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AOL News: Osama Bin Laden Was Unarmed During Navy SEAL Raid, Says White House (Baaaaarf!)
AOL News ^ | 4/5/11 | MATT APUZZO and ADAM GOLDMAN

Posted on 05/04/2011 2:40:36 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

Panetta said that bin Laden made "some threatening moves that were made that clearly represented a clear threat to our guys. And that's the reason they fired."

The SEALs were back in the U.S. at Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington for debriefing on the raid, lawmakers said after meeting with Panetta.

The question of how to present bin Laden's death to the world is a difficult balancing act for the White House. President Barack Obama told Americans that justice had been done, but the White House also declared that bin Laden's body was treated respectfully and sent to rest in a somber ceremony at sea.

Panetta underscored on Tuesday that Obama had given permission to kill the terror leader: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden," he said. "And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

For the long-term legacy of the most successful counterterrorism operation in U.S. history, the fact that bin Laden was unarmed is unlikely to matter much to the Americans he declared war against. President George W. Bush famously said he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive," and the CIA's top counterterrorism official once promised to bring bin Laden's head back on a stake.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; osama; panetta; unarmed
In the world of Huff Post/AOL collaboration, UBL was murdered, the CIA is part of the WH, and this was the "most successful counterterrism operation in US history". BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF!
1 posted on 05/04/2011 2:40:47 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Uh yeah, so were 3000 beautiful Americans on 911.


2 posted on 05/04/2011 2:43:48 AM PDT by Bullish (IT ALWAYS ENDS UP WITH HEADS ON PIKES)
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To: Eleutheria5
the CIA's top counterterrorism official once promised to bring bin Laden's head back on a stake

That would have been the smart thing to do.

3 posted on 05/04/2011 2:44:11 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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Ok they weren’t all Americans but you know what I mean.


4 posted on 05/04/2011 2:45:04 AM PDT by Bullish (IT ALWAYS ENDS UP WITH HEADS ON PIKES)
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To: Cementjungle

So where’s the stake?


5 posted on 05/04/2011 2:45:04 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Bullish

Fuuuuuuu....

Didn’t take Obama and his White House rats to throw the SEALs under the bus, did it?

Why am I NOT surprised???


6 posted on 05/04/2011 2:45:57 AM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: Eleutheria5

OBL could have turned himself in.


7 posted on 05/04/2011 2:50:31 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: Ronin

Panetta is not with the White House. He’s director of the CIA. Many SEALS join CIA. Many CIA were once SEALS. Obama is an habitual bus-thrower. But an intelligence agency ought to have at least some internal loyalty.


8 posted on 05/04/2011 2:50:42 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“The authority here was to kill bin Laden,” he said. “And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn’t appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.”

To this day they still attribute this western ideal to them about surrendering with their hands up.

They still don’t understand that these people often wear suicide vests and blow themselves up?

It would be bad enough for your average Joe to talk like that, but head of the CIA?

What about those CIA people blown up at a Birthday party?

How long does it take to gain a clue?


9 posted on 05/04/2011 2:55:29 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: Eleutheria5

didnt they have live feed as the operation was happening so how come there so many conflicting reports. Some couldn’t stop themselves from lying?


10 posted on 05/04/2011 3:04:41 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

They were so eager to get the news out, they forgot to synchronize lies before going public.


11 posted on 05/04/2011 3:06:59 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

The WH staff was in the ‘situation room’ watching direct helmet-cam live-time video.

ALL of the details have come through the WH/SofS. The amount of misinformation released is both astounding and simply not understandable.

The only consistency is the bravery and training of our troops.

No wonder there was no poll bounce for Zero.


12 posted on 05/04/2011 3:10:54 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Ronin
Click for 18 seconds of humor from Michael Berry: 2 shots and a splash


4x

13 posted on 05/04/2011 3:14:26 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Ronin

Worse yet, to the black community the conflicting accounts sound like a replay of so many controversial cop shootings, a meme exploited by the left to divide Amerticans. I’m convinced that this mixed message is a deliberate political effort by the Chicago thugs.
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14 posted on 05/04/2011 3:18:15 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Ronin

When did he do that? I haven’t heard anything like that from the WH.


15 posted on 05/04/2011 3:18:55 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Eleutheria5

The question of how to present bin Laden’s death to the world is a difficult balancing act for the White House.

Horseshit!
Its easy.
Hey world. We killed an evil murdering piece of shit terrorist. You are welcome.


16 posted on 05/04/2011 3:22:28 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Eleutheria5

Hmm... I’m having a tough time believing he wasn’t armed. Our guys didn’t drift quietly in through his bedroom window on dandelion seeds. They rappelled down from noisy helicopters, blew doors open and got into a firefight on the ground floor before making their way up to bin Laden’s room. I thought he always kept a gun nearby so what the heck? He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself.


