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California Prison Academy: Better Than a Harvard Degree
Wall Street Journal online ^ | * APRIL 30, 2011 | ALLYSIA FINLEY

Posted on 05/01/2011 8:12:29 AM PDT by unique

Prison guards can retire at the age of 55 and earn 85% of their final year's salary for the rest of their lives. They also continue to receive medical benefits.

As a California prison guard, you can make six figures in overtime and bonuses alone. While Harvard-educated lawyers and consultants often have to work long hours with little recompense besides Chinese take-out, prison guards receive time-and-a-half whenever they work more than 40 hours a week. One sergeant with a base salary of $81,683 collected $114,334 in overtime and $8,648 in bonuses last year, and he's not even the highest paid.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: prisons; unions
Hmmm.......sounds like great benefits, but watch you back!
1 posted on 05/01/2011 8:12:33 AM PDT by unique
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To: unique

If anyone thinks that is an easy way to make money they are ill informed.


2 posted on 05/01/2011 8:14:32 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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To: unique

Legalized theft. The politicians who signed off on the mechanisms that allow these packages to come about should be in prison for life.


3 posted on 05/01/2011 8:17:21 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Iron Munro
[ If anyone thinks that is an easy way to make money they are ill informed. ]

EASY!.. no one said it was easy just that the bennys are obscene.. and that the Union that represents them is corrupt..

ALL public sector Unions are corrupt.. politically and probably in other ways as well.. Not to say they are democrat run organized and goon driven.. And they OWN any elected democrat.. and a few republicans too..

4 posted on 05/01/2011 8:22:28 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Iron Munro

You betcha! You couldn’t entice me into that job for three times that pay.


5 posted on 05/01/2011 8:22:57 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: unique

Most of the stuff I learned about prison were from watching OZ’. Had a former apt manager, a prison guard retiree and the stuff I saw on Oz was just the tip of the iceberg.


6 posted on 05/01/2011 8:27:34 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: unique

“While Harvard-educated lawyers and consultants often have to work long hours with little recompense besides Chinese take-out”

WTF. Being Harvard educated means that you should get an easier ride than others? You couldn’t pay me enough to be a prison guard.


7 posted on 05/01/2011 8:29:08 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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8 posted on 05/01/2011 8:35:09 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: unique

And you work with a better class of people. Which is nice.


9 posted on 05/01/2011 8:35:22 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: unique

I guess I can get why a prison guard can make some good money seeing that your life is in danger having to babysit some of the worst offenders.

But 85% of your salary at retirement + Medical benefits??

Enough guys getting that and you are basically paying the equal of 1/2 of the workforce now to not actually preform a service.


10 posted on 05/01/2011 8:40:49 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: unique

I’ll tell you what I don’t like about these kind of articles. They focus too much on the working man, the sergeant in this case.

Is it unethical to take a job with good benefits? Is it unethical to put in overtime?

No. It’s the politicians - and only the politicians - at fault here.

Sure, the system needs to be fixed, and soon. But such articles need to focus more on who set up these benefits, not on who is legally receiving them.


11 posted on 05/01/2011 8:43:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: unique

Pay issues aside, CO’s want to keep the animals inside, lawyers want them outside so they can reoffend. Frequent offenders equal frequent paychecks for attorneys; defense, prosecutor and judge. (All attorneys)

Sympathy can be found in the dictionary between a crude word for fecal matter and syphilis.


12 posted on 05/01/2011 8:53:11 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: sand88

I wouldn’t do that job 200K per year. No friggin’ way. Good on ‘em.


13 posted on 05/01/2011 8:58:30 AM PDT by Mathews (Ambition, absent a moral compass, is naked destruction.)
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To: unique
One sergeant with a base salary of $81,683 collected $114,334 in overtime and $8,648 in bonuses last year, and he's not even the highest paid.

That is huge.

That comes out to 1941 hours of overtime. That is almost another work year (2080 hours).

Not really unusual in the regular industrial work place really. My father worked 7 twelve hour days a week for several years in a foundry. That comes out to 1664 overtime hours per year.

But my father worked till he was 65 and got no medical benefits and only a minimal pension.

