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Despite DNA evidence, some doubt bin Laden really dead
Seattle Times ^ | May 2, 2011 | Matea Gold, Eryn Brown and David S. Cloud

Posted on 05/02/2011 8:57:48 PM PDT by UniqueViews

Within hours of the raid on Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound, the CIA had used 21st technology to get "a virtually 100 percent DNA match" on the dead man. But something out of another century may come back to haunt the United States: the al-Qaida leader's burial at sea.

Conspiracy theorists on the left and right were quick to insist bin Laden was either still alive or had been dead for years, pouncing on the government's decision to slide the body of the world's most wanted man off a board into the Arabian Sea.

The burial at sea largely followed widely accepted interpretations of Islamic law taking care not to anger the mainstream Muslim community, said Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of Islamic studies at Duke University in North Carolina.

With only a small group of witnesses, a military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a "native speaker," the official said.

The Islamic tradition of a quick burial was the subject of intense debate in Iraq in 2003 when U.S. forces embalmed the bodies of Saddam Hussein's two sons after they were killed in a firefight. Their bodies later were shown to media.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; binladendead; burial; cindysheehan; conspiracytheory; deather; deathers; islamicburial; islamiclaw; obama; osama; wot
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Why would the "mainstream Muslim community" be "angered" over how a terrorist leader is buried, unless they sympathized with him?!

Isn't this going a little too far to bury a terrorist? I wonder what the "religious remarks" said, that Bin Laden was a great man?

1 posted on 05/02/2011 8:57:50 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

No body, no Bin Laden dead.


2 posted on 05/02/2011 8:59:25 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: UniqueViews

They did not bury him at sea. The body is right next to that body part of John Dillinger and Kennedy’s brain.


3 posted on 05/02/2011 9:03:51 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Compare how Bush handled when we killed Saddam Hussein’s two sons in a raid:

“in Iraq in 2003 when U.S. forces embalmed the bodies of Saddam Hussein’s two sons after they were killed in a firefight. Their bodies later were shown to media.”

Why didn’t Obama do the same thing — allow the UK and other countries to take their own DNA sample from the body and do their own DNA analysis and show the dead body to the media?


4 posted on 05/02/2011 9:05:06 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

Because no one dare question The One. It’s beneath him to have to prove anything. Heck, supposedly he refused to release a perfectly legit BC for years just because.


5 posted on 05/02/2011 9:07:53 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Despite DNA evidence, some doubt bin Laden really dead I still doubt Oswald killed JFK. Of course there was nothing as definitive as DNA back in the day.
6 posted on 05/02/2011 9:08:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/Bachmann, unbeatable.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Gentlemen!

START YOR CONSPIRICy’s


7 posted on 05/02/2011 9:09:36 PM PDT by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: UniqueViews

OH STOP....GET A LIFE, IF YOU NEED A CHUNK OF HIS BODY TO prove to you that he is dead...O.K. I guess, but you are unrealistic....by the way, Tojo and Hitler are also dead...I’m not certain about Stalin


8 posted on 05/02/2011 9:11:09 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: UniqueViews

Despite DNA evidence, some doubt bin Laden really dead

Well yeah. after all the story of his death come from “our” Government. Maybe we should TRUST BUT VERIFY.


9 posted on 05/02/2011 9:11:17 PM PDT by Tupelo
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To: UniqueViews

They should have fed his body to the hogs.


10 posted on 05/02/2011 9:11:30 PM PDT by Vietnam Vet From New Mexico (Pray For Our Troops)
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To: UniqueViews

Great, now the “deathers”...


11 posted on 05/02/2011 9:11:57 PM PDT by neodad (Don't Tap, Just Drill!)
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To: UniqueViews

What DNA evidence? Them saying they have DNA evidence?

What would DNA evidence say to a layman?


12 posted on 05/02/2011 9:12:12 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: kennyboy509

Men did not land on Mars! Oh wait that hasn’t happened yet so I gotta wait.
Until then...Men did not land on the moon. ;)

( they actually did but I’m jst positing my fave conspiracy— I gotta add this disclaimer for those that don’t get the point. sigh.)


13 posted on 05/02/2011 9:13:37 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: UniqueViews

The American people and the world deserve to see photographic evidence.


14 posted on 05/02/2011 9:14:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (There have not been 50 million babies murdered in America; there has been 1 murder, 50 million times)
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To: UniqueViews

If the Department of the Navy says he is dead, He is dead.


15 posted on 05/02/2011 9:14:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: UniqueViews
“Why didn’t Obama do the same thing — allow the UK and other countries to take their own DNA sample from the body and do their own DNA analysis and show the dead body to the media?”

I was going to give a longer explanation, but this one is short and explains it all: obama is a narcissist.

16 posted on 05/02/2011 9:15:10 PM PDT by piytar (The Four Horsemen: War, Pestilence, Famine, and Bob. Be not proud, Bob! (ht to Gen.Blather))
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To: UniqueViews

bin-laden is currently shark food, but because of the arrogant jerk in the white house, millions of conspiracists have been created. Show the da.. fotos you conceited nitwit, and get it over with.


