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More Big and Little Pixels (Simple Picture Shows Obama BC is Bogus
May 2, 2011 | ML/NJ

Posted on 05/02/2011 6:32:31 AM PDT by ml/nj

In this single picture below it is easy to see that the signatures on the document come from different sources. The resolution on the Dunham signature (above) is higher than the resolution of the Sinclair signature (below) which is composed entirely of "big" pixels. The latest Bamie Birth Certificate is an obvious fraud.

Note that I had to convert the image to greyscale to get Photobucket to accept it.

For more info on Big and Little Pixes, please click to see a thread I posted yesterday about this.

ML/NJ


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; enoughalready; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 05/02/2011 6:32:35 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

ping for later ....


2 posted on 05/02/2011 6:35:03 AM PDT by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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To: ml/nj

Thank you. It’s glaringly obvious that this document is a fake. Obama knew he was going to announce about OBL - so he just threw this out to “put the birthers in their place”, and make the issue now seem petty compared to the Bin Laden story.

Scary times, what is he doing while everyone is talking about Osama Bin Laden?


3 posted on 05/02/2011 6:38:21 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: ml/nj

“This isn’t the birth certificate you’re looking for.” (Jedi hand wave).


4 posted on 05/02/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: alicewonders
...so he just threw this out to “put the birthers in their place”...

I like the alternative explanation: He was so PO'ed about not getting invited to the Royal Wedding, he did the phony BC to attract attention to himself. When that didn't hold up to the light, he sought the limelight with Bin Ladin's death. When you realize you're dealing with an ego maniac, it all makes sense to me.

5 posted on 05/02/2011 6:43:41 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: McKayopectate

Oh wait...

“This IS the birth certificate you’re looking for.” (Jedi hand wave again).


6 posted on 05/02/2011 6:44:33 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: alicewonders

Can’t you hear it now? “We just killed Osama bin Laden, and these nutjobs are still worried about my birth certificate?”


7 posted on 05/02/2011 6:45:01 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (We've been taken for a ride - by Wall Street and Washington DC - Welcome to Amerika!)
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To: cincinnati65
"Go ahead - Pick a birth certificate."

HAT TIP: http://curmudgeonlyskeptical.blogspot.com/


8 posted on 05/02/2011 7:03:06 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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To: ml/nj

Notice how fast the BC issue disappeared once OBL story broke? Wonderful timing to make people forget!


9 posted on 05/02/2011 7:13:54 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: ml/nj

What, if anything, do we know about the state official who certified this document?

Whatever the facts are, I think that absent a bombshell (and the pixelation issue might be one) it will be hard to get a lot of people to focus on this any more.

I could be wrong!


10 posted on 05/02/2011 7:27:01 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: ml/nj
What is happening is that (in the overlapping copy areas) the OCR-trace prioritized the printed form "copy" first and treated the signature(s) as image. This is common in an OCR trace. Also, you'll notice that his mother's signature and the "Local Register's" is also half image and half bitmap. That's just an example of OCR limitations. This doesn't prove anything except that some idiot decided to scan this birth certificate using OCR-trace, but that is a common practice for government documents because it creates a smaller file. Check the "K" in Kansas. Same thing happening there, for example.
11 posted on 05/02/2011 7:45:16 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: null and void; LucyT

ping to the bc


12 posted on 05/02/2011 7:54:04 AM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: cvq3842

I feel like Obama is tone-deaf in most political issues, but releasing the BC when he did was very good timing, especially with Trump’s antics and the Corsi book coming out in two weeks. When he released the BC, he knew that they had gotten Osama, which dwarfs all the eligibility issues.

It will be hard to maintain focus on eligibility, but we can’t stop now.

The release of the BHO Sr treasure trove cannot be underestimated. It proves beyond a doubt that “Dreams From My Father” was a complete fabrication aimed at creating an illusion, not reporting anything factual.


13 posted on 05/02/2011 7:56:34 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: cvq3842

I feel like Obama is tone-deaf in most political issues, but releasing the BC when he did was very good timing, especially with Trump’s antics and the Corsi book coming out in two weeks. When he released the BC, he knew that they had gotten Osama, which dwarfs all the eligibility issues.

