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**Officials: SEALs thought bin Laden threatening** ( So Osama WAS Armed??)
Associated Press ^ | 5/5/2011 | KIMBERLY DOZIER and ERICA WERNER

Posted on 05/05/2011 4:33:36 AM PDT by Cyropaedia

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama ordered grisly photographs of Osama bin Laden in death sealed from public view on Wednesday, declaring, "We don't need to spike the football" in triumph after this week's daring middle-of-the-night raid. The terrorist leader was killed by American commandos who burst into his room and feared he was reaching for a nearby weapon, U.S. officials said.

Several weapons were found in the room where the terror chief died, including AK-47 assault rifles and side arms, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity as they offered the most recent in a series of increasingly detailed and sometimes-shifting accounts of bin Laden's final minutes after a decade on the run.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armed; obama; osama; pakistan; seals; unarmed
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Here we %&*&%!@ go AGAIN!

The Military is obviously trying to protect the brave men who carried out this historic mission by attempting to refute to the ridiculous proclamation by the WH, that YES, the SEALs gunned down an unmarmed man.

The WH was TOTALLY irresponsible to make this big claim in front of the entire world vis-a-vi their incompetent Press Secretary, Jay Carney.

1 posted on 05/05/2011 4:33:42 AM PDT by Cyropaedia
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Why did the WH insist on declaring Osama to be, in fact, unarmed...? Do they not realize that this would only serve to inflame the anger of all would-be jihadists around the world...?

Kudos to the Military officials who are trying rectify a deplorable situation.

2 posted on 05/05/2011 4:37:30 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

The same whitehouse crowd would throw these SEALs under the bus in a heartbeat to get a 1 point bounce in the polls.


3 posted on 05/05/2011 4:39:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Navy SEALs: they'll shoot your eyes out.)
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To: Cyropaedia

First, who cares if he was armed or not? A missile strike would not have cared either way.

But but..we were told the “bold and decisive” decision to go in on the ground was so there would be proof. And now they don’t want there to be any including a body much less a picture.

Something smells all over.


4 posted on 05/05/2011 4:40:47 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Cyropaedia

Doesn’t matter if he was armed.
In war, the object is to, KILL THE ENEMY.
Mission Accomplished............


5 posted on 05/05/2011 4:41:28 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Cyropaedia

Even BO’s lapdogs at the AP are getting embarrassed by the conflicting and constantly shifting stories of the assault, but they cover it up by stating, that their anonymous sources “offered the most recent in a series of increasingly detailed and sometimes-shifting accounts of bin Laden’s final minutes...”.

Can you imagine the msm howling had Pres. Bush ever botched a situation as badly as this?


6 posted on 05/05/2011 4:50:16 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Travis McGee
I could never figure out why they insisted on telling everyone that OBL was unarmed.

They story keeps changing, something does not add up.

I am beginning to think that all those reports about Valerie Jarrett are true.

7 posted on 05/05/2011 4:51:16 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

It doesn’t matter if he was armed or not to me.

This was taking out the garbage.


8 posted on 05/05/2011 4:52:34 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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To: Cyropaedia

I agree. The SEALs should keep with the story line they felt they were threatened and in danger as a defense regardless of the pap being issued by the White House. Obama will be the first one to throw them under the bus if world opinion starts characterizing their actions as murderous.


9 posted on 05/05/2011 4:53:39 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Cyropaedia

I think some Americans are trying to equate what happened to OBL as an arrest attempt gone awry. It’s not supposed to be just or fair. It was not murder, he was a legitimate MILITARY target and treated as such, correctly.

The SEALs are not police officers; they kill people and blow things up efficiently and egress quickly.


10 posted on 05/05/2011 4:53:50 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Cyropaedia

I think some Americans are trying to equate what happened to OBL as an arrest attempt gone awry. It’s not supposed to be just or fair. It was not murder, he was a legitimate MILITARY target and treated as such, correctly.

The SEALs are not police officers; they kill people and blow things up efficiently and egress quickly.


11 posted on 05/05/2011 4:53:50 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: kittymyrib
I think it's becoming obvious that he had to be pushed into doing this. He's not happy about it.

His remark about not wanting to "spike" the football?

Get real.

12 posted on 05/05/2011 4:54:56 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

Rush was right. The double tap to Bin Laden’s head was the best thing that ever happened to this country. Bringing that scum back to this country for a trial would have been a three ring circus that would have gone on for years, cost billions of dollars and in the end he would have walked free.


13 posted on 05/05/2011 4:56:40 AM PDT by The Louiswu (My new drink...The Osama...Two shots and a splash of tomato juice....mmmmmgoood)
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To: Cyropaedia

Bump.


