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Blackhawk pilot's quick thinking credited in raid
cbsnews.com ^ | May 5, 2011 | David Martin

Posted on 05/05/2011 6:04:58 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

(CBS News)THE PENTAGON - Surprise was a key element in the raid that brought Navy SEALs to kill Osama bin Laden's at his compound in Pakistan. Stealth helicopters helped the Americans get in undetected.

The SEALs did the shooting inside bin Laden's compound, but an elite Army unit called Task Force 160 flew them there and back, and the pilot of one of the Blackhawk helicopters may have been the difference between success and failure, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.

The SEALs were about to fast rope into the courtyard in front of bin Laden's house when the Blackhawk lost lift. Imagine what would have happened if it had crashed into the courtyard with all its SEALs still aboard.

Chris Marvin doesn't have to imagine. It happened to him in Afghanistan.

"How close did he come? As close as any helicopter pilot can, maybe closer," said Marvin, "but he had or she had the talent and skill level to land the aircraft safely and let everybody off without injuries."

During the mission early Monday morning in Pakistan, the pilot nudged the Blackhawk forward into a controlled crash but sheered off its tail section. The SEALs were able to continue with their mission and, before they left, blew up as much of the Blackhawk as they could but had to leave the tail section intact.

That gave aviation expert Bill Sweetman his first good look at a stealth helicopter.

"I think nobody outside the classified community really knew these existed," Sweetman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: oblraid

1 posted on 05/05/2011 6:05:01 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

WOPA lives.


2 posted on 05/05/2011 6:10:17 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I believe all of these solders and sailors involved in this mission are the best the world has. God Bless them!


3 posted on 05/05/2011 6:13:50 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It would be interesting to know the whole story of why the helicopter lost lift, if that’s what happened.


4 posted on 05/05/2011 6:15:01 PM PDT by Minn
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I bet when we get to see one of these stealth helicopters it will be Ugly but Beautiful!


5 posted on 05/05/2011 6:16:31 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"but he had or she had the talent and skill level to land the aircraft safely and let everybody off without injuries."

I believe the author/CBS is wrong about female pilots or crew in the 160th.

6 posted on 05/05/2011 6:18:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Pakis get billions each year from us yet they are going to sell this stealth helicopter to the Chinese? We can’t bribe them enough to get back this sensitive technology?


7 posted on 05/05/2011 6:19:20 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Minn

If the mission went as reported there were supposedly two Black Hawks and two Chinooks involved. It would be extremely interesting to also see what a stealth Chinook looks like!


8 posted on 05/05/2011 6:23:06 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Here's a picture:














9 posted on 05/05/2011 6:24:55 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: ansel12

This is a Democrat administration, and so would have wanted assurances from the Pentagon that the assassination team was “diverse” and “multicultural” and “multi-gender”, etc.


10 posted on 05/05/2011 6:27:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Minn
It would be interesting to know the whole story of why the helicopter lost lift, if that’s what happened.

I would hope its crew chief is looking for another occupation.

11 posted on 05/05/2011 6:28:55 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Red_Devil 232

“It would be extremely interesting to also see what a stealth Chinook looks like!”

It would be covered in large feather pillows! Rotor blades replaced with owl’s wings.

/sarc


12 posted on 05/05/2011 6:29:18 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: ansel12

The author is just following the style book recommendation (PC) in describing the pilot, probably NOT an outright suggestion that it WAS a she.


13 posted on 05/05/2011 6:29:18 PM PDT by hatter
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To: Red_Devil 232

I’ve been waiting for someone else to pick up on that. Stealth Blackhawks is one thing, but stealth S***hooks??? That one I gotta see.


14 posted on 05/05/2011 6:29:42 PM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I...)
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To: Last Dakotan
I would hope its crew chief is looking for another occupation.

A heavily laden helicopter can lose lift when it gets into ground effect and the subsequent turbulence from the main rotor. It could have been because they landed in that courtyard. The walls could have raised the ground effect turbulence enough to cause the crash.

15 posted on 05/05/2011 6:35:12 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: null and void

OK, that’s sorta funny in a disappointing kind of way.


16 posted on 05/05/2011 6:39:31 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

evil me...


17 posted on 05/05/2011 6:43:18 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: null and void

My wife just got pissed off at me when I called her in to look at your pic. I got a good chuckle tho.


18 posted on 05/05/2011 6:49:32 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: Malsua
A heavily laden helicopter can lose lift when it gets into ground effect and the subsequent turbulence from the main rotor. It could have been because they landed in that courtyard. The walls could have raised the ground effect turbulence enough to cause the crash.

Apparently the team spent months practicing for the raid using a 1:1 scale reproduction of the compound. I'd think that if the scenario you describe above is correct, it would've shown up during the training.
19 posted on 05/05/2011 6:50:41 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am waiting to hear what happens when the gals on The View discover that TF 160 doesn’t accept gals as pilots.


20 posted on 05/05/2011 6:51:23 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Malsua

We were told that they practiced for 6 months on a real-life mockup of the compound.

How could they not know the effect the walls would have?


