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10 year old in PA charged with shaking baby to death
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Posted on 04/30/2011 2:44:45 PM PDT by mainestategop

CHAMBERSBURG, Pa. – A 10-year-old central Pennsylvania girl who allegedly caused a baby's death by violently shaking him and throwing him into a crib was charged with third-degree murder.

The charges filed against the fifth-grader on Friday in Franklin County came after a coroner's inquest into the death of 11-month-old Heath Ryder. The girl was released into the custody of her parents and ordered not to have unsupervised contact with children under 5.

"This is not a kid that has a mental health disorder. She does not have a personality disorder," the girl's attorney, Jason Kutulakis, told The Public Opinion of Chambersburg. "She is not a bad person. She has no history of behavioral problems or school problems."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 3rd; baby; chambersburg; court; crime; degree; juvinille; manslaughter; murder; murderjuvinilecourt; neglect; pennsylvania; shaking; suspect
Also charged Friday was 56-year-old Dottie Bowers, who was babysitting both children at her home near Shippensburg, Pa., when the shaking allegedly occurred on July 29

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A judge immediately transferred the girl's case to juvenile court, where records are sealed. Pennsylvania law requires murder charges to be initiated in adult court regardless of the defendant's age, according District Attorney Matthew Fogal, who supported moving the case to juvenile court. The suspect was 9 when the baby was injured.

1 posted on 04/30/2011 2:44:49 PM PDT by mainestategop
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MY Prayers go out to the family...


2 posted on 04/30/2011 2:46:17 PM PDT by mainestategop (Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: mainestategop

So heart breaking.... Prayers all around.


3 posted on 04/30/2011 2:47:51 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Will Obama drive up in his golf cart to respond to Trump's latest demand?)
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To: mainestategop

Evil.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 2:49:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: mainestategop

Not buying. I think the 56 year old is saving her own hide by blaming the 10 year old


5 posted on 04/30/2011 2:53:34 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True, at that age she knew exactly what she was doing. My heart breaks for the parents of the little baby.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 2:54:39 PM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: yldstrk

I agree. I rememebr 48 hours did something about this. It turned out the drunken father did it and blamed the daughter and in the end he ended up in prison for 10 years for armed robbery, they had to exume the corpse to do an autopsy on it. Well now that baby killing psycho is still in prison and there he will remain.


7 posted on 04/30/2011 3:00:12 PM PDT by mainestategop (Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: mainestategop

She was 9 when this happened. I doubt she intended to kill the baby. The adult babysitter who was being paid to watch both children should be on trial. What a miserable situation. Prayers for everyone involved or affected!


8 posted on 04/30/2011 3:02:29 PM PDT by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: mainestategop

She was 9 when this happened. I doubt she intended to kill the baby. The adult babysitter who was being paid to watch both children should be on trial. What a miserable situation. Prayers for everyone involved or affected!


9 posted on 04/30/2011 3:02:35 PM PDT by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: yldstrk
Not buying. I think the 56 year old is saving her own hide by blaming the 10 year old

My first thought too.

10 posted on 04/30/2011 3:04:30 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Paul LePage / Allen Keyes 2012)
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To: Sweet Hour of Prayer

Well, she wasn’t giving him a love pat! Of course, she intended serious harm. Evil exists.

Time to strap her into an extra-large sized paint shaker and turn it on.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 3:05:34 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: mainestategop

“This is not a kid that has a mental health disorder. She does not have a personality disorder,”

It is the long term legacy of the “Great Society” and the short term legacy from when Clinton got away with perjury and and MTV dominated cable. An entire generation of bad parents — leads to a society filled with bad kids.


12 posted on 04/30/2011 3:10:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Hold on for a minute.All we know is what we’ve read.The facts may be completely different.There’s the possibility that the babysitter may be involved.


13 posted on 04/30/2011 3:12:38 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: mainestategop

I can picture Dottie. She probably weighs close to 300 lbs and waddles her way around. Annoyed as hell at little Heath Ryder for wanting a cookie or something in the middle of The View. It’s 1 thing to pick up a year old but you need quite a bit of strength to shake it violently in a protracted fashion which this was. Was the 9 year old girl strong enough/physically large enough? I’m not convinced.

