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Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph
ABC News ^ | 05/04/2011 | Jake Tapper

Posted on 05/04/2011 4:52:07 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

President Obama is increasingly doubtful that there's a compelling reason to release a photograph of Osama bin Laden's corpse, ABC News has learned.

There don't seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden's death in the Muslim world, with bin Laden's wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden's death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.

Meanwhile, sources say, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are advising the president about concerns at the Pentagon and State Department that releasing a photograph could prompt a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

The internal debate at the White House is then informed by this question: why are we releasing this photograph if no one seems to really doubt his death and releasing it could cause more harm than good?


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Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph; Obama Increasingly Concerned No Good Would Come from It

1 posted on 05/04/2011 4:52:13 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
This will become a complete disaster for us in the war on terrorism

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

2 posted on 05/04/2011 4:55:00 AM PDT by expatguy (Donations Keep The Expat Fueled !)
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To: Smokeyblue
Gates and Clinton are letting AlQaida supporters dictate what we do with our pictures of their dead leader.

I'd take the chance, show the picture, and toss cruise missiles into the midst of any gathering showing objections to it.

I think this is a clear opportunity for getting rid of more AlQaida types than we ever imagined ~ if they will only turn out and display their sympathies.

3 posted on 05/04/2011 4:55:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Smokeyblue
Don't you just love how the whole world is aware of the indecisiveness of our Country's leadership?

It's bad enough that we have to live under this vacillating cloud of ineptitude...do we have to advertise it?

5 posted on 05/04/2011 4:58:03 AM PDT by LoveUSA (You don't notice the night light until it gets dark.)
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To: Smokeyblue

I saw a news report this morning in which the anchor interviewed a local newspaper reporter who happens to cover the Middle East.

She said that she’s spoken to numerous people there who are skeptical about the Bin Laden death because they haven’t seen photos. In the cases of Saddam’s sons and Zarquawi, the official photos were released immediately; since there is a delay in Bin Laden’s case it only fuels greater suspicion.


6 posted on 05/04/2011 4:58:03 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Muzzies go ballistic over a cartoon.......We’re worried about offending who...a bunch of murdering bas*****


7 posted on 05/04/2011 4:58:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: expatguy

“This will become a complete disaster for us in the war on terrorism “

Next we’ll have dirty nukes set off in our cities and in Europe. Obama will declare martial law and shut off the internet so the terrorists can’t use it. The only news we’ll get will be from approved government sources.


8 posted on 05/04/2011 4:59:29 AM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Smokeyblue

Barry already killed him. And he’s afraid of a photo backlash????? Bring it on towelheads. We can take out Mecca in a blink of an eye!


9 posted on 05/04/2011 5:02:41 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Smokeyblue

The chance to publish the photographs is quickly passing. If they are going to do it, do it today or tomorrow. If not, then don’t ever publish it. Otherwise, the administration gives the appearance of intentionally fanning the flames, and will be forced to defend the mantra of “needed more time to doctor the photos.”


10 posted on 05/04/2011 5:02:55 AM PDT by Husker
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To: Smokeyblue
with bin Laden's wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden's death

Are they credible sources? I can think of a number of reasons why they would want the world to think 0sama was dead, but not very many why they would want us to believe he was still alive.

11 posted on 05/04/2011 5:02:55 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This delay already has made it difficult to believe any photos released would be real.

I’m fast coming to the idea it’s not a good idea NOW...too late. They know the public handled Saddams sons....and the fallout from releasing them.

It’s known in the ME “stories” go with the culture. It won’t matter if they are or aren’t published. They will simply design their own story around it...and likely say anything out there is a fake.


12 posted on 05/04/2011 5:06:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: Smokeyblue
I think that all Americans are victims of his terrorism (some much more closely than others), and as such we deserve to see the most compelling possible evidence that justice has been served. Issues of the sensitivities of others, however compelling, take a back seat to this.
13 posted on 05/04/2011 5:06:48 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: MichiganConservative
from your article the president was...working as an absentee president

That's the thing that never smelled right about this whole ordeal: issuing a "kill order" is the total antithesis of Obama's sissified personality.

