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Bill requiring welfare recipients to take drug tests headed to [Florida] governor
Miami Herald ^ | May 6. 2011 | Jodie Tillman, Herald/Times Tallahassee bureau

Posted on 05/06/2011 12:53:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

TALLAHASSEE -- Applying for welfare benefits in Florida? Soon you’ll need to get drug tested.

A measure requiring the tests passed the Senate on Thursday and is headed to Gov. Rick Scott, who called it one of his legislative priorities.

“It’s fair to taxpayers,” Scott said after the vote. “They’re paying the bill. And they’re often drug screened for their jobs. On top of that, it’s good for families. It creates another reason why people will think again before using drugs, which as you know is just a significant issue in our state.”

Scott already signed an executive order requiring random drug testing of state workers.

HB 353 requires all adult recipients of federal cash benefits — the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program — to pay for the tests, which are typically around $35. The screen would be for all controlled substances and applicants would have to disclose any legal prescriptions.

Recipients who test positive for drugs would lose their benefits for a year. If they fail a second time, they lose the benefits for three years. Parents who test positive must designate another adult to receive benefits on behalf of their children.

Those who pass would be reimbursed by having their benefits increased by the cost of the test.

“This is an effort to stop this cycle of drug abuse,” said Sen. Steve Oelrich, R-Gainesville, one of the sponsors, who added the requirement was similar to one that many employers make of workers.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: budget; drugabuse; rickscott; taxes; welfare
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1 posted on 05/06/2011 12:53:20 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How long before one hears screams of ‘racism’?


2 posted on 05/06/2011 12:55:06 PM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: tgusa

“F”em! If you want the money take the test!


3 posted on 05/06/2011 12:56:20 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is beer a drug?


4 posted on 05/06/2011 12:58:34 PM PDT by central_va
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s about time!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 05/06/2011 1:01:24 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump


6 posted on 05/06/2011 1:02:11 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The last Democrat worth a damn was Stalin. He purged his whole Party.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is NOT a bad idea. There are some safeguards as well for prescription medications or a visit to the dentist (novacaine can test positive).


7 posted on 05/06/2011 1:02:28 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: tgusa

How long before one hears screams of ‘racism’?


WHO CARES??? This is like crying “fire” over and over until no one listens or cares anymore.


8 posted on 05/06/2011 1:02:50 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: tgusa
"How long before one hears screams of ‘racism’?"

About one minute after the first study showing a disproportionate number of a certain racial group being denied compared to whitey.

9 posted on 05/06/2011 1:04:21 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: central_va

“Is beer a drug?”

Yea, but don’t tell anyone.


10 posted on 05/06/2011 1:05:02 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: DefeatCorruption

I’m sure the liberal view is that drug testing people on public assistance is violating people’s rights.

Well, if you want to use drugs, then you can’t be on public assistance. We all make choices in life.

I’m sure liberals will decry drug addicts getting kicked off public assistance. They will say that now they can’t get treated for their addictions, among other things.


11 posted on 05/06/2011 1:05:36 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We have so many abusers and users of the welfare system here in Florida it is breaking our backs!

Folks come down here from the cold and immediately apply for every kind fo welfare that's available.

I know of a rehab center in SW Florida that accommodates “addicts” from the NE during the winter time for 30 day stints-they leave for a week, get a $500 welfare check, use it on drugs and are back at the rehab center for 30 more days of “a cot and 3 hots” a pool, jacuzzi, tennis courts.

All of this, of course, sponsored by the taxpayer!

12 posted on 05/06/2011 1:06:26 PM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NEXT for the drug tests: Incumbent politicians.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 1:06:36 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: DefeatCorruption

EXACTLY. We need to laugh in the face of every preposterous use of the race card. We are going to see it more and more as 2012 gets closer.


14 posted on 05/06/2011 1:08:11 PM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: momtothree

(novacaine can test positive).

Not for cocaine. The mass spec is incontrovertible evidence for cocaine use.


15 posted on 05/06/2011 1:09:23 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is so great I can’t stand it...jumping for joy that FINALLY it’s about time someone applied some common logic to this gimmeee-gimmee group - can’t pass a drug test then you can’t get a job..same rule should apply to welfare.


16 posted on 05/06/2011 1:10:32 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Finally, common sense prevails.


17 posted on 05/06/2011 1:17:59 PM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm still listening)
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To: RC one

I’ve heard this mentioned in Texas.

Wonder if this will become a national trend.