17 posted on 05/02/2011 9:15:40 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: mylife

Because everyone alive can look at comparative DNA sequences and be totally sure it’s him.

[why? can’t ~you~?]

/s

This is a waking nightmare.


18 posted on 05/02/2011 9:16:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Dive in the Arabian sea to find him. Trump can finance your adventure.

Notice that no one rally cares what kooks think, they keyword is ‘reasonable people.’


19 posted on 05/02/2011 9:16:45 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (She does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her)
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To: UniqueViews

What is “virtually 100 percent”? Is that sort of like almost certain?

Me and The Donald want to see the long form of his death certificate.


20 posted on 05/02/2011 9:17:05 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: mylife

>>What would DNA evidence say to a layman?<<

“Buy you a drink, sailor”?


21 posted on 05/02/2011 9:17:10 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: terycarl
OH STOP....GET A LIFE, IF YOU NEED A CHUNK OF HIS BODY TO prove to you that he is dead

At this point I don't believe there is enough doubt in the world that Bin Laden is dead.

Why risk a photo being used as a recruiting tool and possible increased violence if there is really not that much doubt that he was killed.

Now if Al Qaeda starts releasing "new" tapes of Bin Laden and start claiming he's still alive, I say release the evidence then. Why rush? Most people seem to believe he's dead.

22 posted on 05/02/2011 9:17:20 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Random Access

>>Me and The Donald want to see the long form of his death certificate.<<

I am OK with the Certificate of Live Death.


23 posted on 05/02/2011 9:18:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: UniqueViews
They should show us some kind of photo or video of Osama. I want to see the fine handy work of our Navy Seals. It won't put an end to the conspiracy theories but it will send a tingle up my leg.
24 posted on 05/02/2011 9:19:01 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: UniqueViews

There will always be that 1% who will insist that Osama was safely spirited away in a UFO by space aliens.


25 posted on 05/02/2011 9:19:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: UniqueViews

I am having a hard time believing Vinson had a PCR machine aboard. There is simply no need to have one. And there is no way they could have gotten a “positive DNA identification” without one in that short a period of time. I am calling BULLSHIT on that too.

We have one of them in my Microbiology lab and it goes for a cool $125,000. And that is just for the Analyzer. The Amplification machine is another $75,000. Even the DOD would have a hard time justifying that kind of expense for a machine which would get essentially no use.


26 posted on 05/02/2011 9:19:35 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Think about it...if he’s not dead, he’s been handed the propaganda opportunity of a lifetime. All he has to do is release a new video and prove to the world that he’s eluded the mighty USA once again. It would be his virtual apotheosis in the Arab world. So...the question becomes - if he’s not dead, what’s taking him so long? That’s all the proof you really need. Having said all that it would be nice to have a picture, lol.


27 posted on 05/02/2011 9:19:41 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: UniqueViews
Let's see now, we were lied to about Freddy and Fanny, about the unemployment numbers, about tax dollars for abortion, about health care, about the economy, uuhhhh, gee if they say he is dead why would we doubt that?
28 posted on 05/02/2011 9:20:11 PM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: UniqueViews

No matter where he is resting, it’s in Spanish.


29 posted on 05/02/2011 9:21:37 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Salamander

I am a technical guy, but that isnt my field. I would have no idea what I was looking at.

You hang Osama from a lamp post at I know what I am looking at.

I just find it odd that the whitehouse is releasing tons of details and Obama is taking credit for personally commanding the killing of Osama but he is shit skeered to show a picture for fear that it will hurt our tender sensibilities and foment the jihadis.


30 posted on 05/02/2011 9:22:13 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

>There will always be that 1% who will insist that Osama was safely spirited away in a UFO by space aliens.<

I thought it was a hopeychangey unicorn?


31 posted on 05/02/2011 9:22:49 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: EternalVigilance

I thought a jesse james or clanton style photo would suffice but these are different times.


32 posted on 05/02/2011 9:23:18 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: UniqueViews

Some doubt..

Well the Obamamedia has told us this happned a week ago, then told us it happened Sunday...

Osama’s wife was killed and used as a shield, and then told us no she wasn’t.

Osama lived in a posh mansion, and then tell us he had no phone, cable, internet etc...

And the really big one....he was carefully washed, wrapped in white linen and ‘eased’ into the sea.....

The Elite Navy 6 took Osama out without Pakistan’s help, then Hillary C. says Pakistan helped...

Single shot to the head, then they report it’s 2 shots to the head, then it’s 2 to the head, one in the chest etc..

Osama didn’t resist or fight back, then it was he went down shooting...

No proof, no pictures, no video. Not that I would believe it with all the friends they have in hollywood anyway...

So what tropical Island did Obama and Holder set Osama up on?


33 posted on 05/02/2011 9:24:46 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: freedumb2003

LoL!


34 posted on 05/02/2011 9:25:41 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: fish hawk

“Despite DNA evidence, some doubt”........DAMN! The OJ Jury, wonder what happened to them!


35 posted on 05/02/2011 9:27:12 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: UniqueViews

I don’t know where they get this idea that Islamic tradition calls for a ‘quick burial’. In my experience, Islamic tradition in this case would call for his naked body being dragged through the streets of New York City behind a NYFD fire truck.


