Posted on 05/05/2011 4:33:36 AM PDT by Cyropaedia
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama ordered grisly photographs of Osama bin Laden in death sealed from public view on Wednesday, declaring, "We don't need to spike the football" in triumph after this week's daring middle-of-the-night raid. The terrorist leader was killed by American commandos who burst into his room and feared he was reaching for a nearby weapon, U.S. officials said.
Several weapons were found in the room where the terror chief died, including AK-47 assault rifles and side arms, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity as they offered the most recent in a series of increasingly detailed and sometimes-shifting accounts of bin Laden's final minutes after a decade on the run.
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I do not believe for a second that an elite SEAL team would do that. Unlike our president and his cronies, the SEALs are a professional unit, probably the most well trained elite force ever assembled. In light of the fact that this Administration is currently prosecuting a SEAL member for giving a terrorist a bloody nose during interrogation, I don't think for a second that they would have deliberately killed an unarmed man who was in the process of surrendering.
I think that OBL was already dead when the SEAL team went into the bedroom, killed by his bodyguards who had then killed themselves.
This did not fit with the Obama is a great hero scenario, so they tried to get the story out that OBL was fighting to the end and was killed in a vicious firefight.
Again, I do not believe our SEALs would have killed OBL if he were not a threat. They might have wanted to, but they would not have done it.
What if their orders were dead not alive, would they have not followed them? Hell maybe they all committed suicide, certainly possible.
This was a military mission. If the orders were "dead, not alive" they would have overrulled the Administration and just dropped a bunker buster on the facility. They wanted him alive if possible.
The reason why I don't believe the "dead not alive" scenario is not only because the military has no reason to believe that Obama would give them cover, but that if the whole idea was to kill him, then the Military would have released the pictures of Osama to prove to the world he was dead. The Administration story is that Obama nixed the idea of a bunker buster because he wanted to make sure that Osama was dead. If that were true, then he would have released the photos so that the rest of the world would know it was true.
The only thing I can be sure of is that every story told by this administration up to this point has been false. Every one. That leaves an Osama suicide the only likely scenario. Osama would not have given the Americans the pleasure of either killing him or taking him alive.
Most Americans want to see proof that bin Laden is dead, and right on cue, Obama (again) defaults to the position that is 180 degrees out of sync with the people.
This is the most anti-American president that any of us have ever seen, or will ever see.
They may not want to show the pictures because they would not support the idea he was killed while resisting.
The description of his head wound makes me wonder if he did not oft himself. I would think having a helicopter crash in your front yard and a 20 minute firefight in the front room would have alerted him to the possibility that something was not quite right in the compound.
He said he would never be taken alive and a shot under the chin or the temple fits a couple of the descriptions of the wounds and partly explains the ever changing story of what happened.
Politics permeates everything, I don’t know what to believe.
0bama’s Ministry of Misinformation strikes again!
Quite right on all points. A wound under the chin would show him to be a coward, and Obama wouldn't want that. But I heard he had a wound to the chest and another over the eye in a classic "double-tap" scenario.
I can definitely see Osama having given an “eliminate” order about himself to his bodyguards rather than see him captured. Also, the guards may have realized the wisdom of such a thing on their own, or the Al Qaeda system might have that in place as a directive for all their leadership.
In any case, the shifting stories are fact, and PM is correct to state that at this point the only real facts we have are that their story keeps shifting.
I do know that any special ops force on the ground must wait for a “launch” go-ahead message from National Command Authority before they actually initiate a mission.
Would the team take matters into their own hands? Definitely, if they thought themselves threated, but then it would be reactive and not proactive responding to the target. NCA would be unable to rebuke them for that.
Another alternative is that the airframes were launched with a preliminary go-ahead, but the “go” for the hit was never given because the airframes were attacked in some way. That could be given that one of the blackhawks went down in that compound, the latest explanation being that it didn’t have sufficient air under its wings to lift.
I know the NightStalkers...they’re the best helo pilots in the world...and that just strikes me as odd that they’d send in a 4 pack of 2 chinooks and 2 blackhawks and not have counted on that. I saw one of them land a little bird once on the 3 inch tube railing of a cruise ship sailing off Diamond Head in Hawaii, so they simply don’t have inexperienced pilots or planners.
Just odd that “air under wing failure” is the cause of a TF160 blackhawk down.
I’m no pilot, though, nor the son of a pilot.
“A wound under the chin would show him to be a coward, and Obama wouldn’t want that. But I heard he had a wound to the chest and another over the eye in a classic “double-tap” scenario.”
So if you entered the room, after having shot all the other males in the compound, would you put a couple extra in to the body, just to make sure? That is what I would have done, just to make sure he was not faking.
Actually, I would have thought his body guard would have had instructions to not allow him to be captured.
Maybe I missed something, but I have not heard a peep from any military official. The only word we have is what Obama said in his speech and what administration officials have said "on condition of anonymity".
This is pure unadulterated Bizzarro World crap.
If Osama were reaching for a weapon, there is video evidence of that fact. That could be released. The administration was watching the whole thing unfold (or so they say). That means that Team 6 had video cameras on their helmets. They don't have to show a picture of Osama dead, they can show a picture of him reaching for a weapon.
As I have said before, I believe he was already dead when Team 6 entered the room.
Hell maybe they all committed suicide, certainly possible.
I am wondering if OBL did commit suicide - or have orders to be killed, would that a not be sufficient explanation to the public? Why hide that scenario if true?
I was thinking about this as well. As much as I want to believe Osama as drilled by one of our guys, I could see one of his inner circle pumping one in the back of his head, execution style, before our guys ever got up to the bedroom. That may explain the disinclination to release the photos, lest our SEALs be blamed for capping him after he surrendered.
I think a more likely theory pertaining to the decision to not release the photos is that Obama's hand was forced to go in now...this raid will be long out of the news cycle by election time in 2012. I would expect a leak of the photos just 'round about August/September of next year to refresh our memories.
Of course this all speculation on my part.
****Osama probably didn’t have a fire arm because he would have had to register it under his name with the Pakistani government.****
Because there were kids in the house maybe all the guns had trigger locks on them! Don’t want no accidents do we?
You are on to something Joe. In Obama’s case it either “follow the money” or “follow the self-interest.”
He could be sitting on photos to release right before election to prove to people that he really does have a set.
If it serves his self-interest, then it’s a good possibility that he’ll go there.
And the key to his gun safe was sown into his clothes.
Straight out of the Saul Alinski (SP) playbook.
They are trying to make it appear as if the WH wanted to take him alive, but “Chaney's Assassins” killed him to shut him up so he wouldn't tell how Bush was behind 9/11.
The left’s mind works like a child's, you have to think down to their level.
Yes
Why hide that scenario if true?
This is the Obama Administration. Nothing they say is true.
FWIW a caller to Mark Levin’s show yesterday who claimed he was former Special Forces posited the same scenario. Said he had been on multiple raids similar to the OBL action and that it is not uncommon for jihadis to take their own lives, or have a trusted aide do so, when the wolves are at the door.
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