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CBS 60 Minutes Lara Logan Interview: What Really Happened?
Vanity ^ | May 1, 2011 | Self

Posted on 05/01/2011 5:38:53 PM PDT by Poundstone

Just watched CBS 60 Minutes' interview with Lara Logan and what happened in February in Cairo. I must say, I'm still confused: just what did happen? After watching Scott Pelley's interview with Logan, I still don't know if she was raped. It's more than an academic question; in every state in the U.S., there's big difference between sexual molestation and rape. I honestly don't know what happened to Logan that night, other than that a mob tore her clothes off and beat her. To be explicit, CBS didn't ask (or chose not to broadcast) whether a penis entered Logan's vagina - and that's the definition of rape used by every state in the U.S. and most countries around the world.

Another thing that was deeply dissatisfying about the 60 minutes interview: there was no context for why this attack occurred. I find this rather bizarre, to say the least.

Any fellow FReepers have similar thoughts? Different?


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KEYWORDS: journalism; media; rape; reporters
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1 posted on 05/01/2011 5:39:02 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone

Is she a goat? Then no.....no Islamist’s penis was involved.


2 posted on 05/01/2011 5:41:18 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Poundstone

Why does it matter? She was sexually assaulted by a mob in Egypt. That’s about all I need to know.


3 posted on 05/01/2011 5:42:38 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Poundstone

Sounds just like a tsa screening to me


4 posted on 05/01/2011 5:45:32 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: Jeff Winston

Exactly.

I don’t watch 60 Minutes and had heard the story elsewhere.


5 posted on 05/01/2011 5:46:06 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Poundstone

No seriously........what really really really happened


6 posted on 05/01/2011 5:46:18 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Poundstone

They leave it up to your imagination on purpose. What really happened is she was pinched hard hundreds of times all over, a Muslim custom I guess. She was not raped. But leaving out certain details adds drama and ratings.


7 posted on 05/01/2011 5:46:29 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Poundstone

She’s trying to make this group grope “rape” into a career enhancer for this attention junkie. That’s what I see. A flake and a nut.


8 posted on 05/01/2011 5:46:55 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Poundstone

I almost am embarrassed as to my curiousity but it does raise questions, don’t it?

I didn’t see the 60 Minutes interview, but as I read it somewhere, Logan said that over 200 men “raped her with their hands”.

And yeah, it’s kinda important.

Like you ask, WHY did this happen? I don’t much like Muslim men but seriously, they are really not known as big rapist types and hardly on a scale of 200 men at a time.

She said she was lost in this crowd for almost 45 minutes. She also said her clothes were tore off her body.

anyway, that’s what I heard and none of it makes sense. Why did they do this to her? There have been plenty of female journalists in the Middle East and this is something we’ve not heard about. If anything, they make our women wear veils and all kind of stuff.

And it seems that they did NOT rape her, in your classical definition, so what did they do to her, and why?

Why isn’t our State department raising hell if something horrific did happen?

Like you, I have a lot of questions. I understand the roar of the mob mentality but they had her at their wont for 45 minutes yet she wasn’t raped?

Just a very strange story. I’d think maybe she’s hiding something, does not want to admit to having been attacked so horrifically. But then why admit to that strange “being raped by their hands” thing?


9 posted on 05/01/2011 5:47:08 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/2011/02/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: Poundstone

I don’t think it was a penis that entered her, but these vultures put their hands up there, from what she said. Also, no context is needed - the mob over there was just a bunch of brutish thugs, and probably just went after her because she was a woman (although either she or someone mentioned that they thought she was an Israeli Jew, but in fact, she is neither).

The abuse she says she endured sounds horrific, and it lasted for a total of 25 minutes! She looks like she’s physically recovering fairly well, but I’m sure the horror of the attack will stay with her forever.


10 posted on 05/01/2011 5:47:15 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Jeff Winston

Jeff, this is precisely the point: what does “sexual assault” mean? Is the laying of hands on a woman’s private parts exactly the same as a penis penetrating her vagina? I apologize for being so explicit, but I guess that’s necessary to illustrate the spectrum of “sexual assault” under discussion. And the reason I’m focusing on this is because the vast majority of legal systems around the world make the same distinction.