Disgusting.


14 posted on 04/30/2011 3:13:05 PM PDT by Rytas
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To: mainestategop

Perhaps she treated the baby like she has been treated in the past. Maybe she didn’t know any better.


15 posted on 04/30/2011 3:14:46 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Farmer Dean

Very true, but whoever committed this horrible act is evil. I pray that the truth will be discovered.


16 posted on 04/30/2011 3:14:48 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

“I pray that the truth will be discovered.”
As do I,something like this is too important to make a mistake.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 3:20:01 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: mainestategop

“This is not a kid that has a mental health disorder. She does not have a personality disorder,” the girl’s attorney, Jason Kutulakis, told The Public Opinion of Chambersburg. “She is not a bad person. She has no history of behavioral problems or school problems.”

Uh, no— she’s just stark raving mad.


18 posted on 04/30/2011 3:38:27 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: mainestategop
“Shaken Baby Syndrome” is a crock:

http://www.minnpost.com/healthblog/2011/02/07/25545/shaken-baby-syndrome_article_raises_troubling_questions

But, good luck if a kid dies and the lynch mob is after you!.

19 posted on 04/30/2011 3:40:57 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Rytas

Dottie is a skinny older looking woman. I do not understand the 10 year old getting the murder charge.


20 posted on 04/30/2011 3:49:35 PM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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To: yldstrk

There were witnesses and the 10 year cooperated with investigators, but her attorney invoked her 5th amendment right when she was on the stand. Very little doubt that she’s responsible.


21 posted on 04/30/2011 4:00:29 PM PDT by Melas
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To: tsowellfan

I think so too especailly after learning that the babysitter called the Mom and told her there was something wrong with the baby but refused to call 911?


22 posted on 04/30/2011 4:03:12 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Melas

The witness was another little girl who could’ve been told to say that by the babysitter.Still not convinced that the girl did it.


23 posted on 04/30/2011 4:06:01 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: mainestategop
The victim, Heath Ryder:


24 posted on 04/30/2011 4:19:57 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Venturer; Rytas
Perhaps she treated the baby like she has been treated in the past. Maybe she didn’t know any better.

Very, very perceptive. Makes me wonder about the "witnesses." Was the 9 year old girl strong enough/physically large enough?

What does an 11-month old weigh? Say, roughly, 15 lbs. I have a 9 year old boy, and he's a tough, outdoorsy, athletic kid, and he would have a great deal of difficulty manhandling a 15-pound baby to death. And as for throwing the baby into a crib--while perched upon what, exactly??? I guess if the side guard is down it's possible, but the whole story stinks. On top of everything else, 11 months old isn't an age where fighting back is possible but it's also not helpless infancy. The baby would have been squirming, grabbing, kicking--not to mention screaming--this 9 year old girl must have been quite a strong little Amazon. And the babysitter stone deaf as well as grossly incompetent. If the story happened as it is being told.

But please, all you other freepers-- Continue to condemn a 9 year old, if that somehow makes you feel as if any kind of justice will come from this horrible situation.

25 posted on 04/30/2011 4:21:15 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: mainestategop

Lets see where all the “kill em!” freepers are with this one.


26 posted on 04/30/2011 4:27:09 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: mainestategop

Having just watched the movie the Bad Seed, a 50’s film about an amoral little girl who kills, this sounds awfully familiar.


27 posted on 04/30/2011 4:28:26 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: grellis

See any condemnations here? Nope. I agree with what was said above BTW. This was definitely suspicious.


28 posted on 04/30/2011 4:34:55 PM PDT by mainestategop (Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: yldstrk
I think the 56 year old is saving her own hide by blaming the 10 year old

9 years old at the time, shaking a baby to death then throwing it into a crib....,.,I'm not sure a 9 year old has that strength.....

I'm with you on this one....

29 posted on 04/30/2011 4:39:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (It's a beautiful day and I'm glad I can see it in color.......)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Time to strap her into an extra-large sized paint shaker and turn it on.”

Whom God would destroy He first makes angry. I don’t believe I’ve ever come across anyone quite as angry sounding as you. Good luck.