14 posted on 05/05/2011 4:57:06 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: Cyropaedia

Osama probably didn’t have a fire arm because he would have had to register it under his name with the Pakistani government. Someone could have looked up his name and found the address where he was living.


15 posted on 05/05/2011 4:57:34 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (r e p e n t)
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To: Cyropaedia
I'm really OURTRAGED that Obama won't release the photos and DNA evidence!

Supposedly, the whole purpose of using the SEALS was to not only kill bin Laden but to be able to prove to the world that he's dead. Now Obama won't show the proof.

It pisses me off that Obama would risk the lives of Navy SEALS and 4 helicopter crews, probably about 50 men, and then NOT show the photos. If he was not going to show the photos he could’ve killed the SOB bin Laden with a couple of 2000 pound bombs and not risk those lives.

16 posted on 05/05/2011 5:00:39 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Eye of Unk
It wouldn't matter to me if he had a “ Do Not Disturb I'm Unarmed” sign on his door. Kill him first and ask questions later.

However, it is humorously ironic that Obama’s thousand rules of warfare politeness and political correctness comes back to bite him in the ass

17 posted on 05/05/2011 5:01:55 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Cyropaedia

Sounds like they’re getting too much flack from from Left about this being an “assassination”. Apparently we can kill the enemy if absolutely necessary but not assassinate them.


18 posted on 05/05/2011 5:02:15 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cyropaedia

..probably armed with a gun Holder sent through Mexico.
Just saying....


19 posted on 05/05/2011 5:08:07 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: doodad

BINGO

BINGO

BINGO


20 posted on 05/05/2011 5:13:33 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: libertylover
I bet the military brass is absolutely pissed that the WH allowed Jay Carney to go in front of the press and confirm that the SEALs took out someone who was NOT armed.

After they put themselves in danger like that, the military must be seething that the administration actually tried to yank the rug from under them like that.

This must mean that the rumors are true, and that there really are two warring factions going against each other inside the WH.

21 posted on 05/05/2011 5:21:08 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
The WH was TOTALLY irresponsible to make this big claim in front of the entire world vis-a-vi their incompetent Press Secretary, Jay Carney.

There must be some reason behind this armed/unarmed story. If these were intelligent people, maybe we'd be witnesses of a counter-terror misinformation operation. Or maybe they're stupid like Trump says.

22 posted on 05/05/2011 5:23:11 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: Cyropaedia

“I am beginning to think that all those reports about Valerie Jarrett are true.”

I am heavily leaning in the same direction. It certainly all fits with Obama’s psychological profile, his past history as a *decision* maker....and a good bit of circumstantial evidence.


23 posted on 05/05/2011 5:24:03 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: doodad
I think that Zer0 really didn't want to go ahead with this particular mission, but was pushed ( so to speak ) into doing it.

He decision against releasing the photographs is his personal way of "getting back" at those that took him in this direction.

Just like Valerie Jarrett said there was "no way" that Zer0's college transcripts were getting released, she is probably demanding that there be no release of the OBL photos.

24 posted on 05/05/2011 5:27:07 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: All

The third guy on the recently published Reuters’ photos of the inside of the campound (photos leaked by a Pakistani official) is definitely the dead body of Khaled Bin Laden, Osama’s son, that being the first visual and undeniable proof that the Bin Laden family was at that campound that night.

SEE THIS OTHER POST for more details :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2715062/posts?page=58#58


25 posted on 05/05/2011 5:28:12 AM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: Cyropaedia

If he so much as moved his head, he was resisting and was a threat. End of story.
Thank you to our brave and talented men who made this happen. God bless them.

And God bless every other American who has served in the war on terror. Their efforts helped to lead up to this day.


26 posted on 05/05/2011 5:30:02 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: Cyropaedia

Who cares if he was armed? On 9/11, OBL didn’t care if anyone on the planes or in the twin towers were armed. F$ck him and F$ck the mooslims and idiot liberals that have selective outrage.


27 posted on 05/05/2011 5:31:07 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Cyropaedia

A murdered martyr stirs up more jihadi rage than OBL dying of illness in bed.


28 posted on 05/05/2011 5:38:49 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe ( "Failure to speak out against evil is evil itself" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: newzjunkey
Or maybe they're stupid like Trump says.
I vote for stupid.
29 posted on 05/05/2011 5:39:55 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Cyropaedia; xzins

I am becoming more and more convinced that when the SEAL team entered the last room they found OBL dead; killed by his guards who had then killed themselves. The SEAL team would not have killed OBL if he were not a threat, and the silly stories the WH has been telling the last two days are too contradictory for any of them to be true. So the official story, to make BHO look like a hero, had to be that BHO had ordered the team to kill OBL, but the mission had been to capture him if at all possible. The reason why it took so long to make the announcement and for BHO to give his self congratulatory speech was because they needed to try to get their stories straight. Apparently they failed in that mission.

