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The Waterboarding Trail to bin Laden
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 6, 2011 | By MICHAEL B. MUKASEY (Former Attorney General)

Posted on 05/06/2011 9:14:34 AM PDT by garjog

"But policies put in place by the very administration that presided over this splendid success promise fewer such successes in the future. Those policies make it unlikely that we'll be able to get information from those whose identities are disclosed by the material seized from bin Laden. The administration also hounds our intelligence gatherers in ways that can only demoralize them.

Consider how the intelligence that led to bin Laden came to hand. It began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information—including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden."

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; osamabinladenkilled; terrorism; torture; waterboarding
The Obama administration has done serious damage to our future security.
1 posted on 05/06/2011 9:14:42 AM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog
"Very impressive score, sir...

"... but if we could finish planning your vacation."


2 posted on 05/06/2011 9:16:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Navy SEALs: They'll shoot your eyes out.)
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To: garjog

Just read an artilce on Christain science monitor...says they got the info from Mohammed AFTER the waterboarding stopped when they promised him cookies and milk and a rack of lamb.


3 posted on 05/06/2011 9:19:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: garjog

Interesting comments after the article. I look at it this way; if my family was being held by terrorists and the only way to save them was by torture of terrorist, I would highly recommend it!


4 posted on 05/06/2011 9:21:27 AM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: garjog

5 posted on 05/06/2011 9:23:02 AM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Do you have a link to this?


6 posted on 05/06/2011 9:23:46 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: garjog

The libs’ll love this!


7 posted on 05/06/2011 9:25:02 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Travis McGee

http://fashion.telegraph.co.uk/galleries/TMG8497577/Princess-Beatrices-royal-wedding-hat-goes-viral.html

obama war room photo


8 posted on 05/06/2011 9:25:42 AM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: ohiogrammy

“if my family was being held by terrorists and the only way to save”

Think of the families that would have grieved over the loss of loved ones killed by terror attacks that were demonstrably prevented by the interrogations?

I keep thinking of the young guy here in Washington state who came home on 9 11 and got a voice mail from his beautiful fiance about how afraid she was the the black smoke outside.


9 posted on 05/06/2011 9:25:44 AM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog
Excellent column.

B T T T ! ! !


10 posted on 05/06/2011 9:27:36 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Steelfish

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/0505/Military-interrogators-Waterboarding-didn-t-yield-tips-that-led-to-bin-Laden?cmpid=addthis_reddit&sms_ss=reddit&at_xt=4dc387cf2183844c,0


11 posted on 05/06/2011 9:28:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

That could be true. He told them so that they wouldn’t waterboard him again. He liked the cookies and lamb better than being waterboarded.

Either way, the harsh tactics worked.


12 posted on 05/06/2011 9:29:34 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ohiogrammy

It was proven during WWII that the enemy could find out anything they wanted within 45 minutes. When I was in the service, many years ago, they told us to consider what we knew and ask ourselves was it worth keeping your mouth shut because they’ll find out the info anyway.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 9:33:12 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Sacajaweau
From your link:

The opportunity to glean valuable intelligence from the leader of a powerful terrorist organization was lost, says retired Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who interrogated generals under the command of Saddam Hussein and evaluated US detention operations at Guantánamo.

Notably missing is firsthand experience and knowledge of the interrogations in question. What a surprise.

14 posted on 05/06/2011 9:40:13 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ohiogrammy

to garjog- I believe Alan Dershowitz said much the same during the Bush years - his family merited any means necessary...not sure if he’s still on that bus though.


15 posted on 05/06/2011 9:43:29 AM PDT by Anti dote
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To: ken21

LOL, that war room photo is very quickly becoming a cultural icon.


16 posted on 05/06/2011 10:09:49 AM PDT by fhayek
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17 posted on 05/06/2011 10:14:53 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Sacajaweau
Just read an artilce on Christain science monitor...says they got the info from Mohammed AFTER the waterboarding stopped when they promised him cookies and milk and a rack of lamb.

