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Attorneys Fly in to Aid Ramona Lawyer in Fight Over President's Eligibility
Ramona Patch ^ | 4/29/2011 | Julie Pendray

Posted on 05/01/2011 7:56:33 AM PDT by jdoug666

When he steps into the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Pasadena on Monday, he'll ask a panel of three judges for a chance to show evidence that the president of the United States isn't eligible for the job. He'll argue that Barack Obama wasn't born in this country and that the plaintiffs in his case—members of the American Independent Party—didn't get a fair shake in the 2008 presidential election.

(Excerpt) Read more at ramona.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 9thcircus; birthcertificate; certifigate; enoughalready; kreep; ninthcircuit; obama; wiley
The MSM have ignored the Wiley appeal. Should he prevail, Obama's ORIGINAL vital records would be subject to subpoena.
1 posted on 05/01/2011 7:56:37 AM PDT by jdoug666
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To: jdoug666; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; GregNH; faucetman; warsaw44; ColdOne; ...

AIP? No standing...


2 posted on 05/01/2011 8:06:11 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 829 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: jdoug666

bttt


3 posted on 05/01/2011 8:11:36 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: jdoug666
He'll argue that Barack Obama wasn't born in this country

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

4 posted on 05/01/2011 8:13:41 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

Give up. I am so p!$$ at this smoke screen about WHERE he was born when the big problem is “Who’s his Daddy”. If 90% of the posters here don’t get it, what is the point?


5 posted on 05/01/2011 8:21:20 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: jdoug666

Now that the so-called BC has been outed it should be subject to subpoena and intense scrutiny. IMHO. The 9th circus operates under its own rules however, so black is white and up is down in their left-sided world.


6 posted on 05/01/2011 8:24:12 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Gadsden1st

7 posted on 05/01/2011 8:25:33 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Gadsden1st

“WHERE he was born when the big problem is “Who’s his Daddy”. “

No kidding!
Just look at a side profile of the resident of the white hut and his supposed father Barrack.
There is no way those two are related.
It’s the ears, they do not change that much from father to son. No way. Also the skull shape is significantly different.
Where are the genetic scientists on this?


8 posted on 05/01/2011 8:31:42 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race. Obamacare is a crime)
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To: jdoug666

I think former Reagan era diplomat Alan Keyes is a party to this suit as well, which also challenges the SSN’s, etc.


9 posted on 05/01/2011 8:32:50 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: jdoug666

Alan Keyes Discusses Natural Born Citizen Issue - 4/21/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xTBTaaCYU


10 posted on 05/01/2011 8:37:11 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ASA Vet
Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Can u prove that in court? Otherwise, the vital records are the easier way to expose the usurper.

11 posted on 05/01/2011 8:43:32 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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12 posted on 05/01/2011 9:12:31 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: jdoug666

How ironic......

snip-”Perhaps it’s a good thing that the U.S. Senate didn’t take up a resolution on Barack Obama’s status as a “natural born Citizen” in 2008 – as members did for GOP candidate Sen. John McCain while both were seeking the U.S. presidency.

The Democrat might not have qualified under the requirements the Senate, including Obama, a co-sponsor and then-senator, put in the resolution, including the demand that the candidate have “American citizen” parents.”

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292901


13 posted on 05/01/2011 10:02:16 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Don Corleone

A certified COLB as generated by the DOH of Hawaii with the required embossed, signed and dated seal of the DOH has not been released.

All he provided was a copy of something and a scan of something - both of which have no value certification-wise.

We still have not seen a certified copy of his COLB...and he never will release one voluntarily.

Period.

=8-)


14 posted on 05/01/2011 10:07:16 AM PDT by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: 9422WMR
The shape of his head is exactly like Ann's father.

I now believe the intention of his "Dreams" book was "propaganda". He never knew his father....so the book makes absolutely no sense. Obama said he learned about him from others?? No one else knew him either.

The American people have been duped and Obama should be impeached...it's called Lying under oath....

Impeach! Impeach!

15 posted on 05/01/2011 10:07:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jdoug666

ping


16 posted on 05/01/2011 10:11:51 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
"I will side with the Muslims....