I have never in my life seen such childish incompetence from a President.

The truth will out. The problem is that when it finally does, nobody will be able to recognize it.


30 posted on 05/05/2011 5:42:54 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Cyropaedia

The best story, IMO, would have been that Osama was unarmed, and one of the woman was trying to protect him, and Osama was hit with crossfire ;) It would be nice if there could be a sympathetic way to say he was a wuss at the end, yet we didn’t intentionally shoot an unarmed man. Would help on so many levels. The key, if no proof is forthcoming, to come up with a narrative that fulfills the needs of the USA and denies the desires of Al Qaeda. The way the world is, it is tragic that we have to worry about whether or not he was armed etc, but it does make a difference to many.


31 posted on 05/05/2011 5:44:05 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Cyropaedia

The SEALS knew that he needed it and deserved it. I agree with them.


32 posted on 05/05/2011 5:44:59 AM PDT by crz
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To: Cyropaedia

Their story looks like it’s ‘evolving’ into a place where they can setup our hero SEALs to be fall guys in all of this.

Those political idiots should have let the Pentagon handle ALL of the aftermath of this, rather than keeping it in the White House. It has been a mess.


33 posted on 05/05/2011 5:45:26 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Cyropaedia

In 2011, these seems to me to be a pointless semantics argument based on outdated notions.

Here, we were dealing with a ruthless terrorist in a world where you can detonate an explosive device with a cell phone.

Tell me what constitutes “armed” these days.

Bin Laden would have to be considered a threat at all times purely based on the nature of who he was.


34 posted on 05/05/2011 5:46:03 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Doesn’t matter if he was armed.

General George S. Patton, world war two. “You had better kill the sonsofbitches, cause if you don’t, they will sure as hell kill you”. War is hell, as a vet. who has been there!


35 posted on 05/05/2011 5:48:23 AM PDT by buck61 ( making)
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To: Cyropaedia; xzins
The terrorist leader was killed by American commandos who burst into his room and feared he was reaching for a nearby weapon, U.S. officials said.

That makes no sense at all. If OBL had any weapon near him when the team entered the room, it would have been in his hands already. These anonymous people must think the American people are really stupid. But then they voted this clown into office, so maybe they are.

OBL was already dead before the team entered the room. That is becoming the only scenario that makes sense.

36 posted on 05/05/2011 5:50:14 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: oh8eleven
Looks like none of the Perps made it out of their bedrooms. One hell of a firefight? From the Paki photos not one shell cartridge laying around, they claim they didn't find any. The bad guys had the high ground to shoot down on our guys, yet supposedly no injuries.

I'm going with that the Perps were crapping their Pants and cowering in their bedrooms and made no attempt to fight back. They were killed anyway because they needed killing, which is the way it is in war.

Obozo can't comes to term with this, and that is why we are seeing the story change daily on what went down.

37 posted on 05/05/2011 6:00:29 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: P-Marlowe

Personally, I believe the same.

He was killed by his bodyguards per his standing orders.


38 posted on 05/05/2011 6:01:01 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Cyropaedia
This must mean that the rumors are true, and that there really are two warring factions going against each other inside the WH.

Well, I heard there were people who actually advised Obama to do nothing, and I'm a little surprised he didn't take that advice.

39 posted on 05/05/2011 6:03:37 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: DAC21
Obozo can't comes to term with this, and that is why we are seeing the story change daily on what went down.
If Zero isn't a muzzie, he's a muzzie sympathizer, putting their "needs" ahead of America.
Despicable.
40 posted on 05/05/2011 6:08:26 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DAC21
I'm going with that the Perps were crapping their Pants and cowering in their bedrooms and made no attempt to fight back. They were killed anyway because they needed killing, which is the way it is in war.

I do not believe for a second that an elite SEAL team would do that. Unlike our president and his cronies, the SEALs are a professional unit, probably the most well trained elite force ever assembled. In light of the fact that this Administration is currently prosecuting a SEAL member for giving a terrorist a bloody nose during interrogation, I don't think for a second that they would have deliberately killed an unarmed man who was in the process of surrendering.

I think that OBL was already dead when the SEAL team went into the bedroom, killed by his bodyguards who had then killed themselves.

This did not fit with the Obama is a great hero scenario, so they tried to get the story out that OBL was fighting to the end and was killed in a vicious firefight.

Again, I do not believe our SEALs would have killed OBL if he were not a threat. They might have wanted to, but they would not have done it.

