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Kathleen Sebelius: Seniors may ‘die sooner’ under Ryan plan
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Posted on 05/06/2011 6:37:26 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Kathleen Sebelius: Seniors may ‘die sooner’ under Ryan plan

By: J. Lester Feder May 5, 2011 04:52 PM EDT

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that the Ryan Medicare proposal will lead to early deaths among seniors.

During testimony before the House Education and the Workforce Committee, she said seniors “will run out of money very quickly.”

She continued, “If you run out of the government voucher and then you run out of your own money, you’re left to scrape together charity care, go without care, die sooner. There really aren’t a lot of options.”

The committee’s Democrats began the hearing by firing a shot at the Ryan plan, releasing a report by the Center for Economic and Policy Research that found seniors will need to save an additional $182,000 in order to cover increased health costs if it were to become law.

During the question-and-answer period, New Jersey Democrat Rob Andrews said that, on average, seniors have less than $100,000 in their 401(k)s.

“If you’re a senior on Medicare and ... you emptied out your 401(k), it would only pay for less than half” of the new out of pocket costs, he said.

In the first half of the hearing, Committee Republicans did not rise to support the Medicare privatization plan passed last month, instead focusing attacks on the Affordable Care Act.

But later in the hearing, Indiana Rep. Larry Bucshon shot back at the secretary by accusing her of lying about the plan’s details.

“Are you aware [the Ryan plan is] designed after the same type of plan that members of Congress currently have, and would you call that putting members of Congress onto the open market?” he said. “Clearly it is deceptive to say to the American people.....

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: healthcare; kathleensebelius; obamacare; sebelius
So the debate is?????

Fools......

1 posted on 05/06/2011 6:37:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Ryan needs to get out there now and call her the lying bitch she is!


2 posted on 05/06/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Sub-Driver

Idiots. Under ObamaCare and its “death panels”, there won’t be any seniors.


3 posted on 05/06/2011 6:44:35 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, we know how the Dems are going to debate entitlement reform: anything that tries to limit costs kills seniors.


4 posted on 05/06/2011 6:45:37 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: Sub-Driver

Dying might be a good way out if living under socialism is the other option.


5 posted on 05/06/2011 6:46:30 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sub-Driver

The only fair plan is this: support and vote Dem and you live - support and vote Rep and you die. It’s for the children.


6 posted on 05/06/2011 6:49:29 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: Sub-Driver
a report...found seniors will need to save an additional $182,000 in order to cover increased health costs

So, how much is currently spent on EACH senior? More than $182,000? Seems hard to believe.

7 posted on 05/06/2011 6:50:28 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Sebelius stood by her comments, adding that, unlike the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, the federal government would not be the “generous partner” in insuring seniors that it is for federal employees.

Sebelius admits that government employees receive more generous medical benefits than the taxpayers that fund them but she doesn't want those taxpayers to have anything similar and, being a liberal Democrat, reverts to form and lies about the Ryan Medicare proposal while attempting to characterize it in a way that will scare senior citizens into believing that, under the Ryan proposal, they'll essentially 'lose' Medicare and 'be left to die'. Sebelius is a disgusting liar but she is an Obama appointee and this kind of shenanigans is their stock-in-trade. No wonder there is such a stark political divide in this country. Democrats lie incessantly and, sadly, many Americans still buy their mendacity, elect more Democrats - and the cycle continues. RINOs are almost as bad - but that's another thread.

8 posted on 05/06/2011 6:55:59 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Sub-Driver
The Sebilius & Obama solution to the US economic crisis:

Coming soon to Obamavilles near you!!

9 posted on 05/06/2011 7:00:17 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Sub-Driver
During the question-and-answer period, New Jersey Democrat Rob Andrews said that, on average, seniors have less than $100,000 in their 401(k)s.

Whose fault is that?

My 401k is less than half that, but that's my problem, not some congresscritter's.

I'm not retiring until at least 70. I made that decision 10 years ago, when we decided to add one more child to the family (he's in 3rd grade now).

He's been worth every penny, but I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks when he's a teenager.

10 posted on 05/06/2011 7:00:31 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Sub-Driver

The CEPR, founded in 1999, is a progressive think tank based in washington dc...

anyone get any further than this about it?


11 posted on 05/06/2011 7:02:18 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hey Sebelius: I would RATHER die sooner then spend my grandchildrens money before they are EVEN BORN

dumbass witch....

We are paying now for stupid programs people voted themselves 40 YEARS ago and I am sick of it. I give them a break (a little) becasue despite all the warnings no one actually saw this monstrosity of government come into fruition until now.

