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Death of Osama bin Laden: Phone call pointed U.S. to compound — and to ‘the pacer’
washingtonpost.com ^ | May 7 2011 | Bob Woodward

Posted on 05/07/2011 1:13:53 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

It seemed an innocuous, catch-up phone call. Last year Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, the pseudonym for a Pakistani known to U.S. intelligence as the main courier for Osama bin Laden, took a call from an old friend.

Where have you been? inquired the friend. We’ve missed you. What’s going on in your life? And what are you doing now?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010; 72versions; abuahmedalkuwaiti; alkuwaiti; bobwoodward; courier; obamaganda; obltermination; shiftingstory; specialforces

1 posted on 05/07/2011 1:13:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

In English no less.


2 posted on 05/07/2011 1:15:29 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If Bob Woodward wants to relive his Watergate glory days he needs to find out who barry really is.


3 posted on 05/07/2011 1:25:50 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Has anyone discussed in any kind of detail the nature of the helicopter malfunction? That seems like kind of a big big deal despite the mission’s success. That helicopter shouldn’t have failed.


4 posted on 05/07/2011 1:27:27 AM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm still listening)
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To: SpaceBar
If Bob Woodward wants to relive his Watergate glory days he needs to find out who barry really is.

Yeah, no kidding. Where've you been, Woodstein?

If Obozo was a Republican Supreme Court nominee, Woodstein would have been all over his citizenship issue like flies on dung.

5 posted on 05/07/2011 1:33:23 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: RC one
Has anyone discussed in any kind of detail the nature of the helicopter malfunction?

The photos seem to indicate the tail section was sheared by the wall. Impossible to guess if damage/malfunction or pilot error got it to that point. By the way, helicopters are notorious for failing at the worst of times. Just ask a helicopter pilot.

6 posted on 05/07/2011 1:35:24 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I once had the opportunity to work with a “skunk works” group doing competitive analysis. Using commercially available aerial photographs, and with their assistance, I was able to determine the number of people employed, plant capacity, what was being produced,etc. That was 30 years ago.

And today, the CIA can’t tell the difference between a 5’8” man and a 6’8” man? How about the length of his shadow and simple trigonometry?


7 posted on 05/07/2011 1:38:05 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Ha, worst translation of Insh'Allah I've seen yet.. (Arabic: إنشالله‎)

"The friend replied, “May God facilitate.”"

Relief for the armchair generals in revelation that the US Abbottabad safe house was mission purposed and not a longterm asset.

8 posted on 05/07/2011 1:38:48 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: RC one
Has anyone discussed in any kind of detail the nature of the helicopter malfunction?

I saw an Aviation Week article being e-mailed around that said that it wasn't mechanical, or even pilot error really. It was supposedly a thermal anomaly right above the compound; for some reason the air above the compound (because it's hardpacked dirt?) was 15O F warmer than ambient temps all around the area, and the helicopter abruptly lost lift when they flew into it and the pilot couldn't get it back in time before they pancaked.

9 posted on 05/07/2011 1:39:06 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: XHogPilot

Why do you suppose they didn’t destroy the tail section? It looked pretty much intact to me.

And I agree. It looks like the pilot landed on the wall.


10 posted on 05/07/2011 1:40:27 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: RC one

I read that the high walls blocked air circulation, created a vortex or something. Makes sense to me with little that I know, but they would not admit the truth if it was a pilot error or mechanical any way.


11 posted on 05/07/2011 1:41:09 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: RC one

Not sure the pilot knew there were 7 or 8 foot tall vinyard tressels made of 1” or larger aluminum pipes in the area of compound he tried to abort land on, and it was a split second decision.

ON a aviation forum a BH pilot mentioned it is possible for the downwash on the BH to create voids at that altitude, and the modified BH was already laden with 500 to 1000 pounds of additional weight in the experimental design config, plus was at full load capacity with the SEALs team.
This pilot said looked like the BH crashed nose down and the tail slammed onto the wall after the blades hit the ground... due the the body being exceedingly close to the outer wall that split the BH apart, and the angle of separation on the tail section. Just a rumor 3rd hand, but sounded legit and the this pilot/forum poster had thousands of posts and no one called him out on it.