No matter how you cut it...That's treason. And the oath he took.....meant nothing.

17 posted on 05/01/2011 10:16:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; seekthetruth; ...

At least the 9th circus will apparently hear oral arguments tomorrow, but it IS the wacky lib 9th circus.

Headline = misleading

“No,” he said Thursday afternoon, as he prepared to spend the weekend working with three other attorneys who are flying in to help him prepare for Monday.

He declined to give their names. He did say, however, that a forensic expert in documents, Sandra Lines, will fly in from Arizona.”


18 posted on 05/01/2011 10:29:39 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: jdoug666
9th U.S. Circuit Court

The worst court in the country.

19 posted on 05/01/2011 10:31:40 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: STARWISE

Here are the names of two of the Democrat appointed liberal judges who will be presiding tomorrow.

Marsha S. Berzon and Dean D. Pregerson


20 posted on 05/01/2011 10:43:35 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jdoug666
From the article: "The judge ruled that the federal trial court doesn't have jurisdiction to rule on the eligibility issue."

Isn't the appeal simply about jurisdiction. Unless they can convince the appeals court that the federal court system has jurisdiction in this matter, evidence on the merits of the case itself is not material.

21 posted on 05/01/2011 11:26:50 AM PDT by etcb
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To: Red Steel; All

Did you see this quote from Gary Kreep?

“He said he traveled to Pakistan in the 1980s, but on what kind of passport? He said he didn’t have a U.S. passport until he was senator in 2004,” Kreep said.


22 posted on 05/01/2011 11:31:27 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Did you see this quote from Gary Kreep?

No. If that's true, Obama in his thirties and possibly into his forties was traveling as a foreigner should be game set match. Buh bye Obama.

23 posted on 05/01/2011 11:35:49 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hotlanta Mike
“He said he traveled to Pakistan in the 1980s, but on what kind of passport? He said he didn’t have a U.S. passport until he was senator in 2004,” Kreep said.

Excellent quotes and YES, BO should be asked about them. What I would like to see is a concerted effort to point out all the "inconsistencies" and have an all out assault on the lack of media integrity. Show the media for the lap dogs they are, question their professionalism, and ask why there is no 'Woodward and Bernsteins' left in this world. Keep pointing the finger at the worthless press. Some members of the media might step up to the plate, and the public may start looking at the media with a little more disdain. If done right, with the right questionable quotes/issues, the media can be made to look real stupid. And keep asking the questions Why wasn't this looked into prior to the last election? When is the media going to start doing their job?

24 posted on 05/01/2011 11:46:44 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Red Steel

No. If that’s true, Obama in his thirties and possibly into his forties was traveling as a foreigner should be game set match. Buh bye Obama.


Ken Allen’s lawsuit in relation to his denied FOIA requests for Barry Soetoro’s immigration and passport records may be the treasure trove of truth.

Also, SAD’s passport/immigration records would produce valuable information no doubt.


25 posted on 05/01/2011 12:11:11 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: STARWISE
A comment and thought from CDR Kerchner (Ret) on the "assembled" PDF document put out on the internet by Obama:

While this whole "assembled" PDF document the White House put out could be a ruse and trap to further embarrass the "birthers" as Mario considered in his new article, I had another thought. What's to say that the copies given to Obama's lawyer sent to Hawaii, and attested to by Hawaiian officials, actually show the same information on those two paper copies that is now being displayed on the internet in this very badly assembled PDF document.

As I recall the former HI director when interviewed in recent weeks, she said when she saw the alleged original Obama birth registration document she said it was half typed and half hand written. What we are being shown on the net is something that is entirely typed except for the signatures. That does not comport with what the former HI Health Dept Director said.