Somebody please post the picture of Obama and M watching the martial arts demonstration on the White House lawn

... then ask yourselves: can this man kill anything?

14 posted on 05/04/2011 5:06:55 AM PDT by LoveUSA (You don't notice the night light until it gets dark.)
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To: Husker

Concur. Release the damned photos. Failure to do so only invites sense of indecision, ineptitude, weakness.

Show other terrorists what their fate will be if they mess with the United States.

My question: every news outlet keeps saying the raid took 40 minutes - specifically 40 minutes at the compound. What the Hell took 40 minutes? They snatched Elian Gonzales in 5 minutes.

Either the MSM has it wrong and the 40 minutes included the travel time to and from Afghanistan, or something is weird.


15 posted on 05/04/2011 5:08:19 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: Puddleglum

Too late....am thinking that has been their plan. Not to mention easy diversion from other matters we’re not paying attention to know.

I say...it’s just too late and NOW won’t make a difference.


16 posted on 05/04/2011 5:10:30 AM PDT by caww
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To: Smokeyblue

If the shoe was on the other foot...just how long would it take for Osama to post a picture of a killed US president on the internet????????????? 20 seconds? 25 seconds? 30 seconds...

The world of PC just has to disappear!


17 posted on 05/04/2011 5:11:14 AM PDT by DH ( 48th TFW A&E 1967-1970)
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To: muawiyah
I think this is a clear opportunity for getting rid of more AlQaida types than we ever imagined ~ if they will only turn out and display their sympathies.

What exactly would be the point of this sort of action? I am not asking to be smart or anything. What do you think the ultimate outcome will be? How will this actually change anything for Americans or America in a year or in ten years?

If we kill enough of the AlQaida typs, will that stop the internal moral rot in the US? Will that stop the USSA from ending up on the ash heap of history? Will that make your life better?

I am of the opinion that America is doomed, not because of external threats, but because of Americans and the decisions they make and the attitudes and ideologies they hold.

I think America will head off into that good night and Americans will be beating their chests and boasting about their "rights" all the while voting in tyrants who take their rights away.

I think we could kill an AlQaeda leader a day for the next ten years and it won't affect the fate of the USSA.

Is it just some crack to numb the pain or distract from looking at the fact that half the country or more is the "domestic enemy" of the traditional American ideas of freedom, liberty, free enterprise and small, limited goverment?

18 posted on 05/04/2011 5:11:45 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: MichiganConservative

We essentially live in a communist country. Just check the communist manifesto. There never was an invading, conquering army that forced that on us. We chose it.


19 posted on 05/04/2011 5:14:21 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: Smokeyblue; All
Department of Defense and Joint Chiefs FOIA:

OFFICE OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (OFOI)

20 posted on 05/04/2011 5:14:32 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Post it along with the photos of Danny Pearl & all those they beheaded & gleefully displayed for all the world to see. Then get the clusters ready for Mecca & Medina.


21 posted on 05/04/2011 5:14:46 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: MichiganConservative
You're just trying to protect them. The trick with AlQaida is that the more of them we kill the fewer of them there are.

The Democrats, and some Conservatives, had this theory that killing them and turning them into martyrs simply fired up recruiting.

The cold, hard facts are that you eventually run out of true believers when you make a concerted effort at killing them. Even the German Army surrendered at the field unit level ~ having run out of anybody who cared.

It's the same with AlQaida and its affiliates ~ they are vulnerable TO DEATH!

22 posted on 05/04/2011 5:16:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Smokeyblue

Abu Ghrab photos. Gitmo photos. Outing CIA operatives photos.

Quite a difference with a socialist in the White House.


23 posted on 05/04/2011 5:18:19 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Smokeyblue

The time to post it was within 48 hours... too late now.

Maybe BHO is waiting until we are closer to the election to re-vitalize any kind of bump to show how tough he is on Terror, just don’t want people to see it....

I guess there is no problem seeing US Servicemen dragged in the dust “a-la-Somalia” or US Contractors burned and hung from bridges “a=la-Iraq”, but it is too disturbing to show a shot up terrorist to the world.

It should have and still should be posted to show “This is what happens when you challenge America!”