30 posted on 04/30/2011 5:01:58 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: mainestategop

So two girls were playing hot potato with this 11-month old baby (average 21 pounds) and the baby sitter didn’t hear a peep?

Does anyone actually believe this story? Then check out the actions of the sitter....

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/ci_17851866?source=most_viewed

Bopp testified that he was one of about 10 troopers to conduct more than 30 interviews for the investigation. He spoke with Bowers, who said she went to get the baby up from his post-lunch nap about 2:50 p.m. and discovered for the first time that something was wrong.

“She said she knew that he was in trouble and that he was in need of medical help,” he said.

Bopp testified that he checked that day’s phone records for Bowers and Shelly Ryder. He learned that the baby sitter called Ryder for the first time at 3:25 p.m., but the call went to voice mail. She then tried calling about 12 more times before reaching her at 3:37 p.m.

Bowers never called 911 that day, Bopp testified. The call for emergency assistance was placed from Ryder’s cell phone at 3:47 p.m. The baby sitter told police that she was “too scared to put Heath down” long enough to call 911.

Shelly Ryder told the jury that Bowers called her to tell her that her son could not be awakened and was breathing unusually. She asked the baby sitter repeatedly to call 911, but Bowers refused, Ryder testified.

“She said, ‘He’s fine. We don’t need 911 here,’” Ryder said.

When she got to Bowers’ house, Bowers was holding the limp baby. Ryder, a nurse who works in Chambersburg, said her son’s lips were blue. She quickly took him from the baby sitter and began mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Still, Bowers refused to call for help.

“I was yelling at her, ‘He’s dying, please help me. You have to call 911,’” Ryder said. “She just stood there and looked at me.”

Ryder testified she eventually stopped trying to resuscitate her baby so she could call 911 using her own cell phone.

Sobbing could be heard throughout the courtroom when Fogal played a recording of Ryder’s 911 call. “God, please hurry,” the hysterical mother said to the operator. As he attempted to calm her down and talk her through the situation, Shelly Ryder could be heard crying and saying, “come on, Heathy.”


31 posted on 04/30/2011 5:24:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: yldstrk

It is possible. But I have known a lot of 10 year old kids that were real assholes.


32 posted on 04/30/2011 5:40:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

>>It is possible. But I have known a lot of 10 year old kids that were real assholes.<<

I’m a school crossing guard. I have too. BUT, how many 9 year olds (the kid was 9) do you know that can launch a baby (not an infant, who can’t lift his own head but nearly a toddler) over the side of a crib with enough force to kill it?

The average weight of an 11 month old baby is 21 pounds.

AND, while she and the girl who testified against her were playing hot potato with this baby, where was the baby sitter and why wasn’t she supervising them?


33 posted on 04/30/2011 5:54:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: mainestategop
See any condemnations here?

Condemnations here, on this thread's comments? There are a few freepers here that I seriously doubt have ever had any interaction with a 9 year old. 3rd grade, for crying out loud! I spend a lot of time with my son's class and even considering the bigger kids I doubt the physical possibility of this, and I would never--could never--condemn a 9 year old as evil or worthy of “Time to strap her into an extra-large sized paint shaker and turn it on.” 9 is hardly old enough to really understand how death happens, or to grasp the finality of death.

I wasn't, and am not, referring to any of your comments as being too quick on the trigger.

34 posted on 04/30/2011 6:15:13 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Moonmad27

Clue...it was fiction.


35 posted on 04/30/2011 9:50:07 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: TalBlack

Not angry at all, but think what you will. At least I didn’t wish God’s wrath on someone.


36 posted on 05/01/2011 6:59:30 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
“Not angry at all, but think what you will. At least I didn’t wish God’s wrath on someone.

Here you demonstrate your anger. Instead of ruminating upon a warning you call it something it is not in order to use it to lash out. This will not serve you well. So go ahead, claim you are not overflowing with rage as you put the 9 yr old in the industrial sized paint shaker.(!)

37 posted on 05/05/2011 5:00:02 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

OK, one more time. I was not serious, but thanks for the warning.


38 posted on 05/10/2011 10:21:31 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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