What I’m suggesting is that CBS should have recognized that distinction and done something to shed light on the matter. I certainly respect the privacy of “sexual assault” victims, no matter what they had to endure, but in this case CBS and Lara Logan CHOSE to go public. Therefore, I believe they have a duty to make clear the nature of the crime that was committed against Ms. Logan.


11 posted on 05/01/2011 5:47:36 PM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Poundstone
My natural intense curiosity is overridden by my respect for her privacy at this point.
12 posted on 05/01/2011 5:48:39 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Poundstone

She stated in an interview posted here last week that they “raped her with their hands.” Based on what we’ve learned since 911, I would assume that in the psychosexual nightmare of Islam that group assaults are common outlets for these pervs and actual intercourse is probably reserved for private sessions wives for procreation and for pleasure with young boys.


13 posted on 05/01/2011 5:49:11 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Poundstone

In another interview she said the mob violated her for 40 minutes, using their fingers. They beat, pinched, ripped her clothes and sexually assaulted her with their fingers. She said they got off on inflicting pain and enjoyed hurting her.


14 posted on 05/01/2011 5:49:48 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Poundstone
While I agree with you concerning the definitions and differences of “sexual assault” and “rape”, it really doesn't make any difference or is of any business of mine. I do not need to know the specific details. What happened to her was unconscionable and was not civilized behavior. Whether she was raped or “merely” sexually assaulted makes no difference in the condemnation those beasts justly deserve.
15 posted on 05/01/2011 5:50:28 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Poundstone

She said she was raped by their hands. Now that you mention it, that is not rape.


16 posted on 05/01/2011 5:52:45 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Poundstone

I think it has always ben clear they felt her up. Give it a rest, please.


17 posted on 05/01/2011 5:53:02 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: rawhide

Actually, penetration is considered rape. People can be raped with an object (a broomstick, for example), or manually. And the term applies to both men and women when they are subjected to penetration.


18 posted on 05/01/2011 5:57:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: Poundstone

It really doesn’t matter to me which it was. Either one demonstrates that they seem to have a lot of animals on the street in Egypt. Either one reinforces my general opinion of the “religion” of Islam.


19 posted on 05/01/2011 5:59:01 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Poundstone

I dont watch 60 Minutes (of obama ass-kissing) and the only thing I know of is she was molested by Mooslum animals for more than 10 minutes, groped, touched etc based on her previous statements and the report by the cameraman.


20 posted on 05/01/2011 5:59:07 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: Poundstone

And either one, I might add, must have extremely brutalized and traumatized Ms. Logan.


21 posted on 05/01/2011 6:00:23 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: BunnySlippers

I can’t believe that people here are actually defending this mob. She was a heck of a lot more than “felt up,” and even 40 minutes of that would have been appalling.

I’m really disgusted with the comments here. You’re as bad as Muslims.


22 posted on 05/01/2011 6:01:05 PM PDT by livius
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To: Poundstone
It doesn't matter, it was rape by instrumentation. The point that I found astounding was her statement that she wasn't aware of the way Egyptian men treated women. Where has she been hiding? Are all newsies this stupid/ignorant/uninformed. This after the voice over gave her great credit for her experienced background. I also noted the deliberate misdirection of the moderator and the voice over (whoever that was) trying to skew what happened as “possibly” being agents of the departing government. Oh yeah...they can't bring themselves to admit they have been had by a bunch of radical fundamentalist muslims. What hypocrites.
23 posted on 05/01/2011 6:02:19 PM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: livius

To quote Whoopi, “I know it wasn’t rape-rape. It was something else but I don’t believe it was rape-rape.”


24 posted on 05/01/2011 6:03:10 PM PDT by Cherrybark (Flint, Texas)
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good grief, if this happened to your wife, sister, or mother you would be outraged.

Instead you are arguing what the definition of is, is.

Why did it happen? Because she was a blonde in the middle of 10,000 screaming radical muslims who have no respect for women.