The people who were against these idiotic programs 40 years ago WERE RIGHT, and now it is PROVEN.

I DO NOT want my children thinking the same about me and our generation.


12 posted on 05/06/2011 7:03:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: Mr. K

It’s Sebilius so it’s bogus. Simple. We learned that the hard way in Kansas.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 7:10:37 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: Mr. K
The people who were against these idiotic programs 40 years ago WERE RIGHT, and now it is PROVEN.
My father lived through the Depression, was a die-hard (NYC) Democrat and staunch union man.
But even he could see back in the 60s that Medicare/Medicaid were wrong and said so.
Years later, when he admitted he voted for Ross Perot, all six of his kids looked at him like he had three heads.
14 posted on 05/06/2011 7:14:47 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Sub-Driver

ok so how much are we spending with current programs PER PERSON

I am sick of this $hit.

Welfare is 27% efficient. That means it costs $100,000 to hand out $23,000 ($27K + $73K overhead)

That is UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE~!!!

Give $30K to the local churches, and they will be able to help them better and cheaper and we will save $70K

I am betting Social Security and Medicaid are similarly stupid


15 posted on 05/06/2011 7:17:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: Sub-Driver

This “woman”, and I use the term loosely, gets under my skin almost as much as Obama, Pelosi and Reed. She is a true, commie-rat believer.


16 posted on 05/06/2011 7:21:39 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sebelius praised the SEIU for their “support”.


17 posted on 05/06/2011 7:24:28 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Sub-Driver

Part of the problem is how the family has been destroyed in this country. 50 or 60 years ago. Parents lived with their kids when they reached a certain age. The mother, who stayed at home, helped take care of the parents if they needed it and, to the extent possible, the parents helped with the kids. That rarely happens these days. Its a shame. If it did, it would go a long way toward solving any “crisis” that came from seniors not having enough money.


18 posted on 05/06/2011 7:26:53 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: Sub-Driver
Kathleen Sebelius: Seniors may ‘die sooner’ under Ryan plan

I doubt the seniors numbers will be in the millions as it is for the unborn under Sebelius' Planned Parenthood plan.

19 posted on 05/06/2011 7:29:11 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Sub-Driver

Sebelius, the pimp-daddy’s second favorite political whore, after Janet Napolitano, is in so far over her head that she is drowning in her own words. Like the rest of the White House, she talks just to hear herself talk. If you taped her mouth up, she would probably sh_t herself to death.


20 posted on 05/06/2011 7:32:48 AM PDT by jmax
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To: Sub-Driver

I wasn’t aware that either Ryan or Sillybus will decide when I die - always thought maybe that was up to God. Silly me.


21 posted on 05/06/2011 7:39:11 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Sub-Driver; All
Senior are going to get a lot less health care. At least, a lot less government-paid health care. It's coming whether you like it or not, and no matter who controls Washington.

The non-secret "secret" about the high cost of American health care compared to other nations is the billions upon billions we spend in essentially futile care during the last year of life. Barack Obama, Don Berwick, and Paul Ryan would all agree with this if their names could be kept off the quote.

If the system is to survive the demographic shifts of the next decades, this practice simply has to stop.

It may be that Paul Ryan prevails, and that the Medicare HMO's who are put in charge of utilization will determine that quadruple bypasses for patients who've had two strokes are "clinically ineffective" as compared to some prescriptions and a walker.

It may be that Barack Obama prevails, and that the Medicare advisory panel decides that a hip replacement is "not medically indicated" for 90 year olds, and that a nice wheelchair is more appropriate.

Both plans, if implemented, will see more patients go straight from the ED to a nice hospice room, if the prognosis for recovery is gloomy enough.

And make no mistake, these decisions will all be cost motivated, and they will come to pass. Everyone who works in health care on the financial side has seen this coming for a decade.

The "golden days" of Medicare, when every new technology was covered, and when many weeks in the ICU preceded every death, are over.

Repeat - those days are over.

22 posted on 05/06/2011 7:58:38 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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"...“If you run out of the government voucher and then you run out of your own money, you’re left to scrape..."

If you listen to liberals long enough, they simply tell you what they have planned for you.

They want to bankrupt people so they have no choice and no alternative. Big surprise there. But I sure do give them credit for their sophisticated two prong approach of shoving illegal unconstitutional legislation through while bankrupting people at the same time.

Can't just depend on people to WANT the "dog food".

23 posted on 05/06/2011 9:53:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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