14 posted on 05/01/2011 9:00:44 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: max americana
Lots and lots of prison guards and "wardens" don't make it to 55 in that occupation.

The stress is immense, and then there's always a good probability you will "make enemies" ~ which pretty much requires getting a different job.

It's not an easy way to make the big bucks and it has a substantial price.

15 posted on 05/01/2011 9:03:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sand88

Outrageous public-employee pension obligations

Want to know the single biggest reason why New York City is thinking about laying off thousands of teachers, jacking up parking meter fees and scaling back fire protection?

The answer boils down to one word: pensions.

(Excerpt)

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/12/12/2010-12-12_its_the_pensions_stupid.html


“No municipality will sustain more damage than New York City, which next year faces a mind-boggling pension tab of $8.35 billion - a 19% increase in one year “

California has the 8th largest economy in the world, and yet 80% of every dime they spend is on salaries, benefits, and pensions.
These public employee unions will eventually bring all of the States down.

“How public-sector unions broke California”

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html


16 posted on 05/01/2011 9:15:13 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Leaning Right

Thats right don’t take it out on the screws.Don’t forget these guys work most every holiday and weekened.
While most people are watching their kids open up christmas on Xmas day.These guys are trying to stop Jose from opening up Leroy in the chow hall.
One of the highest rates of suicide, divorce ,alchohol, drug abuse and early mortality are some of the other benefits.


17 posted on 05/01/2011 9:16:39 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: Leaning Right

Good point.


18 posted on 05/01/2011 9:19:12 AM PDT by unique
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To: WOBBLY BOB

California has more people in prison than any COUNTRY in the world...


19 posted on 05/01/2011 9:21:34 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: VanDeKoik
But 85% of your salary at retirement + Medical benefits??

At 55! So, we pay it for 20+ years - guaranteed! That's just not available to the working man in the private sector.

20 posted on 05/01/2011 9:22:38 AM PDT by unique
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To: unique

Yes, but if you’re mixed-race, arriving and attending under mysterious and anonymous and unrecorded unpublicized circumstances, you have the chance to Elmer Gantry your way into a presidency....beats a great pension anytime.


21 posted on 05/01/2011 9:24:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
You couldn’t entice me into that job for three times that pay.

The question is could you entice enough qualified applicants at half the pay? Time to privatize the whole system

22 posted on 05/01/2011 9:30:21 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Leaning Right
But such articles need to focus more on who set up these benefits, not on who is legally receiving them.

So I can assume you will post the same sentiments on the next teacher-bashing thread?

23 posted on 05/01/2011 9:34:09 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: unique

Some California prison guards have been busted for selling smokes for $100.00 a pack wonder what they get for drugs?.


24 posted on 05/01/2011 9:41:07 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Pontiac
Not all of their overtime is 1 1/2. You are forgetting double and triple time pay.
25 posted on 05/01/2011 9:41:44 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: unique
I'm sure it's a great job!


26 posted on 05/01/2011 9:42:27 AM PDT by stormer
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To: unique
No one sees the problem here. It is an inherent conflict of interest for politicians to set pay and benefits for those who donate to their campaigns and elect them to office. Can you think of anything remotely similar in the private sector? If you work in the private sector, when is the last time you got to decide who your boss was? When was the last time you slipped an envelope in your boss' pocket stuffed with cash with the implicit expectation of reaping an increased salary or better benefits?
27 posted on 05/01/2011 9:46:45 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: Beagle8U
You are forgetting double and triple time pay.

You may be correct but the article states:

prison guards receive time-and-a-half whenever they work more than 40 hours a week.

28 posted on 05/01/2011 10:10:57 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: stormer

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29 posted on 05/01/2011 10:33:22 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

LOL


30 posted on 05/01/2011 10:40:22 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Rockitz

BINGO, of course!

What about a citizens committee - non partisan (if that’s possible) to decide/negotiate pay and benefits covering public sector employees?

The ironic thing is that most public sector employees in CA have a similar deal, even those not involved in law enforcement. Paying un-accrued benefits for 20-25 years is way over the top!


31 posted on 05/01/2011 10:46:03 AM PDT by unique
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

And 30% or more probably are illegal aliens we now get to food ,clothe and medicate...


