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Top Green Admits: “We Are Lost!”
The American Interest ^ | 5/3/2011 | Walter Russell Meade

Posted on 05/04/2011 6:56:48 AM PDT by Lakeshark

George Monbiot of the left-leaning British newspaper The Guardian has a must-read column in which he admits that because of a whole series of intellectual mistakes, the global green movement’s policy prescriptions are hopelessly flawed.

Read the whole piece for a thoughtful and brutally clear expose of the intellectual bankruptcy of the green movement from one of the smartest people in it. This is what I’ve been getting at for more than a year here: regardless of what is happening to Planet Earth, the green movement does not have coherent and workable solutions.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.the-american-interest.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; green; unsustainable
Quietly, the "green revolution" continues to destroy us. Thankfully, some voices are showing how nonsensical the greens are. Good article here.
1 posted on 05/04/2011 6:56:53 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
regardless of what is happening to Planet Earth, the green movement does not have coherent and workable solutions.

The Green Movement is suicidal. It was never interested in coherent or workable solutions.

2 posted on 05/04/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by Moonman62 (If gullible, uneducated and uncivilized people didn't exist, politicians would create them.)
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To: Lakeshark

“I hope that by laying out the problem I can encourage us to address it more logically, to abandon magical thinking and to recognise the contradictions we confront. But even that could be a tall order.”

Tall order? What an optimist!


3 posted on 05/04/2011 7:03:39 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Lakeshark
We're halfway through the spring, and most of the country is still cool as heck.

Most of the country is now fully aware that the enviro-hysteria was nothing but a bunch of bunk, and that many of the people pushing it are liars.

4 posted on 05/04/2011 7:05:45 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Moonman62

“The Green Movement is suicidal. It was never interested in coherent or workable solutions.”

You touch the heart of the matter. All leftist movements are to some extent deformed with guilt and self loathing. “Greens” have carried it to its almost final extreme, embracing a hatred for our very species.


5 posted on 05/04/2011 7:06:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Lakeshark

Green movement is about socialism and state control, it has been wildly successful.


6 posted on 05/04/2011 7:08:27 AM PDT by central_va
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To: Lakeshark

There’s a misspelling. The headline says ‘lost’; the correct spelling is ‘fools’.


7 posted on 05/04/2011 7:09:41 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Lakeshark

George MoonBat.......how apropos................


8 posted on 05/04/2011 7:10:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: Lakeshark
Not all that glitters is green.
9 posted on 05/04/2011 7:11:48 AM PDT by Mark was here (It's either Obama or America. There cannot be both.)
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To: Lakeshark

Clicking through twice, Monbiot suggests going to ~50% of current energy use. To put that in perspective, that would put the U.S. back to roughly mid-1960s levels of electrical energy consumption on a per-capita basis. Energy is a fundamental driver of economic activity. Are we really going to accept the poverty that such a move would create at the hands of our Green extremists? Screw that!


10 posted on 05/04/2011 7:19:53 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lakeshark

just wait till we get a solid majority in this country and GE executives start going to jail...


11 posted on 05/04/2011 7:28:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“just wait till we get a solid majority in this country and GE executives start going to jail...”

A nice dream, but it’s just about as likely as the Buckeye football team surviving this coming season.


12 posted on 05/04/2011 7:30:46 AM PDT by brownsfan (I miss the America I grew up in.)
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To: Lakeshark

>>> Top Green Admits: “We Are Lost!”
George Monbiot .... admits that because of a whole series of intellectual mistakes, the global green movement’s policy prescriptions are hopelessly flawed. <<<

No worries, George Moonbat-idiot, your global green movement only suffered a temporary setback.

The current young generation and the next generation have all been thoroughly indoctrinated.


13 posted on 05/04/2011 7:35:37 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: FreedomPoster
We have the normal bunch of greenies in our area. Every once in a while I love asking them why they have big houses, central heat, and two or more cars (usually one of them is an SUV).

They do all the right things in little, inconsequential ways, put out green signs and flags, they vote for democrats, but they never change their lifestyle in ways that show they really believe what they are saying.

It's all show to make themselves feel better.

14 posted on 05/04/2011 7:37:51 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

The original article is a fairly objective about the trade-offs and fact that there is no free lunch:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/02/environmental-fixes-all-greens-lost

Most people fail to understand the basic science involved, and keep hoping for some magic to happen that will remove the fundamental trade-offs and make everything sunshine and roses. Must like the article I posted yesterday about the NJ suburb that is adding solar panels to it’s utility poles, the fist thing you hear is bitching about them being “eyesores”.

We have yet to figure out how to cost-effectively come anywhere near the energy density of a gallon of gasoline.


15 posted on 05/04/2011 7:50:03 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lakeshark

In a rational world where politicians were objective and didn’t throw their support behind retarded movements, this would be good news. But alas, as long as a politician supports it, he has the power to keep it going regardless of whether it works or not.


16 posted on 05/04/2011 7:53:07 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Lakeshark

In a rational world where politicians were objective and didn’t throw their support behind retarded movements, this would be good news. But alas, as long as a politician supports it, he has the power to keep it going regardless of whether it works or not.


17 posted on 05/04/2011 7:53:16 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: FreedomPoster

A few weeks ago an article was posted about the English energy minister (or some other title) commenting about the future. He said the British were just going to have to get used to doing without electricity when demand was high, due to increased dependence on “green” energy. They will divert power to those that need it most. Anyone have their “smart” meters yet? They just put mine in. They will be able to shut off individual homes or businesses if they want.


18 posted on 05/04/2011 8:07:47 AM PDT by TStro
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


19 posted on 05/04/2011 8:09:17 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Lakeshark

BFl


20 posted on 05/04/2011 8:17:31 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Lakeshark
Sorry this is too small to be self-explanatory, but a complete picture of our energy production and use can be found in the DOE AER report at: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/consump.html (for all the tax $ it sucks up, at least DOE produces some useful reports).

