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Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?
Joe Weisenthal ^ | 5-2-11 | Business Insider

Posted on 05/02/2011 1:00:39 PM PDT by STARWISE

The view from (some) on the right in regard to the Bin Laden news is: waterboarding is vindicated.

One GOP Congressman tweeted: Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?

The reason is that there's a direct line to be traced from the big news to data collected at GITMO -- data that was almost certainly collected under duress.

Here's the key interrogation note regarding a courier going to Abottabad:

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
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To: 1Peter2:16; 2Trievers; 4integrity; 4mycountry; A_perfect_lady; Alberta's Child; Allegra; ...

God bless you, President George W. Bush and our peerless military !


2 posted on 05/02/2011 1:02:38 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

My president, too. Thank God for the safe return and successful mission of Seal Team Six.


3 posted on 05/02/2011 1:02:42 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: STARWISE

Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?

ABSOLUTELY!!!


4 posted on 05/02/2011 1:02:42 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: STARWISE

It would appear so.


5 posted on 05/02/2011 1:03:21 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: STARWISE

It would have been vindicated better if it were used on OBL and he spilled his guts about upcoming terror attacks.

Dead-—if he is dead-—he can’t provide much info.


6 posted on 05/02/2011 1:04:20 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: WayneS

Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?

NO, is was Vindicated years ago.


7 posted on 05/02/2011 1:04:57 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: STARWISE
horsepower
8 posted on 05/02/2011 1:05:42 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: STARWISE

Hi Star. :)

Yes, it has been vindicated. All of GWB’s policies regarding the War on Radical Islamist Terrorism have been vindicated by the actions of the Obama administration. I love and admire President Bush and the men and women of our Armed Forces. God bless them all and comfort their families.


9 posted on 05/02/2011 1:08:24 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: STARWISE

A clear victory for Gitmo and enhanced interrogation!


10 posted on 05/02/2011 1:10:04 PM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: STARWISE

According to Rumsfeld, waterboarding had nothing to do with finding the courier that led to OBL;

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820


11 posted on 05/02/2011 1:10:29 PM PDT by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: krobara18

Who knows what Obama is having done during renditions in foreign countries?

No One yet, the media sure aren’t ‘reporting’ on it, although Obama does continue it...


12 posted on 05/02/2011 1:14:12 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Freddd

Too true! Just wanted to post the link in case some people didn’t see it.


14 posted on 05/02/2011 1:18:51 PM PDT by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: krobara18

Asked if harsh interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay played a role in obtaining intelligence on bin Laden’s whereabouts, Rumsfeld declares:

“First of all, no one was waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay. That’s a myth that’s been perpetrated around the country by critics.

The reports do not say the intel came from Gitmo, it’s been reported the the intel came from CIA holding locations abroad


15 posted on 05/02/2011 1:19:13 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: NoDRodee

From the link I posted;

“Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches”

and

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

There was probably more going on in the holding locations, but this is the most direct statement I’ve seen about where the intel came from. If there’s conflicting info out there that I missed from someone as trustworthy as Rumsfeld, can you post a link?


16 posted on 05/02/2011 1:28:27 PM PDT by krobara18 (I fully admit I may not have all of the details and could therefore be wrong on all counts)
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To: STARWISE

Damn Straight!

Waterboarding is effective.


17 posted on 05/02/2011 1:35:07 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: STARWISE

God, I would have liked the opportunity to vote for Dick Cheney for President!


18 posted on 05/02/2011 1:36:42 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: STARWISE
OH WATERBOARDING!!!!!

I thought this referred to the act of sliding OBL's filthy rag headed corpse off a board and into the sea for fish food!

19 posted on 05/02/2011 1:47:42 PM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: STARWISE

Second that and the fact he took us step by step through the capture and punishment of Saddam.


20 posted on 05/02/2011 1:49:00 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: FixitGuy

Pitching Binnie off the back of the USS Carl Vinson is the ultimate in waterboarding, LOL.


