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Posted on 05/02/2011 7:25:30 PM PDT by blam
What Is The Best Place To Live In The United States To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse?
May 2, 2011
What is the best place to live in the United States? I get asked that question all the time. My answer can be summed up in two words: it depends. The truth is that the answer is going to be different for each person. All of us have different goals and different needs.
If you have a very strong network of family and friends where you live right now, you might want to think twice before moving hundreds or thousands of miles away. If you have a great job where you live right now, you might want to hold on to it. You should not just assume that you are going to be able to pick up and move to another part of the country and be able to get a similar job right away.
The United States is in the midst of a very serious economic decline right now, and wherever you live you are going to have to provide for your family. Just because you move somewhere new does not mean that you are going to leave your problems behind. In fact, you might find that they moved right along with you. With all that being said, the reality is that there are some places in the U.S. that are going to be much more desirable than others when the economy totally falls apart.
For example, during a total economic collapse it will not be good to be living in a large city or in a densely populated area. Just think about what happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. If the entire nation is going through something like that, you don't want to have hundreds of thousands of close neighbors at that point. So when thinking about where you want to be when everything falls apart, population density should be a major factor. But there are other factors as well and no area of the United States is perfect.
If you live in or near a major city right now, that is okay. Most Americans do. Even if you have limited financial resources at the moment, you can start developing a plan that will get you where you eventually want to go. If you want to move to another part of the country you can start applying for jobs out there. You can also be working hard to develop a business that would enable you to move. Perhaps you have friends or family in more isolated areas that would allow you to stay with them during an economic collapse.
Those that possess more financial resources could start thinking about getting a second home in a location that is more rural.
The key is to come up with a plan and to be working towards accomplishing that plan.
If you don't have a plan yet, hopefully the following information will give you something to think about. Not all areas of the United States are equal, and all of them do have problems.
The following are some thoughts about the best place to live in the United States....
A major problem with the Northeast is that it is just so darn crowded. Yes, there are some rural areas, but the overall population density of the region is so high that it would be really hard to go unnoticed for long in the event of a major economic collapse.
Another thing that is not great about the Northeast is that so much of the population lives near the coast. As we saw in Japan recently, living near a coastline is not necessarily a good thing. While it is likely safer to live along the east coast then the west coast, the truth is that there is an inherent level of insecurity when it comes to living in coastal areas. You never know when the next hurricane, oil spill or tsunami is going to strike.
Also, the Northeast is really quite cold. So staying warm and growing your own food would be more difficult than in some other areas of the country.
The Mid-Atlantic is one of the most beautiful areas of the nation. Unfortunately, it suffers from many of the same problems that the Northeast does.
The Mid-Atlantic has a very high population density. For example, the area around Washington D.C. is pretty much all suburbs for 50 miles in all directions.
The weather is nicer than in the Northeast and there are some less dense areas once you get south of Washington D.C.
If you think that the Mid-Atlantic might be for you, you might want to check out North Carolina or South Carolina. The people tend to get friendlier the further south you go and there are definitely some areas that could potentially work.
Florida is generally not going to be a place that you want to be during an economic collapse. The housing market has absolutely collapsed down there and the crime rate is already very high. It is also very densely populated.
The weather is very nice down in Florida, but one big thing that you need to consider when it comes to Florida is the fact that it is very flat and most of Florida is just barely above sea level. In fact, quite a bit of Florida is actually below sea level.
In addition, hurricanes are always a major threat in Florida. It is a beautiful state, but there is a lot of risk to living down there.
The Southeast has really taken a pounding over the last few years. First it was Hurricane Katrina, and then it was the BP oil spill and then it was the tornadoes of 2011.
There is a lot of poverty in that area of the country. There is also a lot of crime.
There are a lot of great people who live down in the Southeast, but if you do not know your way around it can be a very difficult place to move to.
One of my favorite places east of the Mississippi River are the mountains along the Tennessee/North Carolina border. If you must be in the eastern half of the United States, that is not a bad choice.