32 posted on 05/01/2011 10:55:32 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Pontiac
If it is like most big unions, yes, they get time and one half over 40 hours. But they also get 1 1/2 for anything over 8 hr in a day and all time worked on Saturday, and double time for everything over 8 hr on Saturday and all time worked on Sunday and holidays.

The way the game is played...Schedule your vacation for Monday -Friday. Work 12 hrs on Saturday and Sunday and get paid for the week......84 hours pay for working 24.

Work a double shift on a holiday and get 40 hrs pay for that one day, tack 6 days vacation on the week of that holiday and get 80 hours pay for working one day.

Now figure in the fact that they may get 6-8 weeks vacation to play that game with and you can get an extra month or two of pay pretty easy.

33 posted on 05/01/2011 11:20:33 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Semper911
So I can assume you will post the same sentiments on the next teacher-bashing thread?

Yes, absolutely. I hold no grudge against people doing an honest day's work for their agreed-upon compensation.

If however the thread bashes the school boards instead, then more power to the bashers.

34 posted on 05/01/2011 11:36:56 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Iron Munro

Ahh The next CO union depend is for easier.

Already the CO’s on first watch sleep.

Do they need comfort select mattresses?


35 posted on 05/01/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Race? Obama is only 1/16th Black. He is 1/2 Caucasion, 7/16 Arab. He has an Arab name not African.)
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To: Leaning Right
If however the thread bashes the school boards instead, then more power to the bashers.

Agreed.

36 posted on 05/01/2011 12:52:38 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: unique

Here in Cali it’s not just the prison guards that have sweet deals. Our Fire Chief just retired at 51 with a $100k “increase” in his annual take home due to the pension setup. This guy and his spouse will get $286k per year for starters ( and it is indexed for inflation ) plus lifetime health care. If he lives to 80, and that’s a good bet with his “cadillac healthcare,” he will cost us between $8 & $9 million in pension costs alone! His deputy chief has also just retired with a similar payout at a similar age. Do the math, these benefits are not sustainable. Our worthless first police chief retired 10 years ago. He never made more than $60k, but his pension today is $128,600 (it’s a matter of public record) and this jerk is on the board of the Fire District that doled out the above-mentioned pensions. The whole thing is a disgrace!


37 posted on 05/01/2011 1:26:24 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: paul51
I'm sure you could entice This Crowd for half the pay!
38 posted on 05/01/2011 1:32:29 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Beagle8U
Yes I realize how employees can work the OT pay scale to their advantage.

I work for a company with a very old Union where the some of the workers routinely out earn their supervisors year after year.

But the article says what it says, so not being familiar with California’s prison system or the union agreements there I made some simple calculations.

For all I know each prison could have there own local and own pay scales.

39 posted on 05/01/2011 1:38:44 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: vette6387

Yes, the local firefighters are another group that have it made with pensions, along with CAL Fire.

That’s why if Brown puts a tax increase on the ballet it should be rejected as he hasn’t dealt with the public employee benefits issue or provided for a way for local entities to deal with public pensions, etc.

I suppose in the old days, perhaps public employees were actually considered ‘public servants’, sort of like teachers in the day - low pay, low benefits - working to serve the public as its own reward - well, something happened along the way.

On the other hand, in CA it seems like we are screwed given the political climate.


40 posted on 05/01/2011 1:58:49 PM PDT by unique
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To: Iron Munro

If anyone thinks that is an easy way to make money they are ill informed.

I 100% agree. My dad is a conservative and has worked at a prison for the last 10 years...and has hated every minute of it. He has more red tape to go through than anyone else I’ve known.

There are times when he bitches and moans about this or that paycut, or political b.s., but now and then he says something to the effect of “I chose to work here, so I guess I should be thankful”.


41 posted on 05/01/2011 10:24:36 PM PDT by 1st I.D Vet
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To: VanDeKoik
I can get why a prison guard can make some good money seeing that your life is in danger having to babysit some of the worst offenders.

Having to baby sit a bunch of impulsive sociopaths is worth 'good money'... You're right on that.

42 posted on 05/02/2011 8:45:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Understanding the Koran: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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