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San Diego losing another cruise ship
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 6, 2011 | Lori Weisberg

Posted on 05/07/2011 11:35:22 AM PDT by george76

The Holland America liner, the Oosterdam, which makes regular cruises to the Mexican Riviera, will no longer sail out of San Diego after April 2012.Regular voyages to the Mexican Riviera, long a mainstay of San Diego’s cruise ship business, are likely to end by the fall of 2012 with the decision by Holland America to move one of its key liners to Australia.

The cruise line’s 1,926-passenger Oosterdam and the 2,500-passenger Carnival Spirit are the only two vessels that currently head to the Mexican Riviera on a regular basis, and both are now scheduled to leave San Diego after April of 2012. The Spirit as well will be relocated to Australia.

While the fall 2012-2013 schedules for the cruise lines have yet to be finalized, Port of San Diego official Rita Vandergaw acknowledged that for now it appears that San Diego will no longer have regular cruises to the Riviera.

The redeployment of the Oosterdam, which makes seven-day cruises to Mexico, marks the third ship to leave San Diego waters in the wake of a prolonged economic downturn and rising violence in Mexico. The net effect has been a plunge in cruise ship calls, which are an important component of San Diego’s tourism economy.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cruises; economy; hollandamerica; tourism; tourismeconomy
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1 posted on 05/07/2011 11:35:24 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Idiots in the MSM, listen: It’s the port fees. San Diego and California extortion dollars.


2 posted on 05/07/2011 11:37:41 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

“Idiots in the MSM, listen: It’s the port fees. San Diego and California extortion dollars.”

No doubt a contributing factor along with the damned unions, but also the safety factor of going into Mexico has to have some effect on the decision as well.


3 posted on 05/07/2011 11:42:03 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: George from New England
You don't think that the decrease in the number of people going to Mexico has anything to do with this?
4 posted on 05/07/2011 11:42:56 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: George from New England

Yeah the Port fees and the fact that Mexico is not a very healthy place to go on vacation these days.


5 posted on 05/07/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by Pompah
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To: george76

It’s also the Australian economy - 4.9% versus ours.


6 posted on 05/07/2011 11:48:50 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: rockinqsranch

Who needs to travel to Mexico when we have the people and the culture it in every U.S. city now?


7 posted on 05/07/2011 11:53:34 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: george76
which makes regular cruises to the Mexican Riviera...

Mexican Riviera? I can imagine what that is.

Here are one of their casinos.


8 posted on 05/07/2011 11:54:39 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: rockinqsranch

The main one is safety, my nephew goes down there all the time, or did that is, he says it is not safe, he lives in CA and was thinking of buying a retirement home down there.


9 posted on 05/07/2011 11:55:11 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: george76

San Diego triangle.


10 posted on 05/07/2011 11:56:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rockinqsranch
but also the safety factor of going into Mexico has to have some effect on the decision as well.

Absolutely. Cruises were expensive, are expensive and are expected to be expensive. Even if the port fees are $100 per passenger (or $200K per ship) it is still a minor part of the $5,000 that you pay for the cruise. Many people (among those who buy cruises) won't even think twice - it's not a showstopper. They pay 10x more just for airplane tickets to get to the port. It's just money, you can always earn more.

However if upon arrival to a "vacation spot" you can't leave the ship without a personal security detail and in an armored limousine - that's a problem right here. Who wants to be killed or kidnapped on their vacation? If you can't enjoy your vacation it is a showstopper. Mexico is killing its own tourist industry, among others - that's what happens when a weak, corrupt government is played as a fiddle by rich and powerful mafia.

Criminals are not known to care about the country; they will plunder whatever is left of Mexico and then move on, to the newly conquered Northern territories. Instead of marching in as an army, though, they prefer to buy their way in - and we can't do a thing about those "undocumented" "civilians" until it is too late. There is no front in this war, and no uniforms. Politicians will be denying that we are at war until the war is thoroughly lost.

11 posted on 05/07/2011 11:58:25 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: George from New England

If it were the port fees, then why would so many cruise lines continue to sail to the Alaska ports which have by far the highest and most outrageous port fees in the US.

As someone living in CA who has taken several Mexican cruises out of San Diego, I can tell you that I will no longer be taking any cruises to Mexico. One would have to have little regard for one’s life to go anywhere in Mexico these days.


12 posted on 05/07/2011 12:03:44 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: george76

The Mexican tourism folks keep saying that it is not all of the country that is dangerous. “You wouldn’t stay out of Houston if the problem is in New York City, would you?” they say. New York City seems to be safer than all of Mexico. So, yeah, I’d go to NYC.


13 posted on 05/07/2011 12:05:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: george76

My brother and his wife have been to Acapulco and other resorts and they love it. Me? I would rather have a root canal than go anywhere near Mexico.

