Does Anybody Still Give a #(^&! About Net Neutrality?

PC World ^ | May 5th | Lisa Greim

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

-——————If a customer is unhappy with their ISP, they can complain, change ISP’s or sue.

Fantasyland, not reality.

Sue? Sue on what grounds? What’s the contract say? The US Supreme Court ruled just LAST WEEK a contract can limit a customer to arbitration and forfeit the right to sue. AT&T was the winning litigant.———————

Sounds like a good ground to have the laws changed.

It strikes me that the FCC/Genachowski(sp?) do not want to change the laws so as to empower the people.

To empower you and I.

He wants power for himself.

Throw the rule of law overboard, welcome to the rule of man. Welcome to the rule of net neutrality, and the rule of the FCC.

Color me uninterested.

You’ve identified a real problem. Great, let’s fix the laws and solve the problem. Without dictators.

-————Do you want monopoly providers making those choices for you? Hulu over Netflix. DailyKos over FR. Vimeo over YouTube.-—————

I certainly don’t want bureacurats telling us hulu over netflix, dailykos over fr. vimeo over youtube.

Do you?

Keep the power separated, don’t welcome the power grab.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

------------Do you want monopoly providers making those choices for you? Hulu over Netflix. DailyKos over FR. Vimeo over YouTube.

DailyKos over FR - that's exactly what I'm afraid the current gov't will do.--------------

Obama’s Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein’s Big Gov Power Grabbing Mandate to Legally Control the Internet(listen to him for yourself)

Kagan and the Cass Sunstein Connection

Sites of one point of view [would] agree to provide links to other sites

If we could get voluntary arrangements in that direction that would be great. And if we can’t get voluntary arrangements maybe Congress should hold hearings about mandates.

The best would for this to be done voluntarily but uh the word ‘voluntary’ is a little complicated

[who_would_fardels_bear]

"A few years ago we had the ability to choose who we bought our electricity and phone service from, the company that hung the wires was not necessarily the same as the service provider. What happened to that?"

Those companies had names like Enron and Duke energy.

The problem is that it was deemed very inefficient to allow multiple companies to run their own sets of wires/cables to every home.

So the government gave monopolies to certain companies. In exchange for the advantage of monopoly power those companies had to agree to certain rules. One of those rules was that any third party that wanted to run a virtual phone company on top of their lines had to be charged fees such that they could be competitive with the company that had run the lines.

So you have companies like Virgin, Boost, etc. running on top of Sprint. You also have ISPs running on top of AT&T, Verizon, etc.

Every company needs something from the government in order to have a profitable business plans. The companies that spent all the money to build up the infrastructure need to recoup those expenses. The companies sitting on top of the infrastructure need to be able to provide their services at a reasonable cost.

Thus they are all lobbying government to get the best deal possible.

The Net Neutrality issue is not free market capitalism vs. evil socialistic government. It is one set of crony capitalists vs. another group of crony capitalists.

I have had generally bad service from AT&T. I've heard only bad things about Time/Warner and Comcast. I get good service from Netflix.

I am therefore siding with the crony capitalists that provide me the best service: Netflix.

It's as simple as that.

[SengirV]

Looks like some folks need to sue comcast ...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/227725/the_pirate_bay_blocked_by_comcast_isp_says_no.html

This isn’t the 1st time one of the big guys has messed with torrent sites, while at the same time crippling legit businesses that distribute material using torrents. For example, Blizzard Entertainment(computer games) distributes updates using torrents. Major telco’s interrupting torrents adversely effected Blizzard’s ability to distribute updates.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

Then sue their pants off.

[SengirV]

I”m sure the courts will get around to it in a couple years. Welcome to EVERY aspect of modern life being stacked against the little guy. By NOT telling the telco’s to keep their hands off the packets of info running around the internet, we are adding another layer of consumer crushing iron curtain that will NEVER come down.

[SengirV]

Sorry to hit you up twice in a couple minutes. Found a story about a European company basically finding any and all ways to block/charge customers who dare try to use alternatives to what the telco is selling.

http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/05/12/kpn-admits-to-using-deep-packet-inspection/

Welcome to the future of NON-net Neutrality. But please, keep on pushing it with some misguided notion that this will be good for customers.

*shakes head in disbelief*

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

—————I”m sure the courts will get around to it in a couple years.-—————

So then we update the laws so as to protect the rule of law and the little guy from the tyranny of the FCC, the tyranny of marxists and their net neutrality, and the tyranny of big government in general.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

-————Sorry to hit you up twice in a couple minutes.-————

Hit me up as many times as you want. Just a warning, you’ll be disappointed. I’m no fan of any telco.

-————Found a story about a European company——————

Europe isn’t a land historically known for freedom. Let Europe’s marxists shut down europe’s internet.

Not in america. We deserve better than that. We deserve freedom.

—————keep on pushing it with some misguided notion that this will be good for customers.—————

Surely you can point to a post where I said such a thing.