However, this shows the basic facts in one picture. Most "greenies" want to nibble around the edges with insignificant programs that do far more harm than good.

To the Green Freeaks: This is our economy. Last year we consumed 95 quads and produced 73 quads - the gap was filled by imports. So, given that we're already behind the game, tell us what you want to do without, and make it big enough to move the needle. Then go out and convince hundreds of millions of people that their standard of living needs to go down to make it happen.

The author is right- we're not going to give up our energy. And I'm not holding my breath for any magic either.

21 posted on 05/04/2011 8:22:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lakeshark

This conservative recognizes that man can have some effect. We need to do a better job of conserving resources. I am concerned about the future potential of damage to the ocean that will threaten the food supply. All that having been said, there is a balance between taking care of this planet and killing business, which will ultimately destroy everything.


22 posted on 05/04/2011 8:42:15 AM PDT by doug from upland (website reserved just in case: TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Lakeshark

Meanwhile, the electric company in western Massachusetts is building laughable recharging stations for the millions of electric cars they claim to expect. LOL!


23 posted on 05/04/2011 9:03:19 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Moonman62
The Green Movement is suicidal genocidal. It was never interested in coherent or workable solutions.

Fixed. Humans are a virus making Gaia sick, and must be cleansed from the planet...and like most other leftist endeavors, it's everybody other than themselves that has to be made to pay the price.
24 posted on 05/04/2011 9:10:41 AM PDT by rottndog (Be prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Army Air Corps; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx for the ping AAC !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

25 posted on 05/04/2011 9:14:20 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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26 posted on 05/04/2011 9:24:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Almost as evil as the Freeper Criminal Mastermind)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Lakeshark.


27 posted on 05/04/2011 9:42:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Lakeshark
"...because of a whole series of intellectual mistakes..."

Ya think? How about "Man made greenhouse gas emissions will have catastrophic consequences, and we must destroy the economies of the developed world to save ourselves"?

That counts as a pretty big "intellectual mistake" right there.

28 posted on 05/04/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: central_va

Yep. See “Red Hot Lies” by Christopher Horner. Spot on!


29 posted on 05/04/2011 9:49:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: doug from upland
We can always do better, but the green movement thinks we need a big government regulation to force that on us, meaning a socialist type dictatorship that forces us to go back to the middle ages. They are nothing but Luddites reborn in the guise of environmentalists.

I think the more conservative approach appreciates our freedom to do better, our freedom to innovate, our freedom to enjoy the bounty the earth provides us and make our lives better. You can support a clean environment without being crazy as the warmist alarmists are, and you can be for conservation without hampering the genius of the free market and human ingenuity.

30 posted on 05/04/2011 10:04:43 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: RWB Patriot

In a rational world, people aspiring to be politicians supporting “green” with other people’s money would either be laughed at into oblivion, or tried, convicted and executed for armed robbery under color of law.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 11:52:21 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: Lakeshark; SierraWasp; AuntB; AAABEST

Greenie = F’n moron!


32 posted on 05/04/2011 12:08:57 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Palin/West 2012 She fights like a girl, he fights like a man!!!)
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To: Lakeshark

You know what, this is all a fake-out.
The Greenies don’t care about planet earth.
They care only about furthering leftism, socialism, etcetera.
They will become vocal again if and when we have a Republican administration, or conservatism surges again in the world.
Then they blame AMERICA for destroying the environment of the whole, entire world!!
Right now, things are going their way, but they are like a sleeping snake.
They are a political movement, not an earth-saving, environmental movement.
Don’t be fooled.


33 posted on 05/04/2011 12:46:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Not only that, the invevitability of the environmental catastrophe that would follow their (and Obama’s) policies is apparent with but a moment’s reflection. They want to crush the economy, its output and the FIRST WORLD population. If these things happens, be sure that millions of hungry people won’t care a flash for the environment. They may die (which the lefties evidently want), but they’ll first destroy everything trying to squeeze a little food out of the proverbial turnip. I don’t much care for Michael Savage, but he’s right, “liberalism is a mental disorder” is a maxim and so appropos.


34 posted on 05/04/2011 2:15:15 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: Lakeshark

These Green fools don’t understand that the problem is not consumption, it’s capacity.

If you legislate consumption ‘over here’, it will thrive ‘over there’. Over there will probably be India or China.

Why not hit capacity head on and meet the challenge? Otherwise, will we allow these idiots to drive us to ruin? Really?


35 posted on 05/04/2011 8:28:58 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: rottndog
"Humans are a virus making Gaia sick, and must be cleansed from the planet..."

If you read the same article on The Guardian's site, it seems like the majority of comments from readers bray about the need for population control.

36 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:08 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Lakeshark
Monbiot’s sober assessment of the consequences is dead on; when the greens digest his analysis and go a bit further to ask how they got into this mess, they will be ready to join something that the world truly and urgently needs: a serious and grownup conversation about how to conserve the beauty and viability of our glorious home as the human race continues to develop the extraordinary intelligence Mother Nature has seen fit to give us.

Good article. But the author's conclusion is wishful thinking.

The Green Movement has never been about "conserving the beauty and viability of our glorious home". Instead, it has been about destroying capitalism -- not saving the planet. And gaining raw power -- not seeking utopia.

If the Green Movement is at a dead end, they will re-direct their communism and it will re-surface in another movement.

37 posted on 05/04/2011 9:07:12 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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38 posted on 05/05/2011 9:40:40 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I love the Governors of AZ, WI, NJ, LA, OH, SC, MS and ME!!!)
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