Now, if someone will only donate some cash to my cruise fund, I would do a Mediterranean cruise again.


14 posted on 05/07/2011 12:06:18 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Would that include Tunisia and Egypt right now?


15 posted on 05/07/2011 12:10:41 PM PDT by rod1
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To: george76

Not a problem as long as the price of drugs in the US stays low. Blow a little weed and that $4 a gallon gas isn’t a big problem.


16 posted on 05/07/2011 12:11:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rod1

LOL

My first and only Mediterranian cruise was from Istanbul to Barcelona, with stops in Greece, Italy, Monaco and Monte Carlo. The cruise pre-dated 9/11, and Turkey wasn’t all that bad back then. People were excited to see us Americans (and our money) and were very good to us. I believe now the cruise only goes as far as Greece. There might also be some stops in former Communist countries like Hungary now as well.

Anyway, I highly recommend a Mediterranean cruise, if you have the bucks. It’s a great adventure.


17 posted on 05/07/2011 12:16:49 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

The East coast of Mexico isn’t bad at all. Cancun is so Americanized now, it’s like going to Key West.


18 posted on 05/07/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: fatnotlazy
Me? I would rather have a root canal than go anywhere near Mexico.

Oddly enough it's where I went for a root canal...

19 posted on 05/07/2011 12:33:36 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 835 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: boop
"The East coast of Mexico isn’t bad at all. Cancun is so Americanized now, it’s like going to Key West."

From Miami, we've sailed to Cancun then to Cozumel for the last two years, and plan to again in a few weeks. It's perfectly safe, especially Cozumel. We have had dozens and dozens of friends do the same the last 6-months, and none experienced any issues whatsoever.

Two years ago, we sailed south to Tortola first, then over to the Caymans and then onto MX. I thought it was much dicier in parts of the Caribbean than it is in the Gulf-side of Mexico.

However, I literally wouldn't go to Acapulco or some of the other western destinations if the trip was free.

20 posted on 05/07/2011 12:46:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Honduras and Dominica ARE dicey. I’ve never seen such poverty. Kids were coming up to us, asking to drink the cans of soda we were already drinking. Imagine wanting to drink a complete stranger’s backwash. Our tour bus broke down when we were in a slum in Venezuela. I was scared poopless.


21 posted on 05/07/2011 12:55:59 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop

I was on a Mexican Riviera cruise on the Carnival Spirit back in March. Prior to departure, all passengers were advised of safety problems at one port, Mazatlan and another port was canceled out right, Ensenada. Carnival tried to make it right with 2 stops at Cabo San Lucas (a smaller Cozumel) and a true crap hole, Manzanillo. Manzanillo reminded me a bit of the movie Blackhawk Down, in that the military was riding around, fully armed, on pick up trucks. As a veteran, I had no problem with them, especially after talking to them but a large number of passengers were frightened. I still had a good time at Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, and La Paz.


22 posted on 05/07/2011 1:31:48 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: George from New England

It ain’t the port fees (which they can pass on for the most part) it is the major fear of the drug cartel violence.
I deal with CCL almost every day and they are very worried about it (them and every other vessel operator).


23 posted on 05/07/2011 1:32:56 PM PDT by stationkeeper
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To: George from New England

It ain’t the port fees (which they can pass on for the most part) it is the major fear of the drug cartel violence.
I deal with CCL almost every day and they are very worried about it (them and every other vessel operator).


24 posted on 05/07/2011 1:33:10 PM PDT by stationkeeper
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To: Greysard
Cruises are not that expensive. I have recently been on cruises on both the Princess and Nordic lines and the rates before alcohol are roughly $100 per day. This is very competitive when you consider that room and board is included. You can easily double that if you drink, but the notion that cruise line customers are price insensitive is ludicrous.
25 posted on 05/07/2011 1:43:34 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: george76

Hi. I am Juan, your cruise director.

26 posted on 05/07/2011 1:52:21 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Greysard

Go to http://www.vacationstogo.com/

They have a 7 day from Long Beach to Mexico for $469.

My wife & I got an 11 day Hawaii cruise several years ago for $599 each through this website.


27 posted on 05/07/2011 1:52:56 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: george76

Good riddance.... We don’t need anymore amusement parks, floating or otherwise.

Not only that, few people left in the private sector have the money to go on cruises...Most of those people are all dying out.


28 posted on 05/07/2011 1:56:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

just curious
are you shorting cruise line stocks?


29 posted on 05/07/2011 2:00:14 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation
Cruise lines are dying in the U.S. as is the tourism industry... Few have money for that BS.

It's what happens when the economy collapses resulting in tens of millions out of jobs, so this shouldn't come as a big surprise.