36 posted on 05/02/2011 9:31:57 PM PDT by Sienovan
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To: UniqueViews
they a-hole is dead. geez..

The only questionable thing about it is how long has he been dead. Did obama just decide to capitalize on something that was already done? I tend to believe he was killed monday morning as reported. The only thing that shocks me is that the taliban or some other muslim dirtbag organization hasn't released a news bit on arab Tv claiming the compound was a nursery for orphaned babies and binladen was never there.
No way obama would risk lying about it and then have farty-pants binladen rear his head a week later. bambam would be the laughing stock of the planet... not that he isn't already

37 posted on 05/02/2011 9:32:13 PM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: UniqueViews
Merrikuns

  Ding Dong! The Osama is dead. Which old Osama? The Wicked Osama!
  Ding Dong! The Wicked Osama is dead.
  Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
  Wake up, the Wicked Osama is dead. He's gone where the goblins go,
  Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
  Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
  Let them know
  The Wicked Osama is dead!

President

  As President of Washington DC, In the County of the Land of the Merrikuns, I welcome you most regally.

Deather

  But we've got to verify it legally, to see

President

  To see?

Deather

  If he

President

  If he?

Deather

  Is morally, ethic'lly

Senator No.1

  Spiritually, physically

Senator No. 2

  Positively, absolutely

Merrikuns

  Undeniably and reliably Dead

Coroner

  As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined the curr.
  And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

President

  Then this is a day of Independence For all the Merrikuns and their descendants

Deather

  If any.

President

  Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Witch at last is dead!

38 posted on 05/02/2011 9:32:37 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: mylife

Forgive me for forgetting his name... we saw him be beheaded. If we saw that, I think we can handle seeing a photo of a dead osama. A video would be better, think Holder will share?


39 posted on 05/02/2011 9:33:30 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: notfornothing

The US Gov has already said ‘We believe there is another message tape from Osama that was recorded “shortly” before the operation that hasn’t surfaced yet.’

Plausible deniability.

I will never Trust Obama took Osama out while he is setting up Zawahiri and the muslim brotherhood in Egypt at well ass the whole north of Africa.

Just color me cynical.


40 posted on 05/02/2011 9:33:36 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: quantim

LOL!


41 posted on 05/02/2011 9:34:31 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Nicholas Berg


42 posted on 05/02/2011 9:34:58 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1 .00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: UniqueViews

some say he’s been dead for years already.


43 posted on 05/02/2011 9:35:15 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: tsowellfan

I think the point is that although everyone agrees he’s dead, the big question is *when* did he actually die?

Blown up in Tora Bora?

Kidney failure in a cave, somewhere?

Croaked in his sleep?

Trampled to death by a herd of camels?

When 0 needs poll pimping distractions most, suddenly OBL is “captured/maimed beyond recognition/killed/tossed overboard”?

Too many convenient alibis and plausible denials.

I spent years comforting a friend who was paranoid beyond belief because of “conspiracy theories” and I’m not a huge fan of them, simply because of that.

They can destroy a person’s life.
[the friend is okay now, though]

However, based on the never-ending subterfuges and Machiavellian machinations of the The Won’s presidency, I find myself intensely skeptical of this whole affair.

The BC BS didn’t help his credibility, either.


44 posted on 05/02/2011 9:35:24 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: mylife
Yeah the "new" Osama tape coming out soon is weird.

Could be though, that a copy of it was gathered when they picked thru the compound.
45 posted on 05/02/2011 9:37:03 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: mewykwistmas

“they keyword is ‘reasonable people.’”

OK — here is one for “reasonable people”.

The UBL compound is 100 yards from a Pakistani military base. 4 helicopters fly in, there is a 40 minute fire-flight and nobody from the military base wonders and goes to find out what’s going on?

We just need to Obama’s word for everything. There are two ways to look at it — how can some people be so gullible, or how can people doubt things, even though Obama supplies no evidence. Bush provided evidence about Saddam’s sons, why couldn’t Obama do the same, that would have put doubts by “reasonable people” to rest?


46 posted on 05/02/2011 9:37:09 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

Obama said he would not kill Osama. So maybe he has been put in a military safe house. Hmmmmm?


47 posted on 05/02/2011 9:37:11 PM PDT by jetson
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To: tsowellfan

“Now if Al Qaeda starts releasing “new” tapes of Bin Laden and start claiming he’s still alive, I say release the evidence then.”

There haven’t been any videotapes of Bin Laden released for years...


48 posted on 05/02/2011 9:38:17 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: mylife

Fine, let’s see it. All he has to do is mention specifics about the attack or put up some other evidence that proves it was made ex post facto. It shouldn’t be hard to do at all. Remember, the propaganda gains from such a video would be immeasurable. The silence is becoming deafening.


49 posted on 05/02/2011 9:38:57 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: outhousepatrol

>>The OJ Jury, wonder what happened to them!<<

I think they all wrote books and retired to Martha’s Vineyard...


50 posted on 05/02/2011 9:39:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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