17 posted on 05/04/2011 3:26:45 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: SECURE AMERICA

It’s getting worse: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110504/wl_nm/us_binladen_legitimacy

Obama’s going to wind up putting the Seals on trial for murder... that’s my guess.


18 posted on 05/04/2011 3:27:21 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: LibWhacker
I thought he always kept a gun nearby so what the heck? He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself.

The guy was a rich coward who sat back and allowed others to do his dirty work (including suicide attacks) for him.

I have no doubt that he kept himself deliberately unarmed so that he WOULD be captured alive. He was trusting that the Americans - being "Americans" (and therefore, as he saw it, weak and squishy due to their feminized understanding of "justice") wouldn't kill him and would bring him back to put on trial. Where he'd have a platform to spew his jihadist cr*p to the rest of the world in a circus that would make the OJ criminal trial look like a nickel sideshow.

We owe the NAVY SEALs a debt of gratitude for taking the kill-shot, and preventing that. And also quickly sending him to a place where (hopefully) he gets a pineapple shoved up his a** every half hour.
19 posted on 05/04/2011 3:38:31 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Eleutheria5
I expect the anti-war idiots to be up in arms about this!
20 posted on 05/04/2011 3:42:36 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Cementjungle
"The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.

The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members. "

Al Arabiya

21 posted on 05/04/2011 3:59:55 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: tobyhill

Don’t hold your breath.


22 posted on 05/04/2011 4:00:04 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

It’s beginning to sound to me like the Administration wanted to take UBL alive but the SEALS had other ideas. The Administration can’t get the story straight because it wasn’t their game plan.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 4:05:21 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: LibWhacker

I think he was under house arrest.@


24 posted on 05/04/2011 4:08:07 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“What about those CIA people blown up at a Birthday party?”

When did this happen? I don’t recall this.


25 posted on 05/04/2011 4:09:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization that must be outlawed)
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To: sgtyork
Fox & FRiends are insistant that their source says that Osama was armed.

When they questioned their source again they said they do not know why the WH is claiming he didn't, but he did have one.

26 posted on 05/04/2011 4:12:54 AM PDT by mware
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To: HarleyD

“It’s beginning to sound to me like the Administration wanted to take UBL alive but the SEALS had other ideas.”

I’ve been thinking along these lines since the news broke. I’d normally doubt that SEAL’s would take it upon themselves to put aside their orders, but this particular situation may have been different in their minds. It would have been in mine. To hell with Obozo and his courtroom sideshow.


27 posted on 05/04/2011 4:16:57 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I have a different take on all this.It seems to me it’s the WH staff along with the CIA and others that is throwing BHO under the bus. The unflattering photo in the Sit room, Rumors of preasure on the pres from HC and LP, but now it’s all Obama’s fault, it was his orders, etc.


28 posted on 05/04/2011 4:20:21 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m left with a question for the liberals in America: Why is it OK to authorize troops to kill OBL and not OK to use enhanced interrogation techniques on him in the event we captured him?


29 posted on 05/04/2011 4:25:44 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Liberals believe it’s better to kill them than “torture” or offend them, kinda like it’s better to kill Grandma than pay for her hip surgery. It’s part of their backward mentality and stunning hypocrisy.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 4:32:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: HarleyD
"...but the SEALS had other ideas."

I sincerely doubt that. The SEALS are highly trained, precise, and follow orders to the letter. Various mission breakdowns and wasted time would result in any "Cowboys" among the unit.

My guess, they were ordered to kill, last thing Obama and the rest of his administration would want is the biggest living terrorist magnet alive waiting for a trial. Could not score political points if you kept the "prisoner" a secret as well.

This whole episode boils down to politics; Obama gets the "stroking" of an American Presidential hero while at the same time making the US military look like cold blooded assassins. Obama: "I wanted him alive and we were in position to take him. I guess those SEALS must have been Republicans because they sure acted like Bush's violent and reckless "Cowboys". Also, the violence was all Hillary's fault too."

To this administration, just like all other would be or perfect totalitarian regimes, the people are "too stupid" to know the truth. We are not a free people, we are all useful idiots in the current White House perspective. Hence, all the disinformation from a very immature Administration.
31 posted on 05/04/2011 4:42:40 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: sergeantdave
Birthday Cake Awaited Suicide Bomber at CIA Base
32 posted on 05/04/2011 4:47:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: Eleutheria5
"The question of how to present bin Laden's death to the world is a difficult balancing act for the White House"

Then why is Obambi going to ground zero tomorrow to gloat about it?

33 posted on 05/04/2011 4:47:57 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: LibWhacker

>”He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself.”

Yes, if Bin Laden wasn’t armed that late in the attack, it was on purpose, and he had hopes of being captured alive. I’m glad he was killed anyway, and thereby deprived of the opportunity of using his trial for propaganda. In this instance “wanted dead or alive” — but preferably dead! — was justified.