What if the Obama powers sent the lawyer to Hawaii to provide the necessary cover story that they did get two copies of the Obama vital record there ... but the image on the net now is NOT of the paper copies that they picked up ... say because there is something on it that Obama still does not wish to reveal. So he has a version cooked up once again to put online, and someone screwed up and did not flatten the PDF file prior to release to hide the layers. Would Hawaii officials speak up to affirm or deny that what Obama put on the net is not an image of the copy of what they gave to Obama's lawyer. Or would they keep silent in much the same way they did regarding the Certification document, the short form images on the net since Jun 2008. Remember that Hawaii never confirmed that any of those images on the net were copies of something that they issued. Hawaii has been very willing to cooperate with Obama's stonewalling and game playing regarding the vital records in HI for Obama. And, Obama is playing such a cat and mouse game with the American electorate about all his hidden records that one can never tell with him as to what is real or what is memorex. It is a disgrace how this administration is treating the American citizenry. And the main stream media does not call him out on this and instead helps and enables Obama to conduct such offensive disinformation tactics on the American electorate. Journalism no longer exists in this nation. The media should be ashamed.

26 posted on 05/01/2011 12:34:31 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Golden Eagle; All
Alan's right that the question of "Natural Born Citizen" needs to be settled.

The usual place for these questions is the courts. The courts, however, seem to be increasingly reluctant to take on these tough "political" issues particularly after the fallout from Paula Jones lawsuit (leading to impeachment) and Bush vs Gore. It's why they are hired and yet they are cowed. As Justice Scalia said, "It takes four."

At this point my belief is SCOTUS would go so far as to say a dual citizen could occupy the office so long as he or she didn't do the things the State Dept says constitutes renouncing U.S. citizenship. I think being an officer in a foreign military is one.

I don't agree it's a good standard for our country's highest office but I suspect it's the one they'd set: excluding only those never citizens, naturalized citizens and those who fit criteria of having formally renounced their U.S. citizenship as willy-nilly determined by State Dept policy. The end result: Obama is, was and will be president.

They will not want to be responsible for determining the first elected black president's eligibility for office. Even if they ultimately decided jus soli is sufficient or any birthright U.S. citizenship fit the "Natural Born Citizen" criteria, there is fear.

Keyes makes a good point that elections don't determine constitutionality. Certainly we know the Left believes that from their endless suits against voter approved constitutional amendments like CA's Prop 22 defining marriage. In this case the Left may argue instead no one has standing (a tactic being used against Prop 22), it's a question for impeachment not the courts, it was settled by Congress' certification, etc.

The cowardice in our institutions is appalling! It's impossible to imagine the same institution dared to buck segregation, for example. Or that we were able to win WWII. Or many examples of past greatness. For those in their 40s or younger such courage must seem like legend, not history.

27 posted on 05/01/2011 1:37:23 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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Nothing is impossible to create nor too perverse, depraved or borderline or actual criminal action with these cretins.

Why does Kreep make no mention of the Founders’ writings and intent .. AND THEWON’S DUAL ALLEGIANCE TO THE USA VIRTUE OF HIS STATED PATERNITY ???

(Unless it’ll be a stealth hearing issue he’ll raise)

BEYOND FRUSTRATING WITH THESE SO-CALLED ATTORNEYS ~~~!!!

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On the topic - sideways: the loudmouth fool, Serrano .. AGAIN!

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Justice Breyer Enters Birther Debate
By Paul Bedard
Posted: April 27, 2011

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There are that if those who question President Obama’s American birth, like Donald Trump, get a case before the U.S. Supreme Court, there could be a lively and unpredictable debate.

At a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing this month, Justice Stephen Breyer waded into the white-hot discussion of whether those born outside the 50 states can be president.

His comments came when Bronx Rep. Jose Serrano, a Democrat and Puerto Rico native, asked if he could be president.

“That still hasn’t been settled,” Serrano said. “Does the person get aggrieved [and sue] at the time I declare my candidacy, or do I have to be elected first?”

Breyer took the bait. “Why would anyone be aggrieved if you were running for president? Wouldn’t they be pleased?” he said before quoting the Constitution: “It says no person except a natural-born citizen. Well?”

Serrano chimed in, “I’m a natural born citizen.”

Breyer: “OK.”

A gleeful Serrano: “I can’t believe we just had a Supreme Court decision.”