18 posted on 05/06/2011 1:19:18 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can see it happening in Ohio. Our state is running a 10 billion dollar budget deficit and our governor has made it clear that he is serious about cutting costs.


19 posted on 05/06/2011 1:22:26 PM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm still listening)
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To: central_va

Nope! It is a NUTRITIOUS FOOD!


20 posted on 05/06/2011 1:26:58 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“I got fired from my state job for continuous drug use and then they kicked me off welfare for continuous drug use. You know what I’m gonna do?”

“Quit using drugs?”

“Nope. Vote Democrat.”


21 posted on 05/06/2011 1:29:49 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: not2worry
"We have so many abusers and users of the welfare system here in Florida it is breaking our backs!"

that's not so bad.

In CA we have 1/10th of the national population and 1/3 of all welfare recipients. We don't even have the national cap of 5 years the rest of the country has...after 5 years here the state takes over all obligations.

People move here for the welfare. People move out to start businesses.

22 posted on 05/06/2011 1:32:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional. To do this, the Fed needs to pass a law similar to the military where you agree to give up your constitutional rights when you go on public assistance similar to giving them up when you go into the military. Otherwise, the courts will strike this down in a heartbeat, as it is a nobrainer violation of the 4th Amendment.


23 posted on 05/06/2011 1:34:20 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve been harping on this for Nevada as well.


24 posted on 05/06/2011 1:35:06 PM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's about friggin’ time! If you refuse to take the drug test,then get a JOB!!! Next should be “health coaches” for Welfare bums. I've been called 3 times this year from a “Health Coach” hired by our health insurance company.
25 posted on 05/06/2011 1:39:23 PM PDT by 4yearlurker
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To: microgood

“The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional. To do this, the Fed needs to pass a law similar to the military where you agree to give up your constitutional rights when you go on public assistance similar to giving them up when you go into the military. Otherwise, the courts will strike this down in a heartbeat, as it is a nobrainer violation of the 4th Amendment.”

So it is unconstitutional for an employer to make you take a drug test? Since when is welfare a constitutional right?


26 posted on 05/06/2011 1:39:49 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What a concept !

Now.....if they would only have regular drug-testing required to CONTINUE on welfare.....

27 posted on 05/06/2011 1:45:06 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: TxDas
So it is unconstitutional for an employer to make you take a drug test? Since when is welfare a constitutional right?

No, an employer is not the Federal Government or state government, so they can do it as a condition of voluntary employment. And welfare is not a constitutional right, but in order to search you, the government has to have probable cause to believe you are doing drugs:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
28 posted on 05/06/2011 1:45:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

>The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional

Wrong.

That is a type of right that can be waived for a compensation due.
It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.
Settled law.


29 posted on 05/06/2011 1:48:09 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

Somebody call Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson.


30 posted on 05/06/2011 1:49:45 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: microgood

Welfare is a voluntary agreement with the Government. You do not have to be on welfare. You do not have to apply for welfare.

The Government has already set restrictions (i.e. how much you can earn, how long you have been unemployed, etc.) on the receiving of benefits. This will be an additional, lawful restriction.


31 posted on 05/06/2011 1:52:08 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: bill1952
It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.

Do you have some examples of Federal agencies doing this (except military)?
32 posted on 05/06/2011 1:52:30 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The Government has already set restrictions (i.e. how much you can earn, how long you have been unemployed, etc.) on the receiving of benefits.

But those have nothing to do with the bill of rights or the constitution, since welfare is not a constitutional right. Here you are asking someone to waive their constitutional rights.

So if you are right, then when you take public assistance, they can make you give up your right to own a gun as well.
33 posted on 05/06/2011 1:55:04 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

DEA, FBI, ATF, NSA, FAA - give me a minute and we can come up with a dozen more. :)


34 posted on 05/06/2011 1:56:19 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952
That is a type of right that can be waived for a compensation due.

It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.

Settled law.


So they can take your guns away as well?
35 posted on 05/06/2011 1:56:54 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The cost of the testing will easily pay for itself.

And as a privacy matter I have no problem with this as it is a condition of receiving charity.


36 posted on 05/06/2011 1:57:56 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: bill1952
DEA, FBI, ATF, NSA, FAA - give me a minute and we can come up with a dozen more. :)

That is based on a voluntary acceptance of a job, and random drug testing is only allowed for certain job titles that affect public safety. Totally different situation. Heck, when I worked for DOD as an engineer they could not random test me as I was not directly tied to public safety.