21 posted on 05/02/2011 1:51:20 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: STARWISE; maica

GWB bump


22 posted on 05/02/2011 1:56:16 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

need a tshirt made...waterboarding vindicated...with osama head shot..the back of shirt reads..thank you president BUSH!!


23 posted on 05/02/2011 1:59:45 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?

Yes, indeed!

24 posted on 05/02/2011 2:07:28 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: STARWISE

Amen! He is not being given enough credit for this.


25 posted on 05/02/2011 2:10:20 PM PDT by Humal
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To: STARWISE
Of course, the defense of waterboarding comes down to cherrypicking the good, easy to see results (capturing top officials) and ignores the unseen results (all the ex-GITMO detainees who come back as more hardened terrorists).

Quite a stretch by this writer to try (and fail) to make his point. What connection does he see between the three detainees known to have been waterboarded and the dozens who left Gitmo and rejoined terrorists groups?

Once again someone just assigns whatever motive fits their agenda of why terrorists become terrorists, and why they return to being terrorists. A clue for the writer: they returned to being terrorists for the same reason they became terrorists in the first place.

And he has to assume they are "more hardened" after leaving Gitmo to make a point, a very weak point.

26 posted on 05/02/2011 2:12:25 PM PDT by Will88
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To: nascarnation

“Pitching Binnie off the back of the USS Carl Vinson is the ultimate in waterboarding, LOL.”

Just curious...why would the administration leak that this USS ship did the deed? Does that seem reckless to anyone else? It’s not like AQ hasn’t found ways to bomb our ships before or anything. Next thing you know Obama will be releasing the names of the Seal team members.

This does nothing to make me want to support Obama in any way. He is still a marxist who hates our country, has terrorist friends that bombed the pentagon, did not support our efforts in Afghanistan or Iraq, wanted to ‘prosecute’ terrorists and allow them to build and victory mosque at ground zero,lies about his own records, is a thug chicago politico supported by questionable folks including AQ sympathizers.....I could go on....but this changes nothing. The man is still out to destroy our country and is doing it faster than Osama himself could have ever dream of doing.

That said........

Go Bless Our Brave Military Men and Women, who have sacrificed much and some sacrificed all for 10 years to make this day a reality! We can never thank you enough!

We Love You All and we are beaming with pride!

FReeper Penelope


27 posted on 05/02/2011 2:13:21 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: STARWISE

“God bless you, President George W. Bush and our peerless military !”

Ditto and AMEN!


28 posted on 05/02/2011 2:17:44 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: STARWISE
The media completely IGNORED all of the EXCELLENT interviews Bush did after his book release.They will continue to ignore the great man and POTUS Bush was.

If Obama bombs Geraldo/Matthews et al... get giddy and all of a sudden call it WAR ON TERROR. What happened to the commiecrat wussy kinetic overseas contingency operation?

Bush will be written in the history books as a GREAT POTUS.
All of the media drivel including the lies of my screen name and them saying he was reading to kids when 9/11 happened shows their complete bias for progressive commiecrats. Any decent POTUS would have finished reading to children to not cause panic and left when they could.

The media ALINSKIZED BUSH but that is NOT what history will show.

29 posted on 05/02/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary Rumsfeld. Thank you to all in the covert ops community involved for disposing of this trash.

As for the claims of Seymour Hersh, has he OD’ed on the Kool Aid?


30 posted on 05/02/2011 2:25:07 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (All Hail the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you, Starwise, for the pictures of a wonderful President and our fantastic, brave military. May God always bless and protect them all.

Neil Cavuto just had a guest name Alger(Financial Firm), whose brother was killed on 9-11. I almost threw something at the TV...this guy made comments ‘if Bush was more clever’ we would not have started 2 wars in revenge....grrrrrr. Called Fox and emailed Cavuto.


31 posted on 05/02/2011 2:26:03 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: nascarnation

LOL but Obama ordered he be wrapped in swaddling clothes and washed and wrapped and all that happy horse crap. He HAD to go ruin it. Only thing I read that makes me feel better about the SOB being ORDERED by Obama to be honored with a funeral is that I read an E-1 did it. So he probably said yaddah yaddah yaddah have fun seeing 72 gay demons waiting.