A vague Breyer: “Well, you said you are a natural-born citizen.”

Serrano said, “Well that’s what I believe I am,” before assuring the hearing room that he would not make a primary challenge to Obama in 2012.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/04/27/justice-breyer-enters-birther-debate

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From Rules for Radicals = Alinsky

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1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time....”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’...

“...any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...’

“One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”

On ethics

“Alinsky’s second chapter, called Of Means and Ends, craftily poses many difficult moral dilemmas, and his ‘tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends’ is:

‘you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments.’

He doesn’t ignore traditional moral standards or dismiss them as unnecessary. He is much more devious; he teaches his followers that

‘Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.’...

More here
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm


28 posted on 05/01/2011 1:47:18 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Gadsden1st
>>Give up. I am so p!$$ at this smoke screen about WHERE he was born when the big problem is “Who’s his Daddy”. If 90% of the posters here don’t get it, what is the point?<<

Are you so dense as to not understand that by getting the “real” long form BC showing where he was born also includes who his father and mother really are? Do you not realize that by finding out where he was born we can find out where the birth certificate is and prove who his father and mother are? If either the born in country or the birth father truly is not an American and we can prove it we have a case. Get over you better then thow attitude and understand if we don’t have the real BC you can’t prove who his father is.

29 posted on 05/01/2011 1:56:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: STARWISE
Don't forget this gem.....Clarence Thomas "we're evading that one"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu6OiTiua08

30 posted on 05/01/2011 2:10:49 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: shield

wow great post a lot to think about there.


31 posted on 05/01/2011 3:30:50 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; STARWISE

Thomas is a wordsmith. Evading has a second meaning: IIRC studying deeply. But I can’t find the really BIG dictionary where I found it.


32 posted on 05/01/2011 3:43:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: newzjunkey
The usual place for these questions is the courts. The courts, however, seem to be increasingly reluctant to take on these tough "political" issues particularly after the fallout from Paula Jones lawsuit (leading to impeachment) and Bush vs Gore. It's why they are hired and yet they are cowed.

An astute observation, indeed. I'll admit it's one of the top three or so main reasons I support the birther movement myself, as it won't take too much of a fishing expedition to turn up some real important goods on this jack wagon. First and foremost of course, is limiting those with questions as great as Obama's to a maximum of his one first term.

At this point my belief is SCOTUS would go so far as to say a dual citizen could occupy the office so long as he or she didn't do the things the State Dept says constitutes renouncing U.S. citizenship. I think being an officer in a foreign military is one.

Unfortunately true. America these days is so politically correct, and afraid afraid afraid of ever speaking the truth we're on the verge of being doomed to a heartless, brainless future controlled by real life Wizards of Oz.

They will not want to be responsible for determining the first elected black president's eligibility for office...The cowardice in our institutions is appalling!

Ultimately our hope appears to be reduced to seeing if the states can retain control of the eligibility requirements for their own state ballots. Unfortunately, a slippery slope within itself.

It's impossible to imagine the same institution dared to buck segregation, for example. Or that we were able to win WWII. Or many examples of past greatness. For those in their 40s or younger such courage must seem like legend, not history.

I'm just glad my father isn't around to see this, he and his kind certainly deserved better than what the modern day politicians have done to this country in such a short time. And unless we go back to the original limitations on who can vote that our forefathers put in the original Constitution, starting with the requirement that only property owners can vote, which is of course unlikely, there's unfortunately no end to the madness in sight.

33 posted on 05/01/2011 5:03:51 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: STARWISE; justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Thanks STARWISE.


34 posted on 05/01/2011 5:50:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: jdoug666
"He said he traveled to Pakistan in the 1980s, but on what kind of passport? He said he didn't have a U.S. passport until he was senator in 2004,” Kreep said.
35 posted on 05/01/2011 5:59:23 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: jdoug666

He is a black prince, and I don’t mean his skin color. I have a nagging doubt that he even really is a black man out of Africa. Somebody needs to get a hold of his DNA.


36 posted on 05/01/2011 6:14:27 PM PDT by Bellflower (Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said [to be] bountiful.)
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