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Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph
ABC News ^ | 05/04/2011 | Jake Tapper

Posted on 05/04/2011 4:52:07 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

President Obama is increasingly doubtful that there's a compelling reason to release a photograph of Osama bin Laden's corpse, ABC News has learned.

There don't seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden's death in the Muslim world, with bin Laden's wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden's death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.

Meanwhile, sources say, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are advising the president about concerns at the Pentagon and State Department that releasing a photograph could prompt a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

The internal debate at the White House is then informed by this question: why are we releasing this photograph if no one seems to really doubt his death and releasing it could cause more harm than good?


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clinton; gates; obama; osamabinladen
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To: central_va

Call me when the South rises again, ok?


51 posted on 05/04/2011 5:59:15 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Transparency, eh?


52 posted on 05/04/2011 6:00:46 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: MichiganConservative
Sensible migration would have definitely kicked in by 1828 ~ we'd been sinking boatloads of starving immigrants just offshore.

Now, what were you saying?

53 posted on 05/04/2011 6:02:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MichiganConservative
Call me when the South rises again, ok?

Right to work states:

Does this embarrass you at all?

54 posted on 05/04/2011 6:02:47 AM PDT by central_va
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To: muawiyah

Ok, you obviously aren’t at all interested in anything buy your kill fantasies. Disillusionment will probably be rough for you.


55 posted on 05/04/2011 6:06:25 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: central_va

Let me know when the secessions start. That’s about the only thing that can save the American idea.

Dude, MI is full of transplanted southern boys that moved to Detroit and Flint to work in the Auto industry and got unionized.

By the way, the South was right in the US Civil War.


56 posted on 05/04/2011 6:08:08 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: central_va

Good one! ;)


57 posted on 05/04/2011 6:08:52 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Smokeyblue

Seems like post-kill decisions like the releasing of photos and any other information would have been nailed down before the raid. The public disagreeing by Obama’s inner circle does not look good.

We shouldn’t release photos yet. You don’t want to release gory stuff like that until there’s an extremely good reason. Give our enemies and skeptial friends more time to figure out what happened using other evidence.

My conspiracy theory is that when Bin Ladin’s body was thrown off that boat, divers got the body as it went down and we still have it.

I agree with other posters that Obama worries too much about offending the bad guys.


58 posted on 05/04/2011 6:09:24 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: MichiganConservative

The Confederacy was an anti-American conspiracy.


59 posted on 05/04/2011 6:09:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MichiganConservative
Let me know when the secessions start.

Why is then that all the transplants that come down here are such flaming libs? Why do the Yankee good 'ole boys stay put? WHY IS THAT?

60 posted on 05/04/2011 6:10:58 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Smokeyblue

The White House should invite every Ambassador in DC to come to a viewing at a secure facility in small groups. Change the layout of the pictures for each small group. Make every attendee go through security to search for cameras. Pop a small EMF generator in the viewing room to destroy any recording devices that are smuggled in.

Let them take the heat in their own country.


61 posted on 05/04/2011 6:11:33 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: central_va

Dude, I just said half the country was a bunch of domestic enemies. Liberals like to leave the hell holes them make and move to a nicer place and make it like the hell hole they left.

I wish they’d move to Canada and take the population of Detroit and Flint with them.


62 posted on 05/04/2011 6:12:59 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (We would all be better off if the federal government just decided to end itself.)
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To: muawiyah

Gates can rot in hell with OBL. He was a key figure in the repeal of DADT. His advice not to release photos of dead OBL goes right along with his lack of character and is sadly no surprise.


63 posted on 05/04/2011 6:14:40 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: matginzac
Good one! ;)

Glad you liked it. I am a little guilty of thread hijacking here....

64 posted on 05/04/2011 6:17:25 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Smokeyblue

I say release the photograph. Why are we afraid? I am tired of being afraid.

They may relatliate whether we release it or not for cryin out loud.

I think it has already been leaked anyway. Go to Face book and search marines of fallujah, they have a picture posted there. The way they describe the wounds, it appears to be authintic.


65 posted on 05/04/2011 6:17:51 AM PDT by waxer1 ("The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: ohioman

Gates is a POS.


66 posted on 05/04/2011 6:18:20 AM PDT by central_va
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To: muawiyah
The Confederacy was an anti-American conspiracy.

Lincoln's war was an anti-republic travesty.

67 posted on 05/04/2011 6:19:51 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va
Sorry to hear you think so. I happen to think Abe Lincoln was a great hero. His sister and birth mother are buried on a piece of land that was part of one of our family's farms.

So, GFYS OK?!!!?

68 posted on 05/04/2011 6:22:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Smokeyblue

Not releasing it will offend millions of Americans. Which is more important offending muslims or offending Americans?


69 posted on 05/04/2011 6:25:09 AM PDT by 38special (troubling, isn't it?)
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To: Smokeyblue

Let’s hear what Dhimmi-in-Chief Petraeus says. He is the expert in how to surrender to the rage of Islamofascist thugs.


70 posted on 05/04/2011 6:25:24 AM PDT by montag813
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To: muawiyah
His sister and birth mother are buried on a piece of land that was part of one of our family's farms.