32 posted on 05/02/2011 2:34:11 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Fred Hayek; onyx; kristinn; SE Mom; maggief; penelopesire; hoosiermama; rodguy911; Liz; nutmeg; ...
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33 posted on 05/02/2011 3:25:06 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: penelopesire

not sure about the admin “leaking”

I read it on TMZ.com linked from Drudge


34 posted on 05/02/2011 3:58:18 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: STARWISE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Would you upgrade to Pro, already? ;') Thanks STARWISE.
Would you like to phone a friend? Oh, that's right, you don't have any.

Osama bin Loser

35 posted on 05/02/2011 4:51:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: STARWISE

Report: Harsh Interrogation Techniques Helped Nail Bin Laden
Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110502/pl_dailycaller/didenhancedinterrogationleadustoosamabinladen_1

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden


36 posted on 05/02/2011 5:21:21 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Palin: More woman than Michelle. More man than Barack.)
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To: STARWISE

Report: Harsh Interrogation Techniques Helped Nail Bin Laden
Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110502/pl_dailycaller/didenhancedinterrogationleadustoosamabinladen_1

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden


37 posted on 05/02/2011 5:35:55 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Palin: More woman than Michelle. More man than Barack.)
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To: STARWISE

Report: Harsh Interrogation Techniques Helped Nail Bin Laden
Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110502/pl_dailycaller/didenhancedinterrogationleadustoosamabinladen_1

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/05/02/report_harsh_interrogation_techniques_helped_nail_bin_laden


38 posted on 05/02/2011 5:43:09 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Palin: More woman than Michelle. More man than Barack.)
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To: cruise_missile
My memory could be foggy on this, but didn't Democrats, or maybe Obama himself, want to shutdown these secret prisons? If so, they are probably thanking their lucky stars that they didn't do it.
39 posted on 05/02/2011 8:17:00 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (RINO's are more interested in defeating conservatives than they are in defeating Marxists.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Obama shut down water boarding
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=obama+shut+down+water+boarding

Then and now: The Left, Obama and secret prisons
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/05/02/then-and-now-the-left-obama-and-secret-prisons/


40 posted on 05/02/2011 8:23:25 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Palin: More woman than Michelle. More man than Barack.)
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To: STARWISE

Somebody better tell Mark Levin about Rumsfeld stance, as he was going on last night with verve about enhanced techniques and said waterboarding specifically on KSM in 2007 produced the code name for the courier.


41 posted on 05/03/2011 7:11:56 AM PDT by BonRad (Ut Roma cadit, sic omnis terra -As Rome falls, so the entire world)
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To: BonRad

OOPS-yeah, & just seeing above:

Rumsfeld Exclusive: There Was No Waterboarding of Courier Source
Monday, 02 May 2011 01:02 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820
By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella

Enhanced Interrogations Led to Bin Laden Kill: Senator
OSAMA BIN LADEN, BARACK OBAMA, INTERROGATION, DEATH, KILLING, UNITED STATES, PAKISTAN, TERRORISM, AL QAEDA, AFGHANISTAN, TALIBAN, WAR
CNBC.com
| 03 May 2011 | 12:59 AM ET
URL: http://www.cnbc.com/id/42871400/

Enhanced Interrogations Led to Bin Laden Kill: Senator
CNBC ^ | May 03, 2011 | CNBC
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:46:59 AM by CutePuppy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2714078/posts

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To: nickcarraway
kind of sort of but not really. He said there was no water boarding in GITMO. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed spent three years in a prison outside of the US (Romania I think) before he was taken to GITMO. The red cross is on record as having accused us of torturing him during that time through water boarding and other harsh interrogation techniques.

4 posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:08:45 AM by RC one (Donald Trump-I’m still listening)
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42 posted on 05/03/2011 7:21:34 AM PDT by BonRad (Ut Roma cadit, sic omnis terra -As Rome falls, so the entire world)
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