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UK Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car (Kentucky)
gunowners.org ^ | 27 April, 2011 | GOA

Posted on 05/01/2011 9:02:05 AM PDT by marktwain

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Fire someone because they are exercising their Constitutional rights a mile away from your government establishment. Whoever made that decision should be paying him for the next 50 years.
1 posted on 05/01/2011 9:02:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sounds like the University of Kentucky has too much taxpayers money. That should be fixed for the commies.


2 posted on 05/01/2011 9:09:13 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain
"Michael Mitchell, for keeping a gun in his car a mile away from the university hospital where he was employed."

The article doesn't say, but I'm assuming that wherever his car was, it was not on school property (considering it was a mile away). Is that correct that he wasn't parked on school property?

If so, the case seems simple to decide given the context of the more recent Supreme Court rulings, and he'll win easily. If not, it probably becomes a bit more complicated. Even with Heller & McDonald, the Court carves out exceptions for "sensitive" places like schools.

3 posted on 05/01/2011 9:09:41 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: marktwain
More proof that our "higher" education schools (indoctrination centers) are soaked up to the brain in liberal, emotional, anti-logical, chicken shat.
4 posted on 05/01/2011 9:11:26 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: marktwain

No mention of a civil suit. I hope Mitchell sues UK.

UK took this action because they thought they were about the law and could get away with it. Time to fix that.


5 posted on 05/01/2011 9:14:00 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Get the BO out of the Executive Mansion.)
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To: marktwain

When did Pennsyltucky go Left?

Next they’ll be banning Bourbon and Cigars


6 posted on 05/01/2011 9:20:31 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: OldDeckHand

For the life of me, I can’t understand why we aren’t allowed to protect ourselves at work, schools, churches and gubmint buildings.


7 posted on 05/01/2011 9:23:10 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: marktwain

I got fired for the same thing in 2001 while working for a major bank. They found out I had a gun in my car and 3 weeks later I was gone.


8 posted on 05/01/2011 9:24:00 AM PDT by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: OldDeckHand
“Criminals go where there's no pressure on them... and the easier it is, the more bold they will become.”

~ Lt. Robert Weisskopf, head of the Chicago police lieutenants’ union, as quoted on msnbc DEC2010.

9 posted on 05/01/2011 9:24:10 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: School of Rational Thought
I hope Mitchell sues UK.

As long as it isn't passed on to the citizens, I hope he owns them.

Hmmmm. UMM. The Univerisity of Michael Mitchell, featuring the Michael Mitchell Wildcats...

10 posted on 05/01/2011 9:24:40 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: marktwain

Time for a lawsuit.


11 posted on 05/01/2011 9:27:15 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: LRS
The embarrassment of a lawsuit will help. Especially, how quickly and widespread news travels these days.
12 posted on 05/01/2011 9:31:18 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: LRS

Yup. Criminals are deviates but they aren’t necessarily stupid. Some are quite clever.

They are often masters at gaming the system.


13 posted on 05/01/2011 9:31:44 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

nose of the camel in the tent syndrome = firearms confiscation creep


14 posted on 05/01/2011 9:34:29 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: marktwain

As long as this story is complete then Mr Mitchell ought to be retiring soon! I hope he bankrupts them!


15 posted on 05/01/2011 9:35:13 AM PDT by melsec
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To: marktwain

We who still believe in the Constitution must understand that only the rules and laws of LIBERALISM have any actual standing today. Until the Republicans we elect to defend our nation and liberty begin to do their JOBS, it will never change.


16 posted on 05/01/2011 9:38:26 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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“Even with Heller & McDonald, the Court carves out exceptions for “sensitive” places like schools.”

ODH, ever heard a cogent explanation as to why carrying a concealed weapon is more dangerous in these “sensitive” places than, say, leaving it in your car a mile away?

Colonel, USAFR


17 posted on 05/01/2011 9:38:31 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: marktwain

I thought folks in Kentucky were a little more sane than this...


18 posted on 05/01/2011 9:40:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: melsec

complete??? there is no pertinent info.....whose property was the car on??? how did the school come to find out???? who writes this $h!t......


19 posted on 05/01/2011 9:43:35 AM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: jagusafr
"ODH, ever heard a cogent explanation as to why carrying a concealed weapon is more dangerous in these “sensitive” places than, say, leaving it in your car a mile away?"

I'm not defending the logic (or more correctly - illogic) of UK's gun policy. I'm just saying that as a matter of law, plaintiff's case is wanting (at best) if he was actually parked on University property. If he didn't park on University property, he probably prevails on appeal. If he did park on University property, he likely doesn't. That's all I'm saying.