But one cannot discount the fact that he WAS waterboarded. Once the subject breaks, then yes, the info comes out without the need for further extraordinary measures. Perhaps the specific bit of intelligence did not come directly out of a boarding session but you cannot extrapolate that it would have come if the boarding had never been used.

18 posted on 05/06/2011 11:44:48 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (I asked the bartender for a bin Ladin, she said 'what's that? I said 'two shots then a splash.')
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To: NonValueAdded
Absolutely...No different than time out for a 2 year old.

The problem is it was approved and THEN disapproved along with "standing for a long time", sleep deprivation", etc etc

McCain agrees with the new rules...but you know damn well he does it with a wink, wink.

19 posted on 05/06/2011 11:54:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

With all due deference to Sen McCain, he is not an impartial observer when it comes to torture for obvious reasons.


20 posted on 05/06/2011 11:57:08 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (I asked the bartender for a bin Ladin, she said 'what's that? I said 'two shots then a splash.')
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To: garjog

When excerpting some Murdoch sources like the Wall Street Journal, larger excerpts would be appreciated, especially by those who can only access a dial-up service for an internet service provider.

I have DSL from Verizon, but when I link the Wall Street Journal, it takes so long to download that it’s like being on a dial-up service again.


21 posted on 05/08/2011 12:44:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Sacajaweau
"Just read an article on Christian Science Monitor...says they got the info from Mohammed AFTER the waterboarding stopped when they promised him cookies and milk and a rack of lamb

That's the Diane Feinstein line. ...that KSM so vigorously denied that al-Kuwaiti (the courier) had any significance, that the interrogators figured the opposite was true.

Don't know which side it is, but somebody is lying desperately about what happened in the interrogations.

The thing that does not ring true about the Feinstein line is that KSM would have had to be a lousy liar for her scenario to make sense. And everything we have learned about KSM points to his being an accomplished and disciplined liar with ice in his veins.

23 posted on 05/08/2011 7:04:39 PM PDT by cookcounty (Final Score: Osama bin Laden: 72 Sturgeons. American People: 72 Versions.)
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24 posted on 05/08/2011 7:10:47 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: garjog
From the Christian Science Monitor article referenced above:

A group of former US military interrogators ......

Note that these are military not CIA interrogators, and that the CS Monitor only names one, Col. Herrington, who was not present for waterboarding.

Also be aware that there has been some very strong negative attitudes between Army interrogators and CIA interrogators, to be more specific, some (and I emphasize some) Army interrogators have been very quick to trash-talk the CIA. They often felt the CIA was not respecting their work. Justified or not, I do not know, I just know the bitterness was there.

Also be aware that the Monitor hires only people on the political left.

25 posted on 05/08/2011 7:17:28 PM PDT by cookcounty (Final Score: Osama bin Laden: 72 Sturgeons. American People: 72 Versions.)
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To: garjog
The other BS in the Monitor article is that KSM asserrted his right to remain silent and asked for a lawyer.

Under Eric Holder's Criminal investigation Rules, that would have ended interrogations, right there. Eric Holder is a total idiot and a threat to freedom everywhere. He lives in a lawyer's dream world.

26 posted on 05/08/2011 7:22:10 PM PDT by cookcounty (Final Score: Osama bin Laden: 72 Sturgeons. American People: 72 Versions.)
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To: NonValueAdded
"With all due deference to Sen McCain, he is not an impartial observer when it comes to torture for obvious reasons.

I don't want to disparage the Senator, after all he went through, but did he not state in his biography that the NVA succeeded in getting information from him at the Hanoi Hilton?

Please, please correct me if I am in error. I'm sure I would break in 5 minutes.

27 posted on 05/08/2011 7:26:02 PM PDT by cookcounty (Final Score: Osama bin Laden: 72 Sturgeons. American People: 72 Versions.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks neverdem for the link.


28 posted on 05/10/2011 11:51:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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