It will be hard to maintain focus on eligibility, but we can’t stop now.

The release of the BHO Sr treasure trove cannot be underestimated. It proves beyond a doubt that “Dreams From My Father” was a complete fabrication aimed at creating an illusion, not reporting anything factual.


14 posted on 05/02/2011 7:56:40 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: cvq3842

I feel like Obama is tone-deaf in most political issues, but releasing the BC when he did was very good timing, especially with Trump’s antics and the Corsi book coming out in two weeks. When he released the BC, he knew that they had gotten Osama, which dwarfs all the eligibility issues.

It will be hard to maintain focus on eligibility, but we can’t stop now.

The release of the BHO Sr treasure trove cannot be underestimated. It proves beyond a doubt that “Dreams From My Father” was a complete fabrication aimed at creating an illusion, not reporting anything factual.


15 posted on 05/02/2011 7:56:48 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: ml/nj

You can’t write about this!

He just led the charge in killing Osama bin Laden.

Trumps the story. “/S”


16 posted on 05/02/2011 8:06:18 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: cvq3842
What, if anything, do we know about the state official who certified this document?

We know a state official certified a document. There is no way of knowing if it is the same document that was posted online.

17 posted on 05/02/2011 8:26:53 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Noamie

I wrote above that it’s an OCR thing and I was going to post an example from another document with a background texture, but I can’t find an equivalent example.... so... I’m going to cover my butt and say that I’ve seen this happen before, but I’m having a really hard time digging up an example to prove it.

So I guess consider my above post as “opinion” until I can find an example of it happening in other docs.


18 posted on 05/02/2011 8:27:38 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie
This is common in an OCR trace.

I guess you didn't follow the link back to my first Big and Little Pixels post. If it's so common you should easily be able to come up with an example or two of other pdf documents that purport to be a single scan of a single document, that were posted to the Internet prior to April of this year.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 05/02/2011 8:34:10 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

See my later reply to myself.


20 posted on 05/02/2011 9:01:57 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Ladysforest

ping


21 posted on 05/02/2011 11:16:06 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: ml/nj; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; GregNH; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; ...
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More Big and Little Pixels (Simple Picture Shows 0bama BC is Bogus)

Addendum.

"When one examines the signatures on the 0bama abstract, why is it that instead of the 1961 era black ink business pen in a thin crisp signature, that instead the signatures are velvet smooth and wide like a felt tip pen of a much later date........... as those pens and ink structure gels did not appear until..."

"It is not the same font, but the same pen which is questionable on three different signatures and dates."

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/05/barack-hawaiian-obama.html

. . . . # 5 , too. .

22 posted on 05/02/2011 12:07:05 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: CanaGuy

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Ping.

Check out article, and # 22.

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23 posted on 05/02/2011 12:16:01 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: alicewonders

If Bin Laden is dead, who knows for how long. His corpse (if he’s dead) could have been on ice waiting for the right moment to distract attention from whatever Zero didn’t want attention on.


24 posted on 05/02/2011 12:24:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: LucyT

“When one examines the signatures on the 0bama abstract, why is it that instead of the 1961 era black ink business pen in a thin crisp signature, that instead the signatures are velvet smooth and wide like a felt tip pen of a much later date........... as those pens and ink structure gels did not appear until...”


LC raises a valid question regarding the type of pen(s) used on the signature lines. Felt tips were not around in the early 60’s.

In 1966 Papermate added the Flair Pen, which later was known as Tempo and Nylon.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_4912476_history-papermate-pens.html


25 posted on 05/02/2011 12:29:42 PM PDT by Faith
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To: little jeremiah
His corpse (if he’s dead) could have been on ice waiting for the right moment to distract attention from whatever Zero didn’t want attention on.

Timing is everything, isn't it? I share your suspicions.

26 posted on 05/02/2011 12:32:15 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Faith

Everything lately reminds me of Germany in the late ‘30s.