20 posted on 05/01/2011 9:46:19 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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"complete??? there is no pertinent info.....whose property was the car on??? how did the school come to find out???? who writes this $h!t......"

Journalism majors from lib universities like U.K.

As an aside, the Army wanted my brother to get his Master's degree and he considered UK, but got the distinct impression that the people in charge in that dept. didn't care much for the military. He got his Master's degree elsewhere.

21 posted on 05/01/2011 9:52:32 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: OldDeckHand

“The article doesn’t say, but I’m assuming that wherever his car was, it was not on school property (considering it was a mile away). Is that correct that he wasn’t parked on school property?”

I have a BIG PROBLEM with the article just for that reason. I have no clue where he parked and who owned the land or any any other context. I feel like they’re trying to manipulate my feelings towards this. The issue of whose property he’s on is absolutely critical. If the car is on non-university property, then it’s open and shut, no need for even mentioning the Second Amendment. If it’s on UK property, then it becomes and interesting Constitutional debate.


22 posted on 05/01/2011 9:54:44 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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23 posted on 05/01/2011 9:56:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: marktwain
It also matters whether Kentucky is an at-will employment state. If so, while you can't be fired for an illegal reason like race or sex or age, you can be fired for any other reason. Your employer could forbid you to own a gun, or smoke a cigarette, in your own home, and fire your ass for doing so without any repercussions. Which is his right, of course. I wouldn't want it any other way. Start your own company if you don;t like it.
24 posted on 05/01/2011 10:26:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I understand your point. I was genuinely interested in whether you’ve seen a non-touchy-feely defense of “sensitive” locations. Seems to me my kid’s school and my church are safer places to be when I’m carrying my weapon. And (I have to add) Ft Hood would have been a safer place if somebody besides Hassan had been carrying...

Colonel, USAFR


25 posted on 05/01/2011 10:33:12 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: BobL

I have the same problem. Very poor journalism. Whether his car was on UK property is a KEY point. We can’t have an informed debate on this story without knowing that. Makes me a little suspicious.

When I got my CCDW here in KY, it was beaten into our heads that we had to be responsible for knowing where the law prohibited CC. Whether we agree with the banned locations, the reality is that we have to deal with it.

Still, I have to wonder that the UK campus extends out more than one mile. Seems unlikely.

Ah, facts! Harder to come by than hen’s teeth here in the “information age”.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 10:36:40 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: jagusafr
"I was genuinely interested in whether you’ve seen a non-touchy-feely defense of “sensitive” locations."

No, I can't say that I have.

27 posted on 05/01/2011 10:46:10 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: is_is

Well I did mean if there were no other circumstances that actually got him fired!’’

Cheers

Mel


28 posted on 05/01/2011 10:47:27 AM PDT by melsec
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To: marktwain
All this, despite the fact that Mitchell had a Kentucky concealed carry permit, believed he had fully complied with Kentucky law governing concealed carry, and therefore cooperated fully with police and university authorities.

Mr Mitchell has learned why you never talk to the police.

29 posted on 05/01/2011 10:52:25 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: HighWheeler

Perhaps Michael as the new owner will correct some of these educational deficiencies.


30 posted on 05/01/2011 11:29:56 AM PDT by mcshot ("..of the people, by the people, for the people..." but we aren't "his people".)
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What?? This?? In KY????


31 posted on 05/01/2011 11:36:52 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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"What?? This?? In KY????"

Is there a college or university anywhere in the U.S. that isn't completely dominated by libs?

32 posted on 05/01/2011 11:49:00 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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They found out I had a gun in my car...

Out of cuiosity, how did they find out? Same question applies to the Kentucky guy as well.

33 posted on 05/01/2011 11:59:42 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Flag_This

Maybe not Hillsdale College...but I understand your point.


34 posted on 05/01/2011 12:15:04 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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How did they find out he had a gun in his car, when his car wasn’t parked on University property?


35 posted on 05/01/2011 12:35:34 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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“Makes me a little suspicious.”

Me too. As to extending out a mile, it doesn’t have to be contiguous, it may just be several buildings out there, or a remote (and cheaper) parking lot. From there he may walk or hop a bus.

But we all have to speculate, since they didn’t bother EXPLAINING where he parked.

And, of course, you other point is valid...you have to comply with the law, like it or not...unless you want to be test case. But if that’s your intent, it’s a heck of a big risk. And there are other options...such as getting with the legislature and fixing the law.


36 posted on 05/01/2011 12:52:17 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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On surprise here, being a university. I bet Ashley Judd is having an orgasm because of this news.


37 posted on 05/01/2011 1:05:14 PM PDT by llano2
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To: OldDeckHand; marktwain
The article doesn't say, but I'm assuming that wherever his car was, it was not on school property (considering it was a mile away). Is that correct that he wasn't parked on school property?

