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Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years (9/11/2009)
Dail Mail UK ^ | 9/11/2009

Posted on 05/08/2011 1:45:17 AM PDT by Jim 726

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51 posted on 05/08/2011 8:04:56 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Hardraade; Jim 726; MestaMachine; All
Some strangeness:

The dead guy from the visit in Pakistan last week was reported by one of his wives who is in Paki custody, to be "hale and hardy, no physical problems."

The ObL guy we were tracking in Afghanistan needed dialysis, could barely walk, was deaf, absurdly nearsighted and astigmatic. We knew all of this when he was a mujadehhin leader against the Russkis in A-Stan when it was their problem. We were sorta pals with him then, and his insanely wealthy family company was and probably still is a US Contractor in Saudi Arabia.

Given the extreme density of the bin Ladn gene pool, it is entirely possible that the Osama I died a good while ago, and Osama II, a relative perhaps, was in his place. My ethanol-powered eye (the good one) seems to detect certain slight differences between recent and old photos.

BTW, the DNA check on his sister's brain samples left in Boston, is a really dumb idea, as ObL was one of 75 children by a raft of related mothers who were related to his father. By now there are at least 5000 people who could have "similar" DNA. There should be fingerprints on file in KSA (rotsa ruck!) and we should have taken prints off the corpus delicti before the touching funeral at sea thing. Although I would have pickled the Muslim and put him on display at county fairs in the hog pavilion.

I know Pearl will back me on this, as we have been searching for a new conspiracy ever since the release of the fake BC.

52 posted on 05/08/2011 9:53:21 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Hardraade

Well, that certainly is a video of a guy speaking Arabic. With no translation provided. I’m convinced it is what you say it is, it’s all so believable!!


53 posted on 05/08/2011 10:41:53 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: RDAardvark

Biometrics, numbnuts. Biometrics ;).

Or did you forget your first attack angle, obot??


54 posted on 05/08/2011 11:01:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Dr. Ursus

I dont think it was a myth. Alot of his kidney problem reports were before 9/11 and not something manufactured afterwards. This was widely reported in Europe, that he was indeed in dubai in early july 2001 because he was having complaints with his kidney. In Dubai he met with a couple of members of arab royalty and also met with the CIA station chief, who the journalist reports were trying to bring bin laden back to the US fold. Unknowingly to them it would only be 2 months until 9/11.


55 posted on 05/08/2011 11:03:56 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: Hardraade

Biometrics show that it is indeed the same guy in every video, yes. I don’t know or care what a Krawhatsit is.

If you believe Bin Laden has been dead since ‘05, that means Bush was in on it, 0bot.


56 posted on 05/08/2011 11:14:21 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Hardraade
Which goes completely with the Pak newspaper story I saw.

The Z-man could have been mourning just about anything, or just pretending to be mourning something with the expectation that doing so better cemented his position of leadership. Who knows.

"Some Paki paper says so" doesn't merit a whole lot of consideration from me.

FReegards!


57 posted on 05/08/2011 11:18:02 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Jim 726

This article has prompted me to research a little.

I found one of the post 9/11 interviews with OBL, where he claims he had no knowledge or a hand in planning 9/11 and goes on to speak much like he did in his 1997 interview.

A snippet:

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.”

He goes on to say:

“Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.”

Anyone have any idea if this interview performed by UMMAT KARACHI newspaper is authentic? It appears to be and have checked around the internet. To be quite honest, i dont know what to think, an interesting read nonetheless.


58 posted on 05/08/2011 11:21:05 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: Sprite518

ping


59 posted on 05/08/2011 11:21:30 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: RDAardvark
Biometrics show that it is indeed the same guy in every video

Strange statement from someone who doesn't have a clue what material exists :).

So, I conclude that you indeed don't know what biometrics is. Go away, troll.

60 posted on 05/08/2011 11:34:50 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: hannibaal

Yes, that is an early version. However, in a later interview he says that indeed, he “entrusted the 19 to this raid”.