25 posted on 05/01/2011 6:04:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Poundstone

Since I won’t watch 60 minutes, how was Scott Pelley’s attitude towards her? I still remember Lisa Myer’s constipated look when she was interviewing Juanita Broaddrick.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 6:05:33 PM PDT by karatemom
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To: Poundstone

Yawn.


27 posted on 05/01/2011 6:05:40 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: livius

FR seems to be really going downhill lately. Defending rape, wow.


28 posted on 05/01/2011 6:05:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

..... end thread here .....


29 posted on 05/01/2011 6:07:33 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (America, where are you now? We can't fight alone against the Monster)
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To: Poundstone

She was, at a minimum, “digitally” raped, meaning she was violated.

One would have to wonder if you, personally, were in a prison situation, and were to be anally probed with a night stick, coke bottles, fingers, thumbs, etc. but not for sure a penis, if you would feel any better about your experience knowing you had only been “sexually” assaulted as opposed to raped by a penis.


30 posted on 05/01/2011 6:10:32 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Poundstone
Does this help your understanding of the gang rape?

Via the NY Daily News reporting on the same 60 Minutes interview you are questioning:

As her clothes were torn off, she saw the repeated flashing of cell phone cameras.

"I didn't even know that they were beating me with flagpoles and sticks and things," she said. "Because the sexual assault was all I could feel, their hands raping me over and over and over again.

"They were trying to tear off chunks of my scalp . . . not trying to pull out my hair, holding big wads of it literally trying to tear my scalp off my skull."

SNIP

Logan said she didn't think she would live.

"I was in no doubt in my mind that I was in the process of dying," she said.

But she thought of her two toddlers, at home in Washington, D.C., and decided to stop fighting the sexual assault and concentrate instead on staying alive.

"The only thing to fight for, left to fight for, was my life," she said. "I have to just surrender to the sexual assault. What more can they do now? They're inside you everywhere."

SNIP

Logan flew back to Washington where she spent four days in a hospital being treated for cuts, bruises and and internal tearing.

SNIP

31 posted on 05/01/2011 6:11:41 PM PDT by kristinn (Lowering the IQ on FR since Jul 31, 1998)
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To: allmost

Privacy? She’s on nationwide TV talking about it.

Wait until she comes out with the book (you just know there’s going to be one!).


32 posted on 05/01/2011 6:12:25 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When people deny truth exists they must be wrong)
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To: livius

I’m not defending the mob.

I, too, feel this was an abomination. Absolutely disgusting. And, yes, I have seen horrible comments on this forum.


33 posted on 05/01/2011 6:14:03 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: vladimir998
She was on camera when she disappeared. She works for cbs. I'm not blaming her for anything beyond stupidity at this point. I'll defer to decency (IMO) and not ask.
34 posted on 05/01/2011 6:16:18 PM PDT by allmost
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To: driftdiver

I can’t believe this woman thought she’d be perfectly fine amongst these heathens. If she was that ignorant of Arab Muslim male culture she is one incredibly stupid young woman. And if she was and decided to go out among them anyway she certainly is one of the most reckless.


35 posted on 05/01/2011 6:18:44 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: All

For an example, from the Revised Statutes of Missouri.

Chapter 566 and chapter 568 definitions.
566.010. As used in this chapter and chapter 568, the following terms mean:

(1) “Deviate sexual intercourse”, any act involving the genitals of one person and the hand, mouth, tongue, or anus of another person or a sexual act involving the penetration, however slight, of the male or female sex organ or the anus by a finger, instrument or object done for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of any person or for the purpose of terrorizing the victim.

566.060. 1. A person commits the crime of forcible sodomy if such person has deviate sexual intercourse with another person by the use of forcible compulsion. Forcible compulsion includes the use of a substance administered without a victim’s knowledge or consent which renders the victim physically or mentally impaired so as to be incapable of making an informed consent to sexual intercourse.

Other state statutes probably vary, but I am sure all this would be less than comforting to Ms. Logan.


36 posted on 05/01/2011 6:19:31 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Poundstone

What matters is that Lara Logan was sexually assaulted, that it was brutal, and that it was done by a horde of animals.