This is a case of some random citizen that you have no evidence of their drug use and they are not in a job critical to public safety. Cannot do it.
37 posted on 05/06/2011 2:01:39 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I wonder which is more addictive- gubmint cheese or crack?


38 posted on 05/06/2011 2:03:31 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: microgood

The Florida governor founded Solantic in 2001, only a few years after he resigned as the CEO of hospital giant Columbia/HCA. In January, according to the Palm Beach Post, he transferred his $62 million stake in Solantic to his wife, Ann Scott, a homemaker involved in various charitable organizations.

Among the services that Solantic offers: drug testing.


39 posted on 05/06/2011 2:04:13 PM PDT by chemengineer42
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To: RC one

I can’t wait for our hero Governor Walker to implement this in Wisconsin. Coming to a state near you! Whoo Hooo!


40 posted on 05/06/2011 2:06:13 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: microgood
but in order to search you, the government has to have probable cause

Not true. If the government searches everyone, for example at airport screening, or sobriety checkpoints it is permissible and has been upheld by the courts. You can refuse to be searched at airport screening points, but you will be denied boarding. You can refuse to be greeted at a sobriety checkpoint, but you will lose your driver's license.

41 posted on 05/06/2011 2:06:13 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (To conserve energy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off permanently.)
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To: microgood
So if you are right, then when you take public assistance, they can make you give up your right to own a gun as well.

You mean like the "no gun" rules for public assisted housing?

42 posted on 05/06/2011 2:07:31 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: microgood

Welfare is NOT a constitutional right.


43 posted on 05/06/2011 2:08:12 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I haven’t heard anything about the bill here in Texas the last week or so, but hope our state does the same.


44 posted on 05/06/2011 2:11:32 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The American taxpayer cannot support the tax and spend habits of DC.)
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To: microgood

The way I understand it the test is voluntary, it means no test - no check. If somebody doesn’t want to take the test then simply that month they don’t get a welfare check. No 4th amendment problem there.


45 posted on 05/06/2011 2:12:12 PM PDT by central_va
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve been laid off from the military-industrial complex where I’ve spent most of my 33 year career. Since about 1985 I had to submit to random drug testing just to have a job. I’m fine with that as drug users introduce many errors into their work and they have more accidents than non-drug users.

Since I’ve been laid off I thought I’d take advantage of the unemployment agencies’ free Microsoft certification program. (Not really free, thank you very much, taxpayers.) As a result I’ve been at the unemployment office every day. The unemployment office is also the welfare office and a bunch of other help-the-poor services, all rolled up into one office.

I’ve never seen so many worthless lumps of flesh in one place before. During the orientation session everybody has to go through, one young man was so high he suddenly freaked out and ran from the room.

The classroom I’m in is located on the sidewalk side of the building and has a long mirrored window. People aren’t allowed to use their cell phones inside, so they go outside and lean against the mirrored window to talk about drugs (buying, selling, using), cheating on unemployment and buying/selling/obtaining stolen goods. (My favorite; one guy tells somebody he was shooting a porn video. The entire class swiveled to look up and the lady behind me whispered, “Maybe he’s the cameraman.” ‘Cause he was FAT.)
That’s another thing; I’d say 85% of the unemployed I’ve seen are obese, as in 50-100 pounds overweight. One grossly obese woman tells somebody on her phone she was up until 4:00 am “killing the buzz.” As an employer I’d look at most of these tattooed, fat people…reeking with body language attitude and say, “Pass.”

Obama t-shirts and bumper stickers (and, I swear to God) tattoos are everywhere. Twice, there’s been a register-to-vote table set up in the lobby with some artsy, rich looking white woman I take to be a volunteer lambasting these folks that they need to get out there and vote for what they deserve.


46 posted on 05/06/2011 2:17:54 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: central_va
Is beer a drug?

You mean beer or Colt 45?


47 posted on 05/06/2011 2:18:31 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: CholeraJoe
You can refuse to be searched at airport screening points, but you will be denied boarding.

I read of one instance where TSA refused to let a person leave the airport and threatened charges for refusing to be searched.

48 posted on 05/06/2011 2:21:17 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No wonder my BIL’s commie NEA wife goes apoplectic when she hears Scott’s name. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside just to think about it.


49 posted on 05/06/2011 2:23:06 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I smell a whole new agency that will be setup to rehab these scum who fail the test. Psych tests, etc., and of course, it will stay the denial of benefits pending successful treatment.


50 posted on 05/06/2011 2:24:43 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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