61 posted on 05/08/2011 11:38:06 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Gumption

I thought OBL had kidney disease and was on dialysis....How come there was no mention of the dialysis machines when the hut was raided...To me this just doesn’t sound right....Different stories everyday and couldn’t come at a better time..0’s numbers sagging....I don’t remember Bush parading around after Saddam was killed....We were told what happened, saw pic’s and that was it....


62 posted on 05/08/2011 11:48:36 AM PDT by geege
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To: Agamemnon

Regardless of all that, we have good data that he was alive after 2001, and that indeed the last good datapoint was in 2004. We have most if not all of the material, both the published stuff and the not-so-published stuff.


63 posted on 05/08/2011 11:49:40 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: ez

You have made an excellent point.


64 posted on 05/08/2011 12:03:05 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: BradyLS

Indeed.


65 posted on 05/08/2011 12:04:11 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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66 posted on 05/08/2011 12:05:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Atomic Vomit

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html

Officials described the reaction of the special operators when they were told a number of weeks ago that they had been chosen to train for the mission.

“They were told, ‘We think we found Osama bin Laden, and your job is to kill him,’” an official recalled.

The SEALs started to cheer.


67 posted on 05/08/2011 12:33:26 PM PDT by ironman
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To: Hardraade
Regardless of all that, we have good data ...

Yet for some reason the Paki paper was the pivotal resourse to which you first made reference?

"Good data," you say?

We have most if not all of the material, both the published stuff...

Yeah, and a stack of Paki papers too, no doubt.

-- sorry, I'm just not buying it.

OBL's been cave plaster since 2001. In the last 10 years sinc, we secured an American presense in Afghanistan and in Iraq, which has divided and in effect neutralized radical Islam stretching from Israel to India, and to the North of that chain of countries has allowed us to co-opt Khazakh's in the air superiority power-projection basing sense.

If the word was confirmed that OBL was dead in 2001, that divide and conquer strategy never would have played out as well as it has.

Kudos to Bush for keeping a lid on it long enough to have the Israelis blow away Saddam's WMDs in Syria, and get all the nuke stuff quietly spirited away to Canada for nutralization and de-commissioning.

Obama on the other hand is using the May 1 event as a rationale for America to disengage from the region -- polishing dismal foreign affairs credentials, pulling out in time for the election and declaring symbollic "victory" without producing any credible evidence for what he supposedly did, he loses the check the US has on Iran's eastern flank, and lets the Paki's remain the thorn in India's side -- exactly as the Chinese creditors would want it to be.

FReegards!


68 posted on 05/08/2011 12:36:03 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
Yeah, and a stack of Paki papers too, no doubt.

Lol. No, just the multimedia material. Last good datapoint with OBL was in connection with the last Bush election. After that it went downhill, with first actual vids full of splices and other shenanigans, when those were picked apart they started doing tapes with just a still and sound, still full of splices, until they finally gave up altogether.

All that is pretty much nailed down, and not just by us. Sorry ;).

69 posted on 05/08/2011 12:51:04 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Thermalseeker
He was supposed to have had kidney failure and been on dialysis 8-9 years ago.

According to whom? As I recall that was an unconfirmed though popular tale from an anonymous source in the Middle East. A very similar claim was made about Saddam Hussein- that he was terribly ill, etc. I think in his case the claim was that he had cancer. Not so long ago people were claiming Barack Hussein a/k/a President Flustercluck was also suffering from some illness, in addition to the other stories making a big giant deal about a scar on his head.

I always figured those stories were just efforts by their rivals or opponents to make these leaders look weak, perhaps hoping to lower the morale of their followers or undermine their authority in the eyes of their respective fans.

70 posted on 05/08/2011 1:46:40 PM PDT by piasa
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To: dmam2011

Agree it’s frightening what he says and makes me sick to my gut to think about it.


71 posted on 05/08/2011 6:28:06 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: RDAardvark

Well he is one of the most highly respected top government officials that works behind the scenes. The military, the CIA and 5 U.S. Presidents. I’m sure you know better though......(sarcasm off)


72 posted on 05/08/2011 6:40:00 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: ironman
Un-named "officials" are the source you rely on.