Ideally he’d have been captured, waterboarded for information, then killed (executed after a non-public trial abroad), but this administration probably wouldn’t have had the gumption to do that. Also, as I understand it, while he was in hiding, he wouldn’t have known about many of the details of Al-Qaeda operations. So maybe the information lost by killing him without interrogating him wasn’t as important as we might think.


34 posted on 05/04/2011 5:03:51 AM PDT by GJones2 (Bin Laden not armed?)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I hope a bunch of muzzies show up to protest him when the event occurs. I also hope that the MSM gets it on live TV.


35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:30:45 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: tanknetter

> The guy was a rich coward who sat back and allowed others to do his dirty work (including suicide attacks) for him.

It’s possible that when it came time to face death, Bin Laden became a coward, but I doubt it. He was a rich person who could have led a relatively safe and self-indulgent life if he’d chosen not to become a terrorist. He knew he was putting his life on the line when he made that choice. I don’t doubt that evil fanatics are capable of being brave. (I think they’re typically more brave than the average person.) That doesn’t keep them from being contemptible, though.

My guess is that the reason he didn’t fight to the death (which would have enhanced his reputation as a heroic figure among those inclined to support him) is that he hoped to use his trial as a forum to spread his message. Killing him while he was unarmed — whether on purpose or because he really was thought to be resisting — isn’t going to hurt the U.S. much, though.

It’s hard for a terrorist of his notoriety to play the role of victim. Whatever victim value his being killed while being unarmed might have is more than counterbalanced by the detrimental effect of his not fighting to the death (when he had the opportunity to do so). Being killed while trying to surrender isn’t a heroic way to go.


36 posted on 05/04/2011 5:31:48 AM PDT by GJones2 (Bin Laden not armed?)
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To: LibWhacker

“He had to have heard them coming and he had more than enough time to arm himself”

Reports are that there were a lot of children in his bedroom. I guess he was just being a good mass murdering father by not having weapons lay around. /s


37 posted on 05/04/2011 5:51:30 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Cementjungle

I put nothing past Obama but that would be one very stupid move.


38 posted on 05/04/2011 6:02:59 AM PDT by surrey
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To: eastforker

I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. They must know this guy is a sick puppy, and they don’t want to go down with him.


39 posted on 05/04/2011 6:03:29 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
"And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

Let's go to the video tape! Mel, are we looking at a case where a tie goes to the runner, here?

Close doesn't describe it, Jerry! Did OBL have his hands in the air before the team was able to squeeze off a couple of rounds? It appears his hands are coming forward and his palms aaaare juuuust beginning to show before we see the first muzzle flash (Ku-POW!) but gee, I dunno, Jerry, it's just too close to call!

Well, Mel, you do have to determine whether OBL is in fact, surrendering at that point. According to league rules, in order to surrender, an opponents hands do have to be above the chest and if we roll the tape again, I don't believe his hands have reached his nipples!

Well, Jer, I have seen close ones in my time, but this has got to rank up there with some of the all-time closest calls! That's it from the booth and back to Tony in the studio...

40 posted on 05/04/2011 6:15:43 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Eleutheria5

Oh so what now they want to go after the NAVY SEALS that killed OBL? If that happens, then Obama’s numbers will tank.


41 posted on 05/04/2011 6:30:38 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: HarleyD
I doubt that. I think Obama gave the troops orders to kill him and not take him alive.
Imagine if he was captured. We would have to give him a trial where he could say whatever he wanted. We wouldn't be the audience he cared about, the Muslim world would be.
How many Americans would be captured and held hostage all over the world as their captors demanded OBLs release?
42 posted on 05/04/2011 6:50:21 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Eleutheria5

When videos of OBL surfaced after 9/11 with him gloating about the murders, he signed his execution warrant. To shot or blown up on sight with no warning and no chance to surrender.


43 posted on 05/04/2011 6:59:21 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: BobP

Let’s not forget the ambush of Yamamoto! Great shooting!

Some people just need killing.


44 posted on 05/04/2011 7:37:58 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Cardhu

The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members. “

I can live with that! Carte Blanche for our SEALS!


45 posted on 05/04/2011 7:39:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: conejo99
I think Obama gave the troops orders to kill him and not take him alive.

It may be that you're correct but it's not in the nature of a liberal to want to kill. Obama struggled with this decision for 16 hours prior to giving the order-what order we don't know. What's to struggle with???? GITMO should have show all of us that Obama doesn't care if UBL had a platform. He believes that just bring them to trial and everything will be hunky-dory.

The trouble is people are believing Obama was thinking like a conservative-or even a moderate. It is not in his nature.

46 posted on 05/04/2011 1:15:05 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

” I didn’t ask who gave the order, BECAUSE IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BUSINESS!!!”


47 posted on 05/04/2011 3:05:56 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Put Obie in a dress and call him "The Last Queen of Scotland".)
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