12 posted on 05/07/2011 1:45:27 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: 240B

I’m thinking that the tail was on the outside of the wall, and the SEALS were on the inside.

Interesting on the hardpacked dirt with different thermal properties. Another thread said they had a full-scale mock-up to train on, and one of the other posters felt that with all of that training under the “exact” conditions they would know about the wind effects, etc.

I guess next time they will try to mimic the soil conditions as well if this report is true.

I still wonder if it wasn’t shot down by an AK47 or an RPG. But that would be bad press when it comes time to sell these things or renew our budget for more of these fancy stealth helicopters.

Regardless, amazing how the pilot got it down okay and they completed the mission.


13 posted on 05/07/2011 1:48:38 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

And nobody heard that? A helo crash and no one called 911?


14 posted on 05/07/2011 1:49:22 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: JerseyHighlander; XHogPilot; lentulusgracchus; mewykwistmas

I have seen hundreds of Blackhawks landing and taking off under various conditions. I have never seen one fail like this. I’m not interested in blaming a pilot or a crew but it seems like something we need to learn from. Knowing our military, I’m sure they are in the process of learning from this; however, I think it’s definitely worth mentioning that this isn’t the first time a helicopter has malfunctioned on a super critical mission like this. As such, it needs to be a topic of discussion IMHO.


15 posted on 05/07/2011 1:54:28 AM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm still listening)
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To: 21twelve

A SEAL could be over a 12ft wall in a second. I’m thinking they may have had company. Interrupted?


16 posted on 05/07/2011 1:54:38 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

The locals heard it and were tweeting and talking about it on Facebook,

here’s a real time twitter report of the raid:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2713452/posts?page=12#12


17 posted on 05/07/2011 1:59:23 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: 240B

Yes - that’s what I was thinking, what with the Pak military base just up the road. Although lob a few grenades over the wall might have helped damage it a bit.

I’ll have to go through that local guy’s tweets again. When he only talked about explosions I figured he was across town and that is why he didn’t hear the 20-minute fire-fight.

Of course now we learn that there never was a “fire-fight”. So maybe this guy WAS fairly close by. I recall he mentioned something about someone shooting down a UFO with an RPG or some such. He was only half-way joking about the “UFO” - he didn’t know if it was a plane, copter, etc. at the time!


18 posted on 05/07/2011 2:04:02 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Thanks
He seems to think it was shot down. But he is just speculating.


19 posted on 05/07/2011 2:25:46 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
[...] Osama bin Laden, took a call from an old friend. Where have you been? inquired the friend. We’ve missed you. What’s going on in your life? And what are you doing now?

Reeeach out! Reach out and touch someone!

Regards,

20 posted on 05/07/2011 2:29:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: 21twelve

Yes just read it and had the same impression.

Also, he said it was a ground shaking window shaking crash. With a military base right up the road, that had to have drawn attention.

How did they last 40mins? That’s a long time in a neighborhood after announcing your presence with a crash. I don’t know?


21 posted on 05/07/2011 2:33:58 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 21twelve

It just doesn’t add up. You know, I’m just going to say this, pulling it out of the air.
From what I have read it seems likely that they got caught and the Pakis let them go. The Pakis figured out what was up but decided not to confront the US.

It could have gone much worse real fast. I’ll bet Obama was on the phone while it was going on trying to keep things calm. JMHO


22 posted on 05/07/2011 2:48:49 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
“This is where you start the movie about the hunt for bin Laden,” said one U.S. official briefed on the intelligence-gathering leading up to the raid on the compound early Monday.

This is pretty much a no brainer and a done deal and I would wager my meager life savings that as we speak, some of Dear Leader's Holly-Weird buds are drafting a film script for the movie.

Moreover, another prognostication which takes little foresight considering how well we've come to know this Admin and its far left sycophants is that this movie will "glorify" the "Gusty" Community Agitator in Least AND, will premier sometimes in Sept/Oct of next year, just in times to help boost the Messiah's advantage by 2 or 3 points which is hugh in a Presidential election.

Last but not least, having worked in USAF Intel (both over and covert) I'm torn about how much info is being disseminated.