41 posted on 05/05/2011 6:12:30 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

What if their orders were dead not alive, would they have not followed them? Hell maybe they all committed suicide, certainly possible.


42 posted on 05/05/2011 6:19:00 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21; xzins; PBRSTREETGANG
What if their orders were dead not alive, would they have not followed them? Hell maybe they all committed suicide, certainly possible.

This was a military mission. If the orders were "dead, not alive" they would have overrulled the Administration and just dropped a bunker buster on the facility. They wanted him alive if possible.

The reason why I don't believe the "dead not alive" scenario is not only because the military has no reason to believe that Obama would give them cover, but that if the whole idea was to kill him, then the Military would have released the pictures of Osama to prove to the world he was dead. The Administration story is that Obama nixed the idea of a bunker buster because he wanted to make sure that Osama was dead. If that were true, then he would have released the photos so that the rest of the world would know it was true.

The only thing I can be sure of is that every story told by this administration up to this point has been false. Every one. That leaves an Osama suicide the only likely scenario. Osama would not have given the Americans the pleasure of either killing him or taking him alive.

43 posted on 05/05/2011 6:26:16 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Cyropaedia
Barack Obama ordered grisly photographs of Osama bin Laden in death sealed from public view on Wednesday, declaring, "We don't need to spike the football"

Most Americans want to see proof that bin Laden is dead, and right on cue, Obama (again) defaults to the position that is 180 degrees out of sync with the people.

This is the most anti-American president that any of us have ever seen, or will ever see.

44 posted on 05/05/2011 6:26:29 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: libertylover

They may not want to show the pictures because they would not support the idea he was killed while resisting.

The description of his head wound makes me wonder if he did not oft himself. I would think having a helicopter crash in your front yard and a 20 minute firefight in the front room would have alerted him to the possibility that something was not quite right in the compound.

He said he would never be taken alive and a shot under the chin or the temple fits a couple of the descriptions of the wounds and partly explains the ever changing story of what happened.

Politics permeates everything, I don’t know what to believe.


45 posted on 05/05/2011 6:29:33 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Cyropaedia

0bama’s Ministry of Misinformation strikes again!


46 posted on 05/05/2011 6:29:48 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c
HE'S COMIN' RIGHT FOR US!


47 posted on 05/05/2011 6:32:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: TxDas
...because they would not support the idea he was killed while resisting...I would think having a helicopter crash in your front yard... alerted him...He said he would never be taken alive and a shot under the chin or the temple...

Quite right on all points. A wound under the chin would show him to be a coward, and Obama wouldn't want that. But I heard he had a wound to the chest and another over the eye in a classic "double-tap" scenario.

48 posted on 05/05/2011 6:44:14 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Cyropaedia; DAC21; wmfights; Travis McGee; PBRSTREETGANG; Joe 6-pack

I can definitely see Osama having given an “eliminate” order about himself to his bodyguards rather than see him captured. Also, the guards may have realized the wisdom of such a thing on their own, or the Al Qaeda system might have that in place as a directive for all their leadership.

In any case, the shifting stories are fact, and PM is correct to state that at this point the only real facts we have are that their story keeps shifting.

I do know that any special ops force on the ground must wait for a “launch” go-ahead message from National Command Authority before they actually initiate a mission.

Would the team take matters into their own hands? Definitely, if they thought themselves threated, but then it would be reactive and not proactive responding to the target. NCA would be unable to rebuke them for that.

Another alternative is that the airframes were launched with a preliminary go-ahead, but the “go” for the hit was never given because the airframes were attacked in some way. That could be given that one of the blackhawks went down in that compound, the latest explanation being that it didn’t have sufficient air under its wings to lift.

I know the NightStalkers...they’re the best helo pilots in the world...and that just strikes me as odd that they’d send in a 4 pack of 2 chinooks and 2 blackhawks and not have counted on that. I saw one of them land a little bird once on the 3 inch tube railing of a cruise ship sailing off Diamond Head in Hawaii, so they simply don’t have inexperienced pilots or planners.

Just odd that “air under wing failure” is the cause of a TF160 blackhawk down.

I’m no pilot, though, nor the son of a pilot.


49 posted on 05/05/2011 6:47:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: libertylover

“A wound under the chin would show him to be a coward, and Obama wouldn’t want that. But I heard he had a wound to the chest and another over the eye in a classic “double-tap” scenario.”

So if you entered the room, after having shot all the other males in the compound, would you put a couple extra in to the body, just to make sure? That is what I would have done, just to make sure he was not faking.

Actually, I would have thought his body guard would have had instructions to not allow him to be captured.


50 posted on 05/05/2011 6:55:13 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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