30 posted on 05/07/2011 2:04:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Greysard

The battle for Los Angeles is already lost. Los Angeles is Mexican teritory in everything but name only.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 2:09:10 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: guido911
in that the military was riding around, fully armed, on pick up trucks.

Government troops, or the local warlord's?

32 posted on 05/07/2011 2:19:09 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: SeaDragon

Ping


33 posted on 05/07/2011 2:24:11 PM PDT by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: george76

Why travel to Mexico?
The U.S.A. is full of beautiful, fun, marvelous things to see and do.


34 posted on 05/07/2011 2:54:59 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Joe Boucher

“The U.S.A. is full of beautiful, marvelous, fun things to do”

Ding! Ding! Ding! Folks, we have a winner!

Full disclosure: my wife and I remembered Acapulco and Cancun when they were cheap, fun, and safe.

BTW, anyone recall the “See America First” campaign?


35 posted on 05/07/2011 3:04:57 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam.)
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To: PAR35

They were Mexican army. They, and the Mexican Navy personnel that were at every port gave me a sense of security. But it also gave me pause that some places are dangerous. Still, these folks would even pose with you for photos.


36 posted on 05/07/2011 3:11:49 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: BwanaNdege

I got an upgrade to the Owner’s Suite, over 900 square feet with a separate living and sleeping area and a deck overlooking Lido for 5K. Wanted to live large once before going back to a way smaller balcony suite at 800/person.


37 posted on 05/07/2011 3:14:41 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: guido911

It Must Be Nice!

Or, as The Great One used to say,

“How Sweet It Is!”

;-)


38 posted on 05/07/2011 3:30:26 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: BwanaNdege

Mark Levin said that?


39 posted on 05/07/2011 3:40:34 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: fatnotlazy
Now, if someone will only donate some cash to my cruise fund, I would do a Mediterranean cruise again.

If you join the Navy, they may send you on one for free. :=)

40 posted on 05/07/2011 3:42:07 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

LOL

I’m too old. :)


41 posted on 05/07/2011 3:54:13 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: guido911

“Mark Levin said that?”

http://www.jackiegleason.com/


42 posted on 05/07/2011 4:03:00 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: Mycroft Holmes; All

“Cruises are not that expensive.”

***

It depends on a number of things — time of year, destination, type of cabin, its location on the ship (outside or inside, top floor or lower deck) and so on. If you go to the Carribean during hurricane season, you might get a really good deal, but the downside is that you might also be evacuated or rerouted if a hurricane hits. Still, I have known some people who have cruised the Carribean during hurricane season and ran into no problems. You can often get some really good last-minute deals which are great if you can pick up and go at a moment’s notice. And you can get a good deal on airline rates from your home to the port.

And particularly if you’re going to do a long cruise — more than a couple of days — they are a bargain in many respects. For example, I love Aruba, but if I were to just fly down there and get a hotel, it would probably cost me more in the long run than if I did a cruise, and with a cruise, I’d get to see some other islands for the same price. The best way to travel, IMHO.


43 posted on 05/07/2011 4:15:39 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Joe Boucher

You’re right. There are a lot of places in the U.S. I haven’t been and hope to get there before I depart this earth.

And I don’t mind traveling through Europe and other countries. I wouldn’t want to live in any of them, but for a visit, many are fine.

True story: Before reserving that Mediterranean cruise, I hesitated because I had the impression that Spain would be something like Mexico. Back then, Mexico already had the reputation for being a hellhole, and I thought if Spain was anything like Mexico, I wasn’t sure I would like Barcelona. A good friend of mine who had been stationed in Germany with the Army many years ago set me straight. He had the opportunity while serving over there to spend some leaves in different European countries, including much of Spain. He said I would love Spain, that there is a big difference between Spain and Mexico. He was right.


44 posted on 05/07/2011 4:20:57 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: RikaStrom
Well horse pucky!

There go our plans for quickie cruises out of SD.

45 posted on 05/07/2011 4:30:14 PM PDT by SeaDragon ("Life is tough ..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: BwanaNdege

I know who coined it. Just a feeble attempt at humor.


46 posted on 05/07/2011 5:09:18 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: All; george76
The new $28 million cruise ship terminal opened December 22, 2010:

Money well spent. /s

47 posted on 05/07/2011 5:12:27 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: guido911

It looks like it went over my feeble head!

Sorry!


48 posted on 05/07/2011 5:20:51 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: BwanaNdege

In Mexico — Ajijic/Lake Chapala, beautiful and safe.


49 posted on 05/07/2011 5:34:32 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Bob

Navy showed me the world back in the late 80s and early 90s.
First Gulf war ended my desire for travel, but I’m glad I
got to go when it was a nicer world.


50 posted on 05/07/2011 5:36:59 PM PDT by jusduat (probably lost)
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