I checked. According to some other articles Mitchell's car was parked "in the student parking lot at Commonwealth Stadium". Apparently Commonwealth Stadium is a University of Kentucky facility. To not mention this in the article, while making a big point about how the car was a mile away from Mitchell's work location, is misleading.

I'm not saying that Mitchell doesn't have a good case.

38 posted on 05/01/2011 1:17:41 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: BobL; ChildOfThe60s

See #38.


39 posted on 05/01/2011 1:20:29 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Slings and Arrows

“Never”?

That is a bit harsh, as I can easily think of many reasons when you should talk to the police; witness to a murder, rape or robbery, witnessing someone run down a family member, etc, you get the picture.

I get your point but think it best to qualify your remark as “never” is really not your position.


40 posted on 05/01/2011 1:33:10 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: wideminded

Mucho thanks (a little Spanish Lingo).

I suspected something like that. We get dicked around enough by the liberal media, we sure as hell don’t need our media doing the same.

As to the Constitutional end, my sympathies are gone on this one...if I’m not fed straight information (from what is supposed to be a friendly source), I don’t really care what happens.


41 posted on 05/01/2011 1:41:48 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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"I'm not saying that Mitchell doesn't have a good case."

I'll say it - he doesn't have a very strong case, at least on its face. Courts have given wide latitude to employers, and especially schools & universities, with respect to creating the (largely fictitious) "safe working environment". Heller and McDonald haven't done anything to limit those employer protections, even if the employer is the state of KY.

Personally, (at a minimum) I think the court should carve out some safe-harbor exceptions for people - like this man - who are licensed to carry, to keep their firearms safely locked in their vehicles even if those vehicles are on school property. Maybe this can be an angle that he attacks.

42 posted on 05/01/2011 1:44:11 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Hulka; Slings and Arrows
"That is a bit harsh, as I can easily think of many reasons when you should talk to the police..."

I would not recommend that any client of mine speak to police outside the presence of their laywer, and certainly NEVER completely absent assistance of counsel.

There are too many people in prison today who thought they were "doing the right thing" in speaking to police, perhaps as a cooperating witness, perhaps as something else, that eventually found themselves indicted and then convicted of a crime they didn't commit. It happens, and it wouldn't be hyperbolic to say it happens all the time.

Men died for your right to remain silent, and we should honor their sacrifice by exercising that right, always.

43 posted on 05/01/2011 1:48:52 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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Nice to know you will remain silent if you witness a child being abducted or an adult being grabbed and stuffed in a trunk. Many crimes (especially violent crimes) require a timely response. One prays your family is not victimized and someone follows your advice.

“Call 9-11 and die (or let the other person die).” Other than that, I see no problem with your advice.

44 posted on 05/01/2011 1:57:43 PM PDT by Hulka
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I'm pretty sure that they call that a false dilemma. I'm not saying you shouldn't call 911, and I'm not saying you shouldn't talk to police. I AM saying that you shouldn't talk to police - ever - outside the presence of an attorney.

Don't take my word for it, listen to this guy - Professor James Duane. He spells out succinctly how innocent people end up getting themselves falsely accused and convicted, just trying to help out.

45 posted on 05/01/2011 2:14:11 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

“I AM saying that you shouldn’t talk to police - ever - outside the presence of an attorney.”

He makes a good point, but I don’t go that far. I’ve had better luck not staying silent. Having said that, I’ve traveled in Michigan with pepper spray that wasn’t approved for that state (which is a big deal if you’re caught - I read an article about it happening to someone) - luckily I never met the pigs there. But if I did, I wasn’t worried about it - STUPID ME. Moral of my story, if I’m in Texas, where I know the law, I will be respectful, to the point of permitting a search (if I have nothing to hide), if I’m out of state - new rules, GET A WARRANT. Obviously, I have something to hide or fear, of course get a warrant.


46 posted on 05/01/2011 2:28:47 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: wideminded

Thanks, useful information.


47 posted on 05/01/2011 2:37:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: XenaLee; marktwain
Grad student sues UK over being fired for having handgun in car
48 posted on 05/01/2011 2:46:49 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: OldDeckHand
I would not recommend that any client of mine speak to police outside the presence of their laywer, and certainly NEVER completely absent assistance of counsel.

I have to agree with you on this. For reasons I won't go into again, but I have detailed in other posts.

Being innocent AND honest can net you a lot of aggravation, if not real trouble. It is instructive to always be aware that the police (even the honest ones) believe everyone is a liar. This means you and me.

49 posted on 05/01/2011 2:53:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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