Where you do not want to be is anywhere near the New Madrid fault zone. The New Madrid fault zone covers portions of Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi. The biggest earthquakes in the history of the United States were caused by the New Madrid fault. Many are convinced that we are going to see an absolutely catastrophic earthquake along the New Madrid fault at some point.
So if you want to live in the Mid-South, it is highly recommended that you stay far away from the New Madrid fault zone.
The Upper Midwest
The Upper Midwest was once one of the great manufacturing regions of the world, but now much of it is known as the "rust belt".
Formerly great manufacturing cities such as Detroit are now absolute hellholes. Tens of thousands of our factories and millions of our jobs have been shipped overseas.
There are some really great people (including some good friends of this column) that live up there, but the truth is that the region is really cold and unemployment is rampant.
The Upper Midwest is an area that people want to get out of. It is probably not a great place to move to.
However, if you do need a job, one place to look is a little bit west of there. Thanks to an abundance of natural resources, unemployment in North Dakota and South Dakota is very low. If you really need a job you might want to look into those two states.
In the Southwest there are a whole lot of freedom-loving Americans, the weather is very warm and there is a lot of space to get lost.
However, the Southwest is also very dry and in many areas there is not a lot of water. Drought and wildfires are quite common.
In addition, illegal immigration is rampant and is a constant security threat.
If you are familiar with that area of the country it is not a bad choice, but if you do not know what you are doing it could end up being disastrous for you.
The Great Plains
As long as you are far enough away from the New Madrid fault, the Great Plains is not a bad choice.
It is very, very flat out there, and it can be quite windy, but the good news is that you should be able to grow your own food.
In addition, the population density is generally very low in most areas.
One big negative, as we have seen recently, is tornadoes. The United States experiences more tornadoes that anywhere else in the world, and "tornado alley" generally gets the worst of it.
The West Coast
During an economic collapse, the West Coast is not a place that you will really want to be. Just take a look at the state of California already. It is an economic nightmare.
Millions of people have left California over the past couple of decades. The millions of people that have left have been replaced mostly with illegal aliens.
Oregon is better, although they have very high taxes and they are experiencing huge economic problems right now as well.
The best area along the West Coast is the Seattle area, but you won't want to be anywhere near a major population center when things totally fall apart.
Also, the West Coast lies along the "Ring of Fire". Considering what just happened in Japan and what has been happening in other areas along the Ring of Fire lately, the West Coast is not an area that a lot of people are recommending.
Large numbers of freedom-loving Americans have been moving to the states of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. You can also throw eastern Washington and eastern Oregon into this category as well.
It gets cold up in the Northwest, but not as cold as the Upper Midwest. There are lots of rivers, streams and lakes and in certain areas there is plenty of rain.
The population density is very low in most areas and there is an abundance of wildlife. Housing prices are reasonable and in many areas you can grow your own food.
The Northwest is one of the favorite areas of the United States for preppers. It is far from perfect, but it does have a lot of advantages.
Alaska And Hawaii
Neither Alaska or Hawaii is recommended. Alaska lies along the "Ring of Fire" and it is very, very cold. Also, almost everything has to be either shipped or flown into Alaska. In the event of a real economic collapse, supplies to Alaska could be cut off and shortages could develop very quickly.
Hawaii has a huge population and it does not have a lot of room. Like Alaska, most supplies have to be either shipped in or flown in. And one really bad tsunami could pretty much wipe Hawaii out.
But once again, there is no "right answer". There are areas of just about every U.S. state that could potentially work well during a major economic collapse.
When assessing where "the best place to live in the United States" is, it is important to examine your own personal factors. What will work for me and for my family will not necessarily work for you and your family.
So what do all of you think about this list? Which area of the country do you think is best for those Americans who are seeking to prepare themselves for the coming economic collapse?
Southern California is the one of the best places in America to be homeless.
Food for thought ping....
What Is The Best Place To Live In The United States To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse?