21 posted on 05/05/2011 6:54:45 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Trump is fearless, and if he announces, he's going to fight a fight we've never seen, and will win.)
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To: hatter

It appears that it was impossible for it to be a she since they don’t have any “shes”, CBS and the author just created propaganda by giving that fake information to the public.


22 posted on 05/05/2011 6:57:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Lancey Howard

Can’t we simply applaud their skills and courage, as fellow humans, on behalf of our Republic without getting into your “stuff”?


23 posted on 05/05/2011 6:57:36 PM PDT by saltus (God's Will be done)
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To: tanknetter

That was what I was thinking. Now, did two helicopters land in the compound, or one. Where were the other two helicopters positioned, outside the compound with component spread out and expecting combat? I have a hunch that there was some confusion that hasn’t been reported. If one helicopter crashed, was there room in the compound for a larger chopper, perhaps over where they burned the garbage? Has anyone stated how many took part in the raid? Would 28 seem excessive?


24 posted on 05/05/2011 6:59:23 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Rannug
*shrug* They're like muslims, they have an unlimited ability to find things to be pissed off about.

nully ducking and sprinting for cover...

25 posted on 05/05/2011 7:06:03 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yup, this article got me wondering the same thing about whether this was an ‘affirmative action’ action.


26 posted on 05/05/2011 7:17:37 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Lancey Howard
This is a Democrat administration, and so would have wanted assurances from the Pentagon that the assassination team was “diverse” and “multicultural” and “multi-gender”, etc.

So, you think she was trying to parallel-park the thing?

27 posted on 05/05/2011 7:24:14 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: null and void

O.K. ... I don’t see a pic, mate. Not even a ref... can you post a link or something instead?


28 posted on 05/05/2011 7:27:16 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Utilizer

That’s how stealthy it is! You can’t see anything at all, no traces, nothing.


29 posted on 05/05/2011 7:42:24 PM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: Free ThinkerNY
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30 posted on 05/05/2011 7:45:28 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Red_Devil 232

Can’t even imagine there were stealth Chinooks.

More likely, two stealthy Blackhawks went in first, then the Chinooks arrived once the threats were neutralized.


31 posted on 05/05/2011 7:48:28 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Balding_Eagle

Relative humidity, temperature and altitude/air density would all effect the performance AND the ground effect. It would be pretty hard to duplicate ALL the variables that could be encountered, no matter how hard they trained.


32 posted on 05/05/2011 7:51:23 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Tomorrow, Jay Carney will tell us it went:

PILOT: “Mr. President! My Blackhawk is losing lift. What should I do, sir?”

Zero: “Stay calm, airman. I have planned out to the very last detail every possible contigency. Nudge your Blackhawk forward into a controlled crash, but be careful not to sheer off its tail section.”

PILOT: “Mr. President! The tail section sheered off! What should I do, sir?”

Zero: “Stay calm, airman. Already last August, when I took the gutsy decision to personally assemble your team, I anticipated that the tail section of your Blackhawk would indeed be sheered off. The SEALs already have my orders to destroy as much of the Blackhawk as possible, being careful, however, not to leave the tail section intact.”

PILOT: “Mr. President....” [garbled]

— 38 minute blackout —

UNKNOWN: “GERONIMO!”

ZERO: “Find out who said that! I did not approve as a code word that ugly slur against our Native American friends.”


33 posted on 05/05/2011 8:08:38 PM PDT by kevao
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To: MediaMole

More likely, two stealthy Blackhawks went in first, then the Chinooks arrived once the threats were neutralized.

So let me get this straight. at least 4 helicopters, two stealthy went into the heart of Pakistan, undetected, landed in a courtyard that couldn’t hold more than two helicopters, while two helicopters hovered above, went in, took out the target, dragged the body to the copter, got out, flew to an aircraft carrier, more than likely monitored from China, took a DNA sample, confirmed it, had a funeral, wrapped the body in a shroud(didn’t know aircraft carriers carried shrouds) , flew the team home from the aircraft carrier, meanwhile they were in a military district and being 11 hours behind did this in broad daylight?

Uh. Yeah right.


34 posted on 05/05/2011 8:16:17 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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35 posted on 05/05/2011 8:18:52 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You might be surprised what capabilities a carrier has. The law of averages opens up a lot of possibilities when you have that many people in one place doing a lot of dangerous stuff.


36 posted on 05/05/2011 8:39:17 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

Wife just told me it happened 1:30 am Paki time. My bad.


37 posted on 05/05/2011 8:56:20 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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To: kbennkc

WOPA member since 1969. ‘If you ain’t Cav, you ain’t S__t’.


38 posted on 05/05/2011 9:04:58 PM PDT by Dedbone
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To: tanknetter

Not necessarily...just having a mock-up compound to practice on isn’t the same as having an exact duplicate. Other people have SAT capabilites also they could pass on. Sometime just the outline of walls is all that is used.


39 posted on 05/05/2011 9:18:27 PM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: null and void
Wow, I didn't know those things could fly in a snowstorm.

Very impressive.

40 posted on 05/05/2011 9:30:08 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: null and void

LOL!


41 posted on 05/05/2011 10:46:44 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: null and void

ahahaaaaaaa


42 posted on 05/05/2011 11:07:08 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the otherhand)
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