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Top Green Admits: “We Are Lost!”
The American Interest ^ | 5/3/2011 | Walter Russell Meade

Posted on 05/04/2011 6:56:48 AM PDT by Lakeshark

George Monbiot of the left-leaning British newspaper The Guardian has a must-read column in which he admits that because of a whole series of intellectual mistakes, the global green movement’s policy prescriptions are hopelessly flawed.

Read the whole piece for a thoughtful and brutally clear expose of the intellectual bankruptcy of the green movement from one of the smartest people in it. This is what I’ve been getting at for more than a year here: regardless of what is happening to Planet Earth, the green movement does not have coherent and workable solutions.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; green; unsustainable
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To: Lakeshark
Sorry this is too small to be self-explanatory, but a complete picture of our energy production and use can be found in the DOE AER report at: (for all the tax $ it sucks up, at least DOE produces some useful reports).

However, this shows the basic facts in one picture. Most "greenies" want to nibble around the edges with insignificant programs that do far more harm than good.

To the Green Freeaks: This is our economy. Last year we consumed 95 quads and produced 73 quads - the gap was filled by imports. So, given that we're already behind the game, tell us what you want to do without, and make it big enough to move the needle. Then go out and convince hundreds of millions of people that their standard of living needs to go down to make it happen.

The author is right- we're not going to give up our energy. And I'm not holding my breath for any magic either.

21 posted on 05/04/2011 8:22:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lakeshark

This conservative recognizes that man can have some effect. We need to do a better job of conserving resources. I am concerned about the future potential of damage to the ocean that will threaten the food supply. All that having been said, there is a balance between taking care of this planet and killing business, which will ultimately destroy everything.

22 posted on 05/04/2011 8:42:15 AM PDT by doug from upland (website reserved just in case:
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To: Lakeshark

Meanwhile, the electric company in western Massachusetts is building laughable recharging stations for the millions of electric cars they claim to expect. LOL!

23 posted on 05/04/2011 9:03:19 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Moonman62
The Green Movement is suicidal genocidal. It was never interested in coherent or workable solutions.

Fixed. Humans are a virus making Gaia sick, and must be cleansed from the planet...and like most other leftist endeavors, it's everybody other than themselves that has to be made to pay the price.
24 posted on 05/04/2011 9:10:41 AM PDT by rottndog (Be prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Army Air Corps; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx for the ping AAC !


Beam me to Planet Gore !

25 posted on 05/04/2011 9:14:20 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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26 posted on 05/04/2011 9:24:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Almost as evil as the Freeper Criminal Mastermind)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Lakeshark.

27 posted on 05/04/2011 9:42:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link --
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To: Lakeshark
"...because of a whole series of intellectual mistakes..."

Ya think? How about "Man made greenhouse gas emissions will have catastrophic consequences, and we must destroy the economies of the developed world to save ourselves"?

That counts as a pretty big "intellectual mistake" right there.

28 posted on 05/04/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: central_va

Yep. See “Red Hot Lies” by Christopher Horner. Spot on!

29 posted on 05/04/2011 9:49:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: doug from upland
We can always do better, but the green movement thinks we need a big government regulation to force that on us, meaning a socialist type dictatorship that forces us to go back to the middle ages. They are nothing but Luddites reborn in the guise of environmentalists.

I think the more conservative approach appreciates our freedom to do better, our freedom to innovate, our freedom to enjoy the bounty the earth provides us and make our lives better. You can support a clean environment without being crazy as the warmist alarmists are, and you can be for conservation without hampering the genius of the free market and human ingenuity.

30 posted on 05/04/2011 10:04:43 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: RWB Patriot

In a rational world, people aspiring to be politicians supporting “green” with other people’s money would either be laughed at into oblivion, or tried, convicted and executed for armed robbery under color of law.

31 posted on 05/04/2011 11:52:21 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2011-2012.)
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To: Lakeshark; SierraWasp; AuntB; AAABEST

Greenie = F’n moron!

32 posted on 05/04/2011 12:08:57 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Palin/West 2012 She fights like a girl, he fights like a man!!!)
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To: Lakeshark

You know what, this is all a fake-out.
The Greenies don’t care about planet earth.
They care only about furthering leftism, socialism, etcetera.
They will become vocal again if and when we have a Republican administration, or conservatism surges again in the world.
Then they blame AMERICA for destroying the environment of the whole, entire world!!
Right now, things are going their way, but they are like a sleeping snake.
They are a political movement, not an earth-saving, environmental movement.
Don’t be fooled.

33 posted on 05/04/2011 12:46:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Not only that, the invevitability of the environmental catastrophe that would follow their (and Obama’s) policies is apparent with but a moment’s reflection. They want to crush the economy, its output and the FIRST WORLD population. If these things happens, be sure that millions of hungry people won’t care a flash for the environment. They may die (which the lefties evidently want), but they’ll first destroy everything trying to squeeze a little food out of the proverbial turnip. I don’t much care for Michael Savage, but he’s right, “liberalism is a mental disorder” is a maxim and so appropos.

34 posted on 05/04/2011 2:15:15 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: Lakeshark

These Green fools don’t understand that the problem is not consumption, it’s capacity.

If you legislate consumption ‘over here’, it will thrive ‘over there’. Over there will probably be India or China.

Why not hit capacity head on and meet the challenge? Otherwise, will we allow these idiots to drive us to ruin? Really?

35 posted on 05/04/2011 8:28:58 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: rottndog
"Humans are a virus making Gaia sick, and must be cleansed from the planet..."

If you read the same article on The Guardian's site, it seems like the majority of comments from readers bray about the need for population control.

36 posted on 05/04/2011 8:45:08 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Lakeshark
Monbiot’s sober assessment of the consequences is dead on; when the greens digest his analysis and go a bit further to ask how they got into this mess, they will be ready to join something that the world truly and urgently needs: a serious and grownup conversation about how to conserve the beauty and viability of our glorious home as the human race continues to develop the extraordinary intelligence Mother Nature has seen fit to give us.

Good article. But the author's conclusion is wishful thinking.

The Green Movement has never been about "conserving the beauty and viability of our glorious home". Instead, it has been about destroying capitalism -- not saving the planet. And gaining raw power -- not seeking utopia.

If the Green Movement is at a dead end, they will re-direct their communism and it will re-surface in another movement.

37 posted on 05/04/2011 9:07:12 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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38 posted on 05/05/2011 9:40:40 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I love the Governors of AZ, WI, NJ, LA, OH, SC, MS and ME!!!)
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