I hope it is designed to flush out the Leadership or for some other reason, but otherwise there has from the Get go, wayyyy to much released about this mission as the control freak, moonbats at the WH--who were so determined to milk every drop of glory and credit for O'Bummer--inadvertently (IMHO) leaked info which could benefit our enemies.

23 posted on 05/07/2011 2:57:49 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: 21twelve

“Yes - that’s what I was thinking, what with the Pak military base just up the road. Although lob a few grenades over the wall might have helped damage it a bit.”

Probably didn’t want to waste them (never know what’s on the way back) but the other Blackhwak might have had some missiles to blow this one to pieces


24 posted on 05/07/2011 3:15:52 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Oh, Bob Woodward, he has so much credibility.

snicker


25 posted on 05/07/2011 3:28:04 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: RC one

The morning after the announcement Gen. McCaffrey was on one of the morning shows stating that the helicopter had taken ground fire.


26 posted on 05/07/2011 3:29:12 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Woodward's sanitized, Obama glorifying account squares with the White House Insider, if you just ascribe Valerie Jarret to be a National Security advisor.
27 posted on 05/07/2011 3:51:31 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: NTHockey
That was 30 years ago.

shoot, thirty years ago, I read where a U2 could tell who was on the mound at Dodger stadium.....from 70000 feet...

28 posted on 05/07/2011 4:05:26 AM PDT by sternup
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To: Berlin_Freeper
...and several other pieces of information, other officials said, gave President Obama the confidence to launch a politically risky mission to capture or kill bin Laden...

Too many folks knew about the intelligence, so the political risk was if Obama did NOT launch the mission. It would be Obama's Tora Bora moment.

29 posted on 05/07/2011 4:09:26 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: RC one

It’s possible to get a helicopter hovering close to the ground into a situation where it can’t maintain lift (it’s called vortex ring state) if it’s already descending—basically the blades get into air disturbed from their own downwash and that kills the lift. Pilots are trained to avoid it, but if that aforementioned temperature anomaly caused the Blackhawk (if that’s what it was) to start descending while hovering to fast-rope the team down, maybe that’s what happened. Or it could be something as simple as the helicopter settled and hit an obstruction, or snagged the tail on that high wall. We may never know, at least until the eventual book comes out years down the road.

}:-)4


30 posted on 05/07/2011 4:21:50 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: RC one

It seems to me I read something about the chopper losing lift as it lowered to the compound. I’m not a pilot but it seems it might have had something to do with the compounds walls and the lack of air to the rotors???

A pilot would know.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 4:23:18 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: 240B
How did they last 40mins? That’s a long time in a neighborhood after announcing your presence with a crash

Maybe they brought this guy:


32 posted on 05/07/2011 4:26:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: “We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation."

Typical Obambi mindset: Everything in the country in his. He occasionally "donates" some to the military. Just as he sometimes "pays some of it to the rich" in the form of tax cuts.

33 posted on 05/07/2011 4:31:02 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Too many folks knew about the intelligence, so the political risk was if Obama did NOT launch the mission

Preliminary evidence suggests that Mr. Panetta (who is a representative of Team Clinton) and the national security community may not be entirely happy with Mr. Obama.

I wonder if DEVGRU has a plan for THIS secure compound:


34 posted on 05/07/2011 4:32:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

It is absolutely a crime how they hide the islamic talk.


35 posted on 05/07/2011 4:36:17 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“This is pretty much a no brainer and a done deal and I would wager my meager life savings that as we speak, some of Dear Leader’s Holly-Weird buds are drafting a film script for the movie.”

Yep. With Obama riding around in a tank, waving a machine gun.

And a release date of, say, October, 2012.


36 posted on 05/07/2011 4:37:48 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: Berlin_Freeper
A very informative article. Perhaps too much so.

While i doubt that the terrorists factions involved haven't suspected out full intelligence capabilities for years (their growing body count proves this) I can see no reason for confirming it in print.

Our next serious terrorist target has learned several things to make his life safer. That's isn't a good thing.

As for the SEALs not talking about the mission, that's a mater of self-peservation. They are not only concerned about their and their family's safety from terrorist retribution but also retribution from their own government, the UN, and other august international bodies. Enough said.

