Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
I am cute, but that’s not the point. My point is that on the day the Constitution was adopted, there was no naturalization process, therefore no naturalized citizens. Your position is that the grandfather clause was written to cover naturalized citizens. Since the grandfather clause only refers to the status of citizens on the day the Constitution was adopted, it couldn’t possibly be referring to naturalized citizens since the US had no naturalized citizens on that day. I never claimed that the founders never put a naturalization process in place. Don’t try to misrepresent what I said.
You tend to decide what you want, and then you only look at that which agrees with your position.
The majority of legal minds do not agree with you.
That does not make you wrong, but it does grant me a bit more respect than you seem willing to give.
Yes, I'm certain the legal scholars over at DU and DailyKOS agree with you. Perhaps you should report back to them on your success in hijacking Obama eligibility threads.
God Grant me the Serenity
To Accept the things
I can NOT change
The Courage
To change the things
I can
And the WISDOM
To know the difference!
I have spelled out reality to you. If you are an enemy of reality, than you never will be much of a strategist, in politics, war or the law!
I think you meant born in USA is a native born citizen. There is a higher standard for Natural Born Citizen.
My position is that if you are a Citizen at birth, you are a Natural Born Citizen.
However, I do not believe that we have to grant citizenship to everyone born on US Soil.
“Subject to the Jurisdiction thereof” would indicate that if divorce court or child custody court would be in a foreign country, you do not have to be granted Citizenship.
My Senator, Jerry Moran, agrees with me on this point, a simple act of Congress could correct that matter.
However, I do not believe that Natural Born Citizen means, today, any more than you were made a Citizen by virtue of your birth, automatically, under US Law at the time of your birth and at the moment of your birth.
I do not believe that a Naturalized Citizen can ever become President, under existing law.
Now, I am not a lawyer but I think I know as much about the issue as most Lawyers, and besides, if lawyers were always right we would not need court rooms, would we?
Those of you who insist that Obama can not be a Citizen due to his Father have already lost, that issue has been decided and it is over, for ever more.
Yes.. You are right. Logic (re: ozero’s Kenyan father) has lost the battle and we strive now for simple tyranny. The lawyers and black robed pols seem excited to get us there.
You have a lot to learn my friend....
We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The voters cannot overide the Consitution unless it is legally amended.
BOTH PARENTS have to be US Citizens or the child in not “NATURAL BORN”
I suggest you not talk down to me, I know the Constitution, and the law as well, if not better than you.
Please look at my profile. How many not lawyers when, representing themselves, in the Court of Appeals?
It is VERY MUCH in the power of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Courts.
It is VERY MUCH in the power of Congress to set the terms of who is and is not a Citizen of this country.
Natural Born Citizen = Citizen at Birth.
PERIOD!
You can wish it meant something else, but that battle has been lost and that fight is over for you.
Or at least, it should be.
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