Anywhere but a large city.
The feral yoots already have a stranglehold on most major cities. When TSHTF, it will only get worse.
Also. Check out any of FR’s great prepper threads on how to prepare for any crisis yet to come.
“I’d love to tell ya, but then I’d have to kill ya.”
Whatever you do, stay away from New Hampshire.
And all you Californicators - stay away from Texas. Y’all done screwed the pooch in your own damn state. Don’t try comning here to do the same damn thing.
Hawaii has a huge population and it does not have a lot of room.[ BS.... lots of people in Waikiki maybe m but elsewhere there are lots of wide open spaces . Lots of work although fairly low paid , but if worse comes to worse you can totally live off the land and the sea in Hawaii and NEVER have to worry about freezing to death . Some places you can still buy rural subdivision land for under 10K per acre . Beat that anywhere .
Like Alaska, most supplies have to be either shipped in or flown in.[ true and including gasoline , but any enterprising and industrious can beat the system and get themselves self-sustainable , and their family , within a relatively short while . Of course folks with money can get there a whole lot quicker!] And one really bad tsunami could pretty much wipe Hawaii out. [ pure BS , tsunamis only affect a small area along the coastline . I wouldn’t want to be there after an asteroid strike in the middle of the Pacific though , but what are you really going to allow yourself to worry about ? ]
Good on ya Bro! Eff the massholes. Thanks for giving me a good night laugh!
As long as you mention the New Madrid fault, you might as well mention volcanoes (Mt. St. Helens) as well as earthquakes (potential for a 9+ and associated tsunami) in the northwest. Then there’s the supervolcano in Yellowstone. Really, it’s a matter of choosing your poison. Do you want to face drought and wildfires, or baseball-sized hail, or hurricanes, or -40 weeks, or earthquakes and/or tsunamis, or periodic torrential rainfall and flooding (Fargo, ND)? Not to mention the people who live in various places.
I would say any place with a light population, mild weather, and plenty of high quality water.
That pretty much matches the Florida panhandle. There are a huge number of natural springs, both large and small. Most of it is well above sea level.
You can get by with only a small amount of food for a pretty long time but having bad water will make you sick quick.
You better know how to hunt and fish. Oh, and live somewhere that has ample hunting (trapping) and fishing.
.. at least while there’s a dole to be on.
Glad to oblige. My wife is a MA escapee.
Wow, that’s a huge statement. I’m attracted to NH because it’s the most freedom-oriented state in the Northeast, and the Northeast is where the jobs are.
I’m a bit concerned how much it varies by town though. In one town they have some good laws, in another, not so good at all.
There’s a lot to be concerned about. But I’ve been thinking that living in NH & working in MA might be the way to go for a few years.
The best place for me to reside, in the event of an economic collapse would be in your house.
I’ll live in your basement, I’m not picky.
A country boy can survive!
Is it really a great idea to be so far from anyone?
I’m staying right here in Michigan. In the event of an economic collapse it won’t really matter where you go if you’re looking for employment. I wouldn’t live in Detroit in the best of times.
Hunting and fishing opportunities abound and the soil is plenty fertile for growing food. The climate isn’t terrible unless you’re used to something milder. We don’t get the strong storms of the plains, our flooding problems are pretty minor, no earthquakes, and our brush and forest fires are mostly restricted to the north where there is sparse population.
I agree. Most people live in a large city or in the burbs. Whatever part of the country you live in you don’t have to move thousands of miles away. Just get a small retreat out in the country and stock it up. If things get untenable you can bug out to it indefinitely or you and your family can also enjoy it as a weekend and vacation getaway. If you are trapped in the city when the collapse comes you will lead a dangerous and miserable existence. Start planning now and be ready.
Hi blam! How are you? One point I’d like to bring up is that living in a big city like New York might actually be an advantage because police, fire, etc, services may be prioritized to be able to continue there. But who knows?