24 posted on 05/04/2011 5:18:32 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller (No such thing as a threat... just targets)
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To: LoveUSA

” from your article the president was...working as an absentee president

That’s the thing that never smelled right about this whole ordeal: issuing a “kill order” is the total antithesis of Obama’s sissified personality.

Somebody please post the picture of Obama and M watching the martial arts demonstration on the White House lawn

... then ask yourselves: can this man kill anything? “

Thanks to our military for doing the right thing.

Saw an article where Panetta claims that Obama didn’t watch
the actual action.

Makes me believe the photo of Hill, Barry, Biden et al was a put together after the fact, and explains the odd seating, and shocked looks.

Bottom line he’s gone, and hats off to the real heros of our SEAL team who put their lives on the line for all of us.


25 posted on 05/04/2011 5:23:16 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Smokeyblue

Leave it to el Zee-rho and his insane clown posse to take a great victory and turn it into a leftist, angst handwringing ceremony....

SHOW ME THE DEAD SOB!


26 posted on 05/04/2011 5:25:11 AM PDT by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: Smokeyblue

If Obama is worried that no good can come from releasing the photo, then wait a week and see the stories people will invent in the face of not releasing a photo.
Obama is completely blowing this whole thing.
Another day and even if he does release it, everyone will proclaim that it was photoshopped.


27 posted on 05/04/2011 5:25:18 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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To: Smokeyblue
I wish some media stooge would ask these Godless creatures;

"What gruesome picture did then President Bill Clinton show, of a dead infamous terrorist, that prompted the planning of a violent response on September 11, 2001. Please have a nice trip as you are slipping on your regurgitation, which you probably mistook the vomit as a logical answer by the way."
28 posted on 05/04/2011 5:27:17 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Doc Savage

SSSUH!! If we don’t release the picture his followers will never know he is missing./S


29 posted on 05/04/2011 5:29:45 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: Smokeyblue
They should go ahead and release all the photos they have. Sooner or later the ‘wikileaks’ guy will get his hands on them and if HE ends up being the first to make them public them The Obama will appear even more foolish and less in control.
30 posted on 05/04/2011 5:31:28 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Smokeyblue

This is keeping the economy and gas out of the headlines but they cannot play this game forever.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 5:32:18 AM PDT by redk
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To: rollo tomasi
By the way trolls/lurkers/DUmmies, 911 was planned around 1996.
32 posted on 05/04/2011 5:32:39 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Smokeyblue
In the age of Wikileaks, and "every man has his price" and multi million dollar book deals, do they honestly think they can keep this thing buttoned up for more than a month or so??

It's gonna leak. Simple as that.

33 posted on 05/04/2011 5:33:13 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (FreeRepublic's frontline citizen reporter in Japan (among others). -- AiT)
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Can’t this guy get anything right?

The photo should’ve been released immediately after the raid. And if there was blowback from Osama’s minions, so be it. They can follow their boss to paradise, too.

Hillary’s got more testicular fortitude than her boss. And I’m sure she’s just waiting in the weeds, licking her chops and calculating her next move...


34 posted on 05/04/2011 5:33:36 AM PDT by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
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To: Smokeyblue

As a guest commentator on Fox&Friends said this morning, the photo(s) WILL get out.

Thus, the Obama Admin should release it/them so that they will be able to control the narrative. Otherwise, some source similar to Wikileaks will eventually obtain and release the photo(s) and create a crisis such as the recently released ambassadorial communications.


35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:34:47 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: muawiyah

Yes, but of course, you are not a chickenshit, like Obama is.


36 posted on 05/04/2011 5:35:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (FreeRepublic's frontline citizen reporter in Japan (among others). -- AiT)
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To: MichiganConservative
We essentially live in a communist country. Just check the communist manifesto. There never was an invading, conquering army that forced that on us. We Yankees chose it.

Corrected.

37 posted on 05/04/2011 5:35:55 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Smokeyblue
This is now a huge problem in the context of Libya. Barry (along with Graham and McCain) want to arm, support, and protect the so-called Libyan rebels.