27 posted on 05/02/2011 12:44:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: LucyT
When one examines the signatures on the Obama abstract, why is it that instead of the 1961 era black ink business pen in a thin crisp signature, that instead the signatures are velvet smooth and wide like a felt tip pen of a much later date...

Now THAT'S interesting. Seems like the forgers(s) left another clue.

28 posted on 05/02/2011 1:08:25 PM PDT by azishot (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: Portcall24; LucyT

SO, what is happening the the Ninth circus Court case that was scheduled to hear arguments today?


29 posted on 05/02/2011 1:46:57 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

It is amazing how easily the vast majority of this great Country is distracted from what’s important.


30 posted on 05/02/2011 1:56:49 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: little jeremiah
Everything lately reminds me of Germany in the late ‘30s.

Me too.

Which is sort of scary because my fathers' family was fro Berlin. My grandmother recognized what was going on and began to plan their escape in 1936. Her blood courses through my veins.

ML/NJ

31 posted on 05/02/2011 2:12:58 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: alicewonders

The point in hitting Osama now was to wag the dog. This blows the birth issue off the front pages...and now that the MSM says the LFBC is the real deal...it is time to move on...don’t you get it?

Nothing to see here.


32 posted on 05/02/2011 2:35:28 PM PDT by kjo
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To: ml/nj

My DH’s father was enslaved by the Nazis in a munitions factory, when he was 17. DH’s grandfather made and fixed weapons for the Polish partisans. Hub grew up with these stories, and machine gun bullet holes in the house he grew up in.


33 posted on 05/02/2011 3:07:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Since Dr. Sinclair’s widow is currently working in connection with the Hawaii DOH, it would make sense that the doctor’s signature came from a document in his widow’s possession; in other words, it came from a source different than Dunham’s signature. Hence the need of the forgers to piece together the document from different sources and some telltale signs of that.


34 posted on 05/02/2011 3:16:56 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: kjo
Nothing to see here.

Surely you jest.

35 posted on 05/02/2011 3:18:57 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: LucyT
I see nothing strange about the pen/ink/line-weight in Ann Dunham Obama's signature.

Looking at the "O" and "b" in "Obama" you can see a line weight variation depending on where the pen was during her stroke in forming the letters. This line weight change implies to me that she most likely used an actual nib-style pen with liquid ink. At that time, it would probably have been an "ink cartridge" type pen with a slightly squared nib to get that line width variation. She was probably right-handed to achieve those precise effects in forming the letters I mentioned.

In the early 60's, there was a HUGE variety of ink pen nib styles to choose from...wide, narrow, squared, round, ball, etc., depending on your calligraphy talents.

Also, in those times, many people still envied being able to get that "fat-then-thin" character style, because it harked back to even earlier times when a fine, "Spencerian hand" was much admired and strictly taught in schools ....with an inkwell in every desk. She was probably taught to write that way, as I was, dipping a pen into an inkwell.

Nope. I see nothing wrong with the pen/ink/line-weight style, IMHO.

HOWEVER, whether it's Ann's signature, or whether she actually signed that particular page, at that particular date.....well, that's the big question, isn't it?

36 posted on 05/02/2011 5:28:15 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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Thanks justiceseeker93.


37 posted on 05/02/2011 5:38:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: justiceseeker93; ml/nj

obumpa


38 posted on 05/02/2011 8:35:54 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Noamie

A Newbie!!!


39 posted on 05/02/2011 9:08:13 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: ml/nj

I think the truth can be found in the differing serifs of the 1 digits in the serial number. But what the hell do I know, “I’m just a balding, middle-aged white guy that hates health care reform”.


40 posted on 05/02/2011 9:11:08 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: ml/nj
Could someone here help me with these questions:

1. ORIGINAL: Is the original in a bound book like former health director Fukino said, or is it on microfilm or microfiche? That is, is the long form birth certificate that Obama displayed at his April 27, 2011 press conference taken from a certificate stored in a bound book, or was it taken from microfilm or microfiche?

2. NORDYKE TWINS: They were born one day after Obama on Aug. 5, but they have lower numbers.

3. Would the Nordyke twins' certificates be in the same bound book that Fukino said Obama's long form birth certificate was in?