>>What Is The Best Place To Live In The United States To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse?<<
Close to family and friends who may be able to assist you in your search for employment or a ride to the doctors office.
The more southern states have shorter winters. Outside of immediate large cities, there are TONS of wide open spaces, natural water sources, ability to grow food, natural wildlife, fishing, etc.
Oklahoma has some great mountain ranges; perfect for hiding and hunting. Southern Texas is too hot in the summer; west Texas, you'd better have relatives, because country boys know how to survive but they also know how to shoot accurately.
Nebraska is wide open.
The hills in Kentucky and Tennessee are cultures unto themselves.
Oh, whatEVER! :)
I still say North Central Missouri or South Central Iowa. Plenty of everything to survive in an economic collapse.
According to this guy, himself the survivor of the massive inflation that ruined Argentina in the 1980s and 1990s, the following (Americanized) general rules apply:
It is required reading for the times ahead, IMHO.
Anyone serious about this issue should pay close attention to the expert. Consider hiring him for consulting.
A small rural town, with it’s own power supply.
My rural small town is fairly easy to defend, thanks to terrain, not directly on a primary Interstate, plenty of silo storage, and has a small moth-balled hydro plant for power, if need be.
In short, we can be self-sufficient, and defendable, for an extended period, if need be.
The only real problem in a total collapse would be fuel, but with small Natgas wells in the area, and a couple of homemade biodeisel stills, we could make it
Katrina and the recent tornadoes did not take place in the “South East”. This author is geographically challenged.
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And what does living near a fault line have to do with an ‘economic collapse’?
In addition to the cold and hostile population, the soil is very, very rocky.
So rocky that you'd spend all your time prying and pulling rocks out of the soil to carry them all the way to the edge of your field. Not fun.
Each winter's frost heave brings new rocks to the surface every year, so every year you have to do it all over again.
I guess I’m screwed, since I live in Florida.
Oh well, at least I have a cow, chickens, and a little land.
B.S. Maybe in Argentina, but not out here!
The most jobs in the country are in North and South Dakota. Plus, the ratio of cost of living to average family income in those state is extremely favorable.
The writer of the book Civil War 2 mentions an area he calls the 'Dothan (Ala) Pensacola (Fla) Corridor' as a desirable place to be in a Civil War.
I'm not far from there and plan to look around in that area for a 'spot' of refuge in the near future.
I’m sorry, but all this natural disaster stuff has nothing to do with an economic collapse.
The author’s insistence on crime rates in the South betrays shallow research. The urbanized NE ares have - and will have, larger crime rates than the South.
Florida is not under Sea Level and is not some dangerous place to live.
Employment in the NE during a major collapse? - Don’t make me laugh.
You had best be all very well armed and prepared to shoot at any time up there, because the very definition of economic “collapse” means huge unemployment in any such area.
Ummm..Bama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi isn’t the Southeast? What do you think SEC stands for in college football?
That's been a growing problem already in Maine, where rural drug use and poverty is causing theft and burglaries to increase dramtically.
I’ll read the whole article later. But I will add (in case the author doesn’t mention it) that it’s a good idea to live more than one gas tank away from any large city.
There’s a big crowd that does that. That’s why 93 is being widened from Manchester to the state line. And that’s why Rockingham County is the reddest part of the state, thank you very much.
You’d still be paying Massive taxes but at least you wouldn’t be living there. I wouldn’t live in Mass. on a bet. I’d move to Maine were I to leave here. It’s sorta like New Hampshire but a lot flatter and poorer with lots more room. People are nicer.
That’s what I like about my little village. 150 people, heavily armed, on one side of a lake with a dam. Better yet is the fact that there are other little towns all around with family and social connections for trading and aiding.
In a van, down by the river.
I never knew that about New England rocks.
Back home in eastern NC, you gotta learn how to grow stuff in piney, acidic, sandy soil. It can be done, just not easily. Helps to know a chicken farmer, if you know what I mean.
You’re making me feel better for not leaving the state. :)