The article you link provides no sourcing, simply "officials".

This is called setting the narrative. The government/media complex has been doing that all week. You've taken the bait.

So you take everything un-named "officials" are said to have said as truth. Sheesh.

When considering any part of this obamma/osamma story you have to keep three things foremost in your mind and then process the flood of (dis)information which has followed.

The three things not to be forgotten:

1.- They say they shot him in the face.

2.-They say they then dumped the body in to the ocean.

3.- They refuse to release the photos.

These 3 crucial facts make everything "officials" have told journalist mouthpieces nothing but disinformation.

This is how Pravda worked. Don't nod stupidly because a shill claims an "official" said it. Don't be a dupe.

Shot him in the face. Dumped him at sea. No photos. Why has your BS meter stopped working?

The guy in the 5 silent movies "officials" just released doesn't have the same face or hands as the last time the live OBL made a video prior to Tora Bora 12/01. Compare and see for yourself.

"Officials" lie. Here's just one you may recognize: "Islam is a religion of peace."

AV

73 posted on 05/08/2011 8:49:03 PM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: ironman

Yeah I agree. Don’t trust “officials” with specific claims. Trust vague assertions that “hands don’t match”, take those right at face value. That’s much more intelligent.


74 posted on 05/09/2011 12:27:56 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: piasa
According to whom?

I've heard the statement made by at least two Secretaries of Defense, John Bolton when he was UN Ambassador, several Whitehouse Press Secretaries, and virtually every major media outlet. If you have information that is contrary you might want to contact them rather than trying to discredit me.

75 posted on 05/09/2011 5:19:23 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Atomic Vomit

“These 3 crucial facts make everything “officials” have told journalist mouthpieces nothing but disinformation.”

Everything disinformation? Take off your tinfoil hat. He’s dead.


76 posted on 05/09/2011 6:36:39 AM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman
Of course he's dead.

He's been dead since we got him 12/01 at Tora Bora.

Compare his appearance in the last live video of him taken late '01 to the OBL Zombie who began to appear in the videos which began to appear every so often during the following years. His hands were long and graceful- then they shortened and thickened! His eyebrows had a pronounced arch and taper but they became thick and squared! And his nose widened and thickened up.

The OBL zombie v1.2 that appeared just prior to the '04 election became known as "Fat nose OBL". If you remember, the democratz all screamed that the video was phony.

Many of the vids/audios that appeared during OBL's long absence were plainly fraudulent- tapes edited piecemeal, old vids scrambled, the voice track out of sync w/lip movements.

"Oh yeah, Deather?" you sneer, "Why would Bush support those lies, huh?"...... Because Bush knew that if OBL were thought dead by opponents of our efforts to kill jihadis where they breed (A thing I wholeheartedly support!) those opponents (democratz) would successfully campaign for us to stop killing jihadis.

You are reading the news today. This has already begun. Now that obamma has "killed" osamma the global retreat is on.

You do recognize that, right?

Reconsider what you "know". What's going on today reminds me of one of my favorite Reagan quotes, "It's not that liberals don't know anything, it's just that so much of what they know is wrong!"

No, I'm not calling you a liberal! I'm saying that much of what you know about this is incorrect.

The obl of the avalanche of media narrative you are incuriously absorbing is not the guy buried under 1000' of collapsed mountainside in Tora Bora after our bunker busters and daisy cutters flattened the last place he was seen alive.

You know how much media lies. We wisely distrust much of what the media/government complex puts out. Why do we accept the story line they are going full court press on in this case? Because it's something we want to be true.

He's dead. He's been dead for almost ten years. Pay attention. Turn off your TV. Why do you think they call it "programming"?

AV

77 posted on 05/09/2011 7:13:38 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: ironman
It's sort of a waste for me to devote this much explanation to you here at the finish of a dead thread.

I do so only because you are a fellow freeper and thus worthy by dint of the assumption that as a freeper you have an open mind.

AV

78 posted on 05/09/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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