Well isn't that special. That definitely lowers the value of that property.

71 posted on 05/04/2011 6:26:16 AM PDT by central_va
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To: ohioman
"Gates can rot in hell with OBL. He was a key figure in the repeal of DADT. His advice not to release photos of dead OBL goes right along with his lack of character and is sadly no surprise."

I have no recollection of Gates vigorously opposing the Obama Administration's reversal of the policy regarding photos of returning caskets. They couldn't get those photos out soon enough...

72 posted on 05/04/2011 6:27:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Smokeyblue

So he learned nothing from the birth certificate issue? Got it.


73 posted on 05/04/2011 6:28:47 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: central_va
You might well think that but you'd be wrong.

Frankly one of the problems arising out of the Civil War was the Union stopped firing once they got a surrender.

74 posted on 05/04/2011 6:33:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Smokeyblue

Gee, let’s not offend the anti-American Muslims around the world who already hate us for merely existing. We don’t want to hurt their feelings. Yeah, I’m sure the nutjobs demonstrating and burning American flags in the wake of his death are going to inflamed further by the showing of his death photo. Give me a break.


75 posted on 05/04/2011 6:37:55 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Smokeyblue

76 posted on 05/04/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Smokeyblue

These people are amazing. Killing the man is not inflammatory but releasing the photo is?


77 posted on 05/04/2011 6:49:06 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: driftless2
I think it has nothing to do with offending Americans with its gruesome image-after all, as had been written, we watched people forced to jump to their deaths on 9-11. It does not get sicker than that.

I think osama and his crew are calculating something very different.

I do believe they are afraid of muslims and want to keep from offending them by having big daddy osama, the jihad master, on display, to some degree.

But more importantly.

I think they might want to let the conspiracy regarding osama's death broil up in this nation (not unlike uhbama's lack of a paper history) until all conservatives can be labeled fully, and THEN release the picture (perhaps a a leak) right befor the election to enhance that freaks chances of partying four more years on our dime.

78 posted on 05/04/2011 6:49:43 AM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: PghBaldy

There was some WH dude on Fox News yesterday saying it WAS decided ahead of time, by some committee of some sort. I wish I had taken notes, or had a better memory. Sorry.


79 posted on 05/04/2011 6:58:41 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Republic
The pictures HAVE to come out. Simple. If they don't, the story will NOT die down..it will get bigger every day.

The WH messed this up. What they should have done was release the pics the same time as Obama spoke Sunday night. It would have all died down by now. Now, it has a life all its own.

BTW..it's no big deal..you can turn on CSI, or any of a dozen similar forensic themed shows, and see far worse, more gruesome stuff every day.

Anyways, if the WH doesn't release them..they'll all be on WikiLeaks in a few days..

80 posted on 05/04/2011 7:00:29 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Smokeyblue
I have no interest in photos.

One day they'll be released but that day needn't be today, this week or this decade.

81 posted on 05/04/2011 7:20:14 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: Smokeyblue
I have no interest in photos.

One day they'll be released but that day needn't be today, this week or this decade.

82 posted on 05/04/2011 7:20:14 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: ken5050

This issue of the picture being released...
shows (their,obama,whomever) ineptitude at problem solving skills.
1. In-ept: lacking in fitness or aptitude: UNFIT
2. not suitable to the time, place, or occasion: inappropriate often to an absurd degree
3. lacking sense or reason: FOOLISH
4. generally incompetent: BUNGLING


83 posted on 05/04/2011 7:23:22 AM PDT by savage woman
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To: savage woman

All of them are control freaks. They love the fact that they got the photos and they are in control, treating us like we are children. They LOVE IT.


84 posted on 05/04/2011 7:26:15 AM PDT by central_va
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To: PghBaldy

“They are idiots The most wanted mean in the world is killed, and the body is mysteriously dumped in the dark of night, and they offer NO PROOF? Do they not realize the amount of trouble they are making? Who in the Muslim world will believe them? They have created a ghost.”

Exactly. Stupidity beyond end. Release it already.
And President Obama is responsible, and feeble for letting it get out that underlings have different opinion ... who CARES?


85 posted on 05/04/2011 10:02:39 AM PDT by WOSG (doubting OBL's death is not 'healthy skepticism' it's nutty.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“I have no recollection of Gates vigorously opposing the Obama Administration’s reversal of the policy regarding photos of returning caskets. They couldn’t get those photos out soon enough... “

Excellent point.


86 posted on 05/04/2011 10:05:37 AM PDT by WOSG (doubting OBL's death is not 'healthy skepticism' it's nutty.)
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To: savage woman

Love your screen name. Are you really just “that”, or a fan of Michael’s? (g)


87 posted on 05/04/2011 10:29:14 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

LOL - both...


88 posted on 05/04/2011 1:51:09 PM PDT by savage woman
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To: ken5050
Keeps uhbama in kissy good relations with most muslims, I expect.

Blame a release on somebody else.

Heard he was not going to release any from WH.

89 posted on 05/04/2011 2:08:30 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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