4. I am having trouble understanding how they transferred Obama's long form birth certificate image from a bound book to a piece of paper that was sent to Obama. Did the certificate have anything on its back?

5. Could someone explain to a non-technical, average computer user like me how they did it?

6. For instance, if the certificate is in a bound book, how did they lay the book in a scanner? What type of scanner did they use? Is the scanner like one people have at home except much bigger?

7. If, for instance, Hawaii officials allowed reporters to examine the certificate in the bound book, what color would it be?

8. MICROFILM: The long form birth certificate seems to be bent downward on the left side. Does this mean that the image came from microfilm or a bound book?

9, If it came from a bound book, why isn't the certificate arranged and attached in the book in a way so that a person could easily slip it out of the book to scan it? Why do you have to carry the WHOLE book to the scanner, when one piece of paper would do?

10. GREEN BACKGROUND: Why is there a green background?

11. June 2007: Date stamped on Obama's short form we see on the FactCheck site.

12. June 2007: Why did Obama order a new Hawaii birth certificate in June 2007? Did he simply lose his long form in 2007 or earlier? People lose birth certificates all the time, but I find it strange that the President of the United States got so careless with his long form birth certificate that he lost it. And if Trump had not forced Obama to order a new long form birth certificate in April 2011, then Obama would still be without a long form birth certificate today.

13. Stanley signature: I have a problem believing that Obama's mother signed the document because of the way "Stanley" is clumsily placed in parenthesis above the main signature. It looks to me as if the person who signed it forgot the name "Stanley" and clumsily tried to add it to the main body of the signature, but for some unknown reason put it in parenthesis, even though "Stanley" was Obama's mother's legal first name. That is, why not just write "Stanley" WITHOUT parenthesis, because the parenthesis makes it look as if the name "Stanley" does not really belong there.

14. Stanley signature: I have looked at several signatures of Obama's mother on the internet, and it seems that she usually wrote out "Stanley" or used "S" when signing documents. Also, I didn't find that Obama's mother put parenthesis around "Stanley" in any of her signatures. NOTE: To me, for anyone to put parenthesis around their first name on a birth certificate would be bizarre.

15. Stanley name: Maybe when Obama's mother was growing up she came to resent the Stanley first name because it is normally a boy's name, but it looks like when it came to signing documents, she had no hesitation in signing "Stanley."

16. So, as I said, Obama's mother's signature just does not look right to me. To be honest, it looks like someone else signed that long form birth certificate.

41 posted on 05/03/2011 5:21:43 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
A lot of your questions can be answered by scanning an original that is in some book you own, buying some "safety paper," putting it in your printer and then printing out the page you scanned on it.

ML/NJ

42 posted on 05/03/2011 6:23:42 AM PDT by ml/nj
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Here's a version http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5hDaJcPOIL3bO5LE0f0c4Yw1K50tw?docId=361a1a8559aa4ce4a1a26347b12423bb&size=l that has nothing wrong with the pixels:

43 posted on 05/03/2011 6:41:01 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
My version comes from the White House site. This AP version you have clearly omits some information as you can see remnants of the safety paper pattern at the left margin, but no where else.

I could also create an image where the pixels were of uniform size by scanning at a lower resolution. If the smallest pixel in my rescan is the size of the smallest pixel (what I refer to a "Big" pixels) in the Sinclair (bottom) signature then the pixels in both signatures will be the same size. Subsequent rescans at any resolution would then show both signatures with the same size pixels.

ML/NJ

44 posted on 05/03/2011 7:58:18 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Just because you don’t understand some obscurity doesn’t mean it’s proof of malice.

By this point, that image has gone thru a great deal of repeated copying, scanning, rendering, compressing, scaling, processing, etc each of which leaves some odd artifacts which multiply and magnify with each iteration.

You want to make your allegation convincing? File a FOIA on the facts about the fiche, scanner, document processing software, etc ... the actual chain of media, hardware, and software used, then demonstrate how your allegation differs from what the actual processing should produce.


