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Which Document is the Best Defender of American Freedoms - The US Constitution or the Bible?

Posted on 04/30/2011 10:00:22 AM PDT by pinochet

The American founding father and second President, John Adams, said that "The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other".

Some foreign countries have tried adopting the US Constitution to govern their nations, but the process has been a disastrous failure. This is because those nations were not founded on bibilical Christianity. When you reflect on it, the idea of the First Ammendment is potentially dangerous. It gives everyone the right to shout the F-word in public, in the presence of children.

The second ammendment provides even more potential for danger. If all adults have access to guns, what is there to prevent people from shooting each other? The founding fathers opposed gun control, but they believed in a greater force that could control the gun owner, to prevent him from misusing his second ammendment rights. Colonial America was ruled by the Mayflower Compact, from 1620 to 1776. The compact dedicated America to "the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith".


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bible; firstammendment; secondammendment; usconstitution
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To those who call for the separation of Church and state, I would like to inform them that the Bible was the foundation on which America was built. The US Constitution, as John Adams noted, was an instrument that would enable Bible-believing people from different Christian denominations, to govern themselves.

The first ammendment and the second ammendment of the US Constitution are very dangerous, if they are in the hands of a people who are not bound by Christian morality. If America rejects Bibilical Christianity, the widespread gun ownership would turn America into a nation of bandits, such as Somalia and Afghanistan.

Are you aware that the early American pioneers did not need a police force, judges, the FBI, the DEA, the IRS, or prisons? Ordinary people were able to govern themselves successfully, with the lowest crime rates in American history. Imagine the freedoms they enjoyed, not having to support government bureaucracies?

1 posted on 04/30/2011 10:00:27 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

ping for later


2 posted on 04/30/2011 10:06:55 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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The Bible rules friend. No document on “earth”, “made by man” supersedes the Holy Word of God. If you think “worldly” thing over rule God, then you are “in the world” and “not of God.” That simple.
3 posted on 04/30/2011 10:11:26 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Read: Ecclesiastes 10:2. The Bible tells you RIGHT is right and left is wrong.)
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You are entirely right. The Founding proceeded from a Christian principles emanating from a Christian culture. The Bible is the foundation. Any mention of “Separation of Church and State” as reflecting a lack of Christianity in the Founding is historically illiterate. The 1947 Everson decision’s use of that phrase is entirely ahistorical and without basis in the Constitution.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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"Are you aware that the early American pioneers did not need a police force, judges, the FBI, the DEA, the IRS, or prisons?"

Yes, completely true...I wonder so often, what has happened to this country? What happened to American work-ethic? What happened to American national pride? What has happened to our government? How has our population become to moralally bankrupt, so dumb, so socialistically bent? What has happened to this country? How did it happen? When did it happen? Where has our freedom gone? When did our government turn against us?

5 posted on 04/30/2011 10:12:51 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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I think it is the US Constitution for the simple reason that there are other countries that have the Bible as their cultural as well as legal foundations, but none comes close to America when it comes to protecting our freedoms.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 10:13:11 AM PDT by JimWayne
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To: RetiredArmy
For the governing of a nation, I believe the Bible and the constitution complement each other nicely.

If I had to throw one away, it would be the constitution. Freedom is a great thing, but being free, being American, won't get you to heaven.

7 posted on 04/30/2011 10:15:44 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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Are you aware that the idea of separation of church only meant that the United States would not establish a church where citizens would have to pay taxes to support it? As you wrote, this country was founded on the basis of belief in God,but we did not want a state religion like all the rest of the world, even to this day. Religion and church are two different concepts. You are right in writing that our form of government only works for those with
christian beliefs.


8 posted on 04/30/2011 10:17:02 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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You are correct; our form of government cannot work without the social principles expressed in the Gospels. This nation was founded by Christians and dedicated by the first pilgrims to the teachings of the Living God. Only He can save our nation from destruction; and He can only do this one heart at a time, now that the government that rests upon His shoulders has been so distorted by anti-Christians, atheists and marxists.


9 posted on 04/30/2011 10:17:32 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The world laughs at the U.S. They won't be laughing if I'm elected President."--Donald Trump)
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There is nothing protecting the freedoms of Americans except for Americans willing to stand the hell up and do whatever it takes to ensure their freedoms remain in tact.

There’s nothing to hide behind. And, no one’s fault but our own once those freedoms are gone.


10 posted on 04/30/2011 10:19:06 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Celtic Cross

Nothing gets you into Heaven but belief in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on the Cross. The Gospel in 1 Cor. 15: 1-4 defines it clearly.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 10:20:33 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Read: Ecclesiastes 10:2. The Bible tells you RIGHT is right and left is wrong.)
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I think it is the US Constitution for the simple reason that there are other countries that have the Bible as their cultural as well as legal foundations, but none comes close to America when it comes to protecting our freedoms.

Your logic is unassailable.

12 posted on 04/30/2011 10:21:07 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: RetiredArmy

Yes, thats what I said.


13 posted on 04/30/2011 10:21:56 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: JimWayne

The Bible is NOT the law of our land, but is the documented laws of GOD that are reflected in the foundation of the Constitution that is the law that governs our land.

Let’s not open ourselves to admitting Sharia as acceptable replacement for the Constitution we have today, which is ultimately where this discussion could take us.

IOW don’t aid and abet the enemy.


14 posted on 04/30/2011 10:22:22 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: pinochet

As I tell students, after asking them “what is the source of your authority for your actions while living on this earth?”, mine is Holy Scripture for spiritual matters, and the U.S. Constitution for secular matters.

Clearly there is overlap; in those cases I defer to Scripture.

For those who believe in neither, I point out that, in the U.S., they are inviting anarchy. 312 million people “doing what is right in their own eyes” leads only to chaos.


15 posted on 04/30/2011 10:22:38 AM PDT by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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Would we be a nation of bandits if we followed Jewish ethics?

Adams’ quote is about religious people, it doesnt just apply to Biblical Christians. What about the influence on the Constitution that John Locke and David Hume had on the Constitution?

The Bible is the best way to defend your spiritual freedoms, but the Constitution is the document that will protect your physical freedoms. The Bible didnt free Europeans from monarchs. Yearning to be free did, which actually goes against historical Hebrew wishes in the Old Testament. They wanted to be free of foreigners, but wanted a king among themselves.


16 posted on 04/30/2011 10:24:41 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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Natural rights existed before both the Constitution and the Bible. They exist because we exist.

No piece of paper can protect your rights, they can only remind you of what they are. It takes blood, sweat, tears, and gonads to keep your rights.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 10:27:10 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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18 posted on 04/30/2011 10:32:10 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: pinochet

Primary source documents from 500 BC to 1800 AD. Many of the links are dead but most docs can be found with a minimal search.

http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/primarysources.html


19 posted on 04/30/2011 10:32:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Zman
...Holy Scripture for spiritual matters, and the U.S. Constitution for secular matters.
I concur.
As a compact for governance it's hard to beat the Constitution.
20 posted on 04/30/2011 10:34:04 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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