9 Americans killed by Afghan were NOT allowed to have loaded weapons!
Posted on 04/30/2011 6:38:31 AM PDT by macquire
Listening to Col David Hunt (Retired) on Fox right now explaining how the rules of engagement did not permit the Americans the Afghan pilot killed to have loaded weapons on base. The angry pilot simply shot them execution style after he left the meeting and retrieved a loaded firearm from his office.
Have any of you heard this before? I am outraged.
How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?
modus operendi for all Democrat wars because US is too powerful
This is an outrage.
All American servicemen and women either overseas or serving on bases here at home should be required to wear sidearms and have automatic handguns at the ready and receive training on how to use them and make sure they are tested regularly to ensure it.
This is quite common, depending on which post you’re in. This explains a lot. Even with ammo handy, they were no doubt ambushed and gunned down by their “trusted student” before they had a chance to load.
Maybe the same rules should apply to the Secret Service surrounding Stroker.
No loaded weapons allowed.
Obama has to go and he needs to be made responsible for these deaths.
this should be a non-negotiable - loaded weapons or just get the hell out...let the Afgans and Taliban shoot each other...
I also have an Air Force son who is currently serving in Afghanistan, and am outraged at the ‘Rules of Engagement’ that put our brave men and women at an extreme disadvantage during deployment.
Fight the damned war, or get out! Quit bending over backwards and kissing Arab ass.
My daughter is US Navy and DETs to an Afghan base. She was instructed wear her loaded sidearm. She kept it in a drawer in her office. Her office was secure, but if someone was able to get in, the office was set up in such a way that even if she was wearing it she wouldn’t have time to defend herself. First, it irritated me that she didn’t carry it when walking the base, second, it infuriated me that her office was set up so that backs were to the door.
Otherwise Brucie might get reflexively shot when he gropes some young troop.
Do you know anything about this?
May you son stay safe and thank him for this family for his service to our country.
Two rules, dhimmis.
American soldiers must never hurt or insult OUR people.
And when OUR people graduate to American-killing 'terrorists'
only then are they entitled to American taxpayer-paid lawyers ( 1, 2, 3, 4),
and, of course, American citizenship."
Yes, I was outraged last June when this started.
Obama Regime orders U.S. troops in Afghanistan to carry WEAPONS with NO BULLETS!
Shades of Beirut, where the Marine guards on duty had no magazines loaded when the big truck bomb drove past them and into the BLT HQ.
PC kills. When will a general resign over these outrages?
Or do their stars always trump the welfare of their troops?
In VEEEETNAM it was also a policy to disarm American troops if they were to be around any high ranking Pols,ie; senators, congresscritters, presidents etc.. Only the "Palace Guard" could be armed and even then they were watched by others. Its the way of life if you are a despot.
“How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?”
Remember - we are “Nation Building” not fighting a declared war.
This can NOT be allowed to be swept under the carpet and if (when) the families of the KIA's get ahold of this, I doubt if it will.
Bring em' all home and bring em' home NOW!!!
You would think Government would learn from their mistakes like normal humans do.
They still should have rushed the Muslim killer who was obviously inspired by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.
They better be able to carry loaded sidearms now.
Bring all the troops home NOW, or remove Zero from office, indict him as a foreign agent, convict him and give him the usual punishment for spies.
Oh, and since granted citizenship to THREE CONVICTED TERRORISTS... we elected our own terrorist.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW
The guard was yelling, Where is your weapon!? Why are you not carrying it? Over and over.
The Israelis are not fools. Every home and just about every car will have a weapon in it. And, it will be loaded.
They do not have the luxury of all the American Leftist PC crap. They have to play to win. And it is no joke.
It is verified. Free Republic was flipping out last summer over it.
The Obama administration has a lot of innocent military blood on their hands both here at home and overseas.
Obama only feigns concern over the military.
Obama hates the military, harbors a hatred and bitterness toward our great country.
Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like an uber patriot by comparison.