45 posted on 05/03/2011 8:12:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ml/nj
This AP version you have clearly omits some information as you can see remnants of the safety paper pattern at the left margin, but no where else.

Nope. The AP version is a high contrast scan that omits all color except for some remaining gray in the left margin. It is not a digital photo (which starts with lesser quality) imported into a package like photoshop that does various processing like the layer creation. In any case, you need to explain how to go from your version:

to mine:

whereas I can easily explain how the original paper artifact was turned into your picture (digital photo, subsequently processed) and my picture (high contrast scan, no subsequent processing). It's the paper artifact and its content that we care about not some scan or photo, but we can't ignore any scans or photos.

46 posted on 05/03/2011 8:14:02 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
First I is not MY image. It is th image the White House released on it's own f*****g web site. Any image the AP has they got from the WH.

I'm not going to start playing with these two images in the post I am responding to here. But it seems that they both show approximately the same magnification. If you take a look at the riser on the h in Dunham's signature in the image I supplied you can hardly see the pixels. In your image they are easy to see. My picture has more information.

As for you and the others who say they can "easily explain how the original paper artifact was turned into your picture," this gets old for me. Either point to some other pdf posted on the internet before April of this year which purports to be from a single scan of a single document that exhibits similar pixellation to that which the WH pdf exhibts, or cut the BS.

ML/NJ

47 posted on 05/03/2011 9:10:39 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
The AP image is labeled: "This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)" FWIW.

I matched your magnification to show the differences. The magnified AP image shows anti-aliasing applied and the WH image (what I refered to as "yours") shows partial anti-aliasing (the upper Dunham is not, the lower "Sm" is somewhat anti-aliased. By anti-aliasing I mean that the software did partial picture shading to reduce the contrast between black and background, smooth the transition from black to background, and reduce the staircase effect.

The theory you seem to be offering is that the WH image ("yours") was produced by overlaying different images for the two signatures (from different sources) then producing the final PDF. The main problem with that theory is they also produced my document which you seem to claim was done by reducing the information. However, your Dunham has added pixels that are a false effect of not antialiasing (smoothing). That is not added information but photo artifacts. OTOH the AP scan has reduced information from the scanning process. The main reduction is due to it being high contrast (made in a brightly lit scanner bed) So it came out black and white and then was antialiased by the scanner SW.

Pointing to a "PDF" is nonspecific since PDF's can store images internally in a JPEG or other lossy or lossless formats. The image I posted is a jpeg. Perhaps you meant, point to a PDF with a lossless image in it? Then you want one before April? How am I supposed to do that? Finally you want one with similar pixellation to the WH PDF. Why?

The simple truth is that there are many different images of the original alleged paper artifact. The one you presented in this thread, the one I present from the AP, and others including both photos and scans. They are all originally from the WH (unless other people postprocessed or forged some of them). The WH claims that they were derived from a single paper artifact from HI. If you choose to contest that story, you have to explain how all the images were created, not just the one you displayed for this thread.

48 posted on 05/03/2011 9:54:30 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: ml/nj
The explanation of the WH PDF is simple: http://bryankeithnixon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/birth-certificate-long-form.jpg It is simply that the "unham" in Dunham was seperated during post-processing into layers. The signature below it with the "Sm" was not. That's why the pixellation is different between the two signatures. You can argue as others have (600x) here that the layers "prove" it was created, but it weakens your argument (why would D in Dunham be dubbed in separately from unham?) There seem to be two sources of imagery online, the WH PDF from their blog website and the WH "handout" subsequently scanned of which AP is one instance. You have to explain them all, not just the ones that fit your theory.
49 posted on 05/03/2011 10:43:20 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: alicewonders
Obama knew he was going to announce about OBL - so he just threw this out to “put the birthers in their place”, and make the issue now seem petty compared to the Bin Laden story.

Nailed it. When all is said and done the truth will eventually prevail and my gut tells me us so-called "conspiracy theorists" will turn out to be 100% right.

50 posted on 05/03/2011 10:46:52 AM PDT by jersey117
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