Do we really need explicit details? I don’t think so. It’s enough to know this woman was violated in ways no woman should be. Why must we be privy to any more of the lurid details?

And to accuse her of using this to increase her popularity or make it a career stepping stone — that’s a rather harsh judgment on her character which is NOT in evidence, at least not at this point. She said she wouldn’t speak further of it after this 60 Minutes interview. We shall see.

As to Ms. Logan personally, I knew little about her, though I generally see members of the Mainstream Media as less than friendly to me and my beliefs and convictions. One thing I am certain of now — Ms. Logan knows with no shadow of a doubt the potential evil in the hearts of human beings. She’s experienced it. Perhaps she’ll grapple with that reality in a way she never has before. I know I will pray for her.

Patriot Preacher


37 posted on 05/01/2011 6:19:31 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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38 posted on 05/01/2011 6:19:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: rawhide
She said she was raped by their hands. Now that you mention it, that is not rape.

Oh really? Do you know how many sexual predators are inprison for that very thing in the USA?

Should we just set them all free?
39 posted on 05/01/2011 6:21:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: jmacusa

I can’t believe Freepers are saying she wasn’t raped and are seeking the details.


40 posted on 05/01/2011 6:23:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jmacusa

Ahhh! So it’s HER fault!

Get an effing clue.


41 posted on 05/01/2011 6:24:55 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Poundstone

Early reports were that she was bitten, poked with sharpened sticks, etc. The details are now hidden so as not to discredit O’s good friends, the revolutionaries.


42 posted on 05/01/2011 6:27:16 PM PDT by Carley ( TYPICAL STREET THUG, NASTY BULLY, THAT'S OUR PRESIDENT.)
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They said it started as the camera’s battery was being changed. Debbie Schlussel really took her to task because they were yelling Jew, Jew, Jew...; but the reporter still won’t mention that the rapists were Muslim. The TV interview earlier this week, the reporter said she didn’t know that such violence was possible. Debbie also took her to task for that.


43 posted on 05/01/2011 6:27:57 PM PDT by llano2
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To: driftdiver
Why did it happen? Because she was a blonde in the middle of 10,000 screaming radical muslims who have no respect for women.

Actually, the mob descended upon her fiercely once someone said she was a Jew.
44 posted on 05/01/2011 6:28:16 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Okay, I stand corrected.


45 posted on 05/01/2011 6:29:11 PM PDT by rawhide
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On the radio it was said that possibly hundreds of creatures molested her with their hands. Seriously that is horrible sexual battery even if you don’t feel it was rape. Fists and strong hands can do more damage than a penis. The poor woman.


46 posted on 05/01/2011 6:31:24 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Fishtalk
Like you ask, WHY did this happen? I don’t much like Muslim men but seriously, they are really not known as big rapist types and hardly on a scale of 200 men at a time.

During my Military Career, I served in several moslem countries. Overall, an unescorted woman is fair game for the taken. This is even true in the predominently moslem areas of the "westernized" or "secular" moslem countries.

Rape is standard procedure for female, and male, POWs.

47 posted on 05/01/2011 6:33:26 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Poundstone

Doncha just luv when the journos themselves are THE news?
Why do we need anything else, let’s have the news about the news,
and about the talking heads!


48 posted on 05/01/2011 6:35:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: driftdiver

Well said.


49 posted on 05/01/2011 6:37:11 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Reeses
"But leaving out certain details adds drama and ratings."

Holy crap, I don't believe it.

What does "treated for internal tearing" mean to you? The mob used force to "enter" her with their hands. That's something she can no doubt prove with medical records so how is avoiding the details adding drama? Did you want nice diagrams and maybe some closeup shots of the injuries from the hospital?

The fact that they were saving their "manhood" for young boys and goats doesn't change a thing as far as the way it impacts the victim. Nor does it change the nature of her attackers, they're friggin animals which is what Islam teaches them to be. Their own Profit even said that every Muslim is possessed by demons what can be called forth at any time.

50 posted on 05/01/2011 6:37:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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