If by “loaded” he means with a round chambered, I had thought that - except for the MP’s weapons— it is pretty much SOP to leave a weapon’s chamber empty while inside a rear area US military base. And it’s been that way for maybe the last 100 years.
This is called green status for weapons. Unloaded. Amber status is common for smaller FOBs and outposts. Magazine loaded, but no rounds chambered. Red status is pretty much only for patrols or direct action. Locked and loaded.
At a larger base, they were no doubt on green status. I don’t know if these nine were being complacent or not, but even a trained shooter can be too distracted to load quickly and correctly while being ambushed at close range.
We can learn from Israel’s non PC style, but not with O in power.
If this is true, it is beyond outrageous. Why would they not be allowed to have a weapon? Whose decision would that be?
These are liberal facts. People who join the military are kids of lower intelligence. Theyre conservative. They cant be trusted to drink, carry loaded weapons or vote. Liberals point to every accident as evidence that loaded guns kill people and that therefore all military should carry only unloaded guns. (My sister sat in on the autopsy of a base guard who was unloading his M16 properly while pointed into a sand filled barrel. It discharged and the ricochet killed him. Next order up? All base guards were to carry their M16s unloaded. This was in the early 70s. These were SAC bases with nuclear weapons.)
Given that were at war and the people on our side might turn on us at any moment, I think the military should risk the occasional accident as it will kill far fewer than an enemy in a friendly uniform.
Yes. Ft. Hood, Texas. Major Hasan. He was shot down by civilians. Both Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley and Police Sr. Sgt. Mark Todd (both civilians) have variously been given credit for stopping the rampage. Why civilians? The soldiers on the base are not allowed to be armed!
Disgusting beyond compare...
There is no ‘rear area’ in Afghanistan.
I was at Pendleton at that time.....stoners were a huge problem; huge.
I'm sure he is.
Depending on where these troops are located, they may have been on "weapons green" status.
It means you have your weapon and you have your magazines, but there is not a magazine loaded in the weapon.
Perhaps they may change the weapons status in light of this incident.
When I was on a small FOB and going outside the wire regularly (on an advise and train mission), we went to amber or red status during points of heightened security or after some big event had occurred.
Nobody carries loaded weapons on the FOB. You always carry in “green” status. You’re supposed to always have your assigned weapon and a single magazine on you at all times, but the weapon is not to be loaded.
It’s a safety issue, it has nothing to do with ROE.
Anyone who votes for Obama next year will have the blood of our soldiers on their hands!
“How do you fight a war with one hand tied behind your back?”
You don’t. Another of husseins attempt at losing the war to muslims and their satanic cult.
Do the Afghan soldiers have the same rules?
Aside from the IDIOTIC rules of engagement, THE TRAINING SUCKS!
NINE people should be trained to overwhelm an attacker, RATHER THAN SUBMITTING TO EXECUTION!!
The same rules the regime has mandated for our war on the (Mexican) border....rubber bullets.
I thank your son for his service. May God bless and keep him.
Nine Americans dead. I have no intention of “calming down”.
Search the term, "Israeli Carry". The Israeli military does not carry their weapons with a round chambered.
At some time, someone must have run the statistics on casualties resulting from accidental discharges vs. casualties from the bad guys.
Nope. Hunt was clear: They were NOT allowed loaded weapons and it was NOT a matter of just putting a round in the chamber. Good LORD sir, give our military SOME credit. If NINE American soldiers were in a room and a guy walks in with a handgun and tells them to drop their firearms and get against the wall, DON’T you think all NINE of them would say F you, have a round chambered in 1/2 of a second? Sheese.
This is what bothered me from the gitgo on this story. I KNEW there was more to it than this. I can’t picture a single American soldier KNOWING that once he is disarmed he is dead. Do you think they train our soldiers to drop their weapons when confronted? If you do, you need to go back to training.
It is not a "weapon" without bullets. It is an oversized paperweight.