37 posted on 05/07/2011 4:44:08 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: SpaceBar

I saw a report where the interview ee said the helicopter got down in the high walled compound and lost lift. The wall height and confined space apparently caused the fall


38 posted on 05/07/2011 5:05:29 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Berlin_Freeper

39 posted on 05/07/2011 5:17:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Navy SEALs: They'll shoot your eyes out.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

What a coincidence B HO releases his birth certificate and people start to find problems with it, and all of a sudden we get U.B.L. and the whole birth certificate story goes away.


40 posted on 05/07/2011 5:22:52 AM PDT by Ouch (Dems Messiah)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I love how some Obamaite wants the “movie” to start in 2010. Not that any of these characters and/or info were secured during the Booosh years.


41 posted on 05/07/2011 5:29:17 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I’m glad the Seals got Obama...but I’m soooo tired of hearing about it.


42 posted on 05/07/2011 5:52:11 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All
In the White House Situation Room on Sunday night, the president and his national security team watched a soundless video feed of the raid.

When bin Laden’s corpse was laid out, one of the Navy SEALs was asked to stretch out next to it to compare heights. The SEAL was 6 feet tall. The body was several inches taller.

After the information was relayed to Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: “We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation. Could we not afford to buy a tape measure?”

So now there IS video. What happened to the 20-25 minute blackout?

43 posted on 05/07/2011 6:50:21 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It is possible that months/weeks of Obama dithering and the resulting fear of discovery of the overall inaction that would reflect negatively on the CIA, the military, and the State Department led the team to push Obama into action.

Woodward's article is filled with half truths that are designed to lead thinking toward Obama bravery rather than his characteristic passivity.

Panetta and Clinton had a lot to lose if Obama was passing on the opportunity.

Wonder if any in the press knew what the CIA knew ten days ago?

44 posted on 05/07/2011 6:57:37 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Wait a mintue. I thought there wasn’t a video feed.

From the article:

“In the White House Situation Room on Sunday night, the president and his national security team watched a soundless video feed of the raid.

When bin Laden’s corpse was laid out, one of the Navy SEALs was asked to stretch out next to it to compare heights. The SEAL was 6 feet tall. The body was several inches taller.

After the information was relayed to Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: “We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation. Could we not afford to buy a tape measure?”


45 posted on 05/07/2011 8:06:27 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Sheesh...there's so many versions of this story, I'm going to wait for the Warren Commission to issue it's report to find out what really didn't happen.
46 posted on 05/07/2011 9:10:23 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Moose4
Watched an ABC 20/20 report on the raid last night. The reporter stated that a “wind vortex” or “air vortex” (can't remember which) caused the helo to lose lift. She also stated that the craft landed OUTSIDE the compound walls. The pilot of the second bird made a last second decision to follow suit and also landed outside. This mean the SEALS had to blast their way through the outer wall.

Other details I had not heard before:

Power and phone service went down in the neighborhood as the raid began.

Inside the compound the SEALS busted a door open and found it a dead end. Animation showed it as being bricked up. They thought it might be booby trapped.

Bin Laden had money sewn into his clothes (read this here today also).

No one thought to bring a tape measure so that's why the SEAL laid down to compare height to Bin Laden.

47 posted on 05/07/2011 10:16:53 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Raebie
Um . . . excuse me . . . but in the middle of a firefight (well maybe there wasn't one), OK, in the middle of invading another country (with half it's Army just up the street) we need to measure the “recently dead”!

Seems to me that if the shooter shot him it was based on a good ID. So tag and bag. When the doc works out the “cause of death” he is supposed to get all those vital signs anyway! s/off

I never could figure out how anyone, and I mean anyone could believe that the moon landings were all a lie and shot on a Hollywood sound lot. After this past week and Team O’s brilliant explanation of what happen, when and to whom, I am beginning to think twice!!

48 posted on 05/07/2011 11:22:54 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport) Don't leave home without it.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"...the air above the compound (because it's hardpacked dirt?) was 15oF warmer than ambient temps all around the area, and the helicopter abruptly lost lift..."

15oF translates to 3% less dense air (not to mention the warmer air probably would have caused an updraft).

Are helicopters that sensitive to air density? Wonder how close it was to its weight limit?

49 posted on 05/08/2011 6:38:19 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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