According to the Christian Science Monitor and other sources, the rebels are being supplemented by foreign al-Qaeda coming from American-unfriendly regions who are becoming fighters against Kadafi.

If Barry releases the photo of the dead UBL, he may be "dissing" the very people he (and Graham and McCain) wants to help, arm, and support in the fight against Kadafi.

Why in the hell isn't this a Constitutional crisis of Biblical proportions?

38 posted on 05/04/2011 5:35:55 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: mwl8787
George Bush would not vascillate like this. Pathetic. Truly pathetic. They are pissing on their own victory, less than 48 hours out.
39 posted on 05/04/2011 5:38:05 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (FreeRepublic's frontline citizen reporter in Japan (among others). -- AiT)
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To: Tigerized

The image of hillary clintoon licking anything is revolting. Please.


40 posted on 05/04/2011 5:38:24 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Smokeyblue
Photobucket
41 posted on 05/04/2011 5:40:19 AM PDT by Crawdad
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To: Smokeyblue

More international advertising that ‘America is under the control of a cluster of half-wits’!!! And, since they were duly elected by Americans, THEY are half-wits.


42 posted on 05/04/2011 5:40:54 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: arrdon

No picture no Osama.


43 posted on 05/04/2011 5:42:29 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Why couldn’t they have decided this BEFORE they stormed the compound? This constant indecision on the part of Obama is hard to take. I would prefer to see them, especially after Paneyya said they will probably come out, and Rush even had a time (near 2pm yesterday). Tese people in DC are maddening.


44 posted on 05/04/2011 5:45:03 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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They wouldn’t release it if it didn’t look so much like OBL as they first thought... Ooops.


45 posted on 05/04/2011 5:45:15 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Smokeyblue
The internal debate at the White House is then informed by this question: why are we releasing this photograph if no one seems to really doubt his death and releasing it could cause more harm than good?

So, they had this exact discussion before releasing the pictures of Abu Ghraib that caused riots over the world, right?

and releasing it could cause more harm than good to Obama political campaign?

46 posted on 05/04/2011 5:47:24 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: mwl8787

There is an article that says the time inside the building was 20-25 minutes, so I don’t know what the 40 minutes was, unless it included time inside the compound walls, but not yet in the house itself.


47 posted on 05/04/2011 5:49:02 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Smokeyblue
Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph

That's because there are no Bin Laden shot in the head death photos. At least not yet. Bin Laden died of kidney failure in Tora Bora way back in December 2001. This is a well known fact within the various Western governments and intelligence agencies. Madeline Albright, Benazir Bhutto, Pervez Musharraf and other high level government officials have for years publicly claimed that Bin Laden was dead and would be rolled out in a political expedient publicity stunt. This Hollywood style raid is just such stunt to give Barry Soetoro, AKA Barrack Hussein Obama, some credibility what with the 'shopped Birth Certificate fiasco and the controlled demolition of the economy. This is also designed to pump up waning support amongst the rubes for more of the liberty stripping, treasury draining, phony 'War on Terra' and an expanded hot war with Pakistan.

There is no leadership from the US government, only publicity stunts and propaganda. They have to trick us because what thinking American would consciously follow these people.

48 posted on 05/04/2011 5:54:16 AM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: PghBaldy

Oh, and they should release the DNA evidence, along with that of the dead half-sister/sister. They are idiots The most wanted mean in the world is killed, and the body is mysteriously dumped in the dark of night, and they offer NO PROOF? Do they not realize the amount of trouble they are making? Who in the Muslim world will believe them? They have created a ghost.


49 posted on 05/04/2011 5:57:41 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: muawiyah
You're just trying to protect them.

No, I'm not. I'm saying what happens to them is irrelevant to the fate of America.

It's the same with AlQaida and its affiliates ~ they are vulnerable TO DEATH!

Go ahead an kill every Jihadi on planet earth. It won't make a different to the fate of the US.

I guess you're a true believer that destroying AlQaeda will somehow slow or stop the decline of America.

If we had sensible immigration and faced the fact that multiculturalism doesn't work and started deportations, then I'd say America had a chance. As it is, no one has the balls for that. America is doomed.

50 posted on 05/04/2011 5:57:47 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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