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North America Settled by Just 70 People, Study Concludes
Live Science ^ | May, 25, 2005 | Jody Hey

Posted on 05/08/2011 7:55:52 AM PDT by wildbill

A new study of DNA suggests North America was originally populated by just a few dozen people who crossed a land bridge from Asia during the last Ice Age.

About 14,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering land bridge from Siberia to North America, most experts agree. But just how many intrepid explorers were involved in spawning subsequent populations has not been known.

"The estimated effective size of the founding population for the New World is about 70 individuals," said Jody Hey, a professor of genetics at Rutgers University.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ancientamericans; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; population; settlement
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Folks, I conclude that these 70 individuals were world-class sexual athletes to produce the millions of Amerinds who sprang from their loins.
1 posted on 05/08/2011 7:55:58 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill

They were the first. I believe there were others.


2 posted on 05/08/2011 8:00:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: wildbill

Wow. 70 people “settled” an entire continent? Talk about elbow room.


3 posted on 05/08/2011 8:03:22 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wildbill
How did they know where North America stopped and South America began?

Oh, yeah. Garmin.

4 posted on 05/08/2011 8:04:15 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wildbill

You are right...They even got as far as the tip of South America in a few short years.

Amazing stuff...I mean crap!!!!

Are our tax dollars being used for this “study”?


5 posted on 05/08/2011 8:04:42 AM PDT by Gat˙n(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: wildbill

Not all of us are willing to assume that the western hemisphere was settled once from Asia alone.


6 posted on 05/08/2011 8:06:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: blueunicorn6

The geneticist’s study says there are only 70 separate DNA strains in the bloodlines of all AMerinds.

If some folks can believe that everyone is descended from only two people, I don’t see why a scientific finding of 70 DNA lines in N. America isn’t possible.


7 posted on 05/08/2011 8:06:57 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Gat├║n(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It’s probably reasonably accurate. It take as little as 400 years to fill the continent.


8 posted on 05/08/2011 8:11:01 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SunkenCiv
ping
9 posted on 05/08/2011 8:11:55 AM PDT by kitchen (Over-gunned is better than the alternative. - E. Keith)
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To: blueunicorn6

Agreed... some of the East Coast indians suggest European ancestory. The Cherokee language is actually very similar to Greek and some ancient Hebrew artifacts have been found in obscure places like Oklahoma... I do believe some Asiana came across the land bridge as suggested, but do not believe Lied Ericson was the next to make it here.


10 posted on 05/08/2011 8:12:54 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wildbill

Hey Prof...who settled Tierra del Fuego about the same time? Hmmm? .


11 posted on 05/08/2011 8:12:59 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: wolfman23601

Oops, Lief Ericson. Darn autocorrect...


12 posted on 05/08/2011 8:13:52 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wildbill

Jody Hey here seems to assume the originals were Asian rather than Michael Collins hypothesis of European origins.


13 posted on 05/08/2011 8:15:45 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: wildbill

Law of exponents ensures that people reproduce quickly.

If it was 70 people, half of them women, and each woman averaged 5 kids who could make it to adulthood, of which about half were female,..., it would only take about 500 years to go from 70 people to 50 million people.


14 posted on 05/08/2011 8:15:49 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Texas Eagle

Do we have to “give it back”?

Midnight Oil - Beds are Burning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BbpGKLXqk


15 posted on 05/08/2011 8:16:16 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: wildbill

Invasive species don’t usually need to do much but what they normally do - and the cold calculus expands them exponentially over the new territory.

But yes, good times, no competition from the #1 competition humans have faced throughout their time on Earth - other humans.


16 posted on 05/08/2011 8:18:12 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: wildbill

¿Hay sólo tres carros?


17 posted on 05/08/2011 8:19:13 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: wildbill

Have the “Experts” ever been wrong yet?

/sarcasm


18 posted on 05/08/2011 8:20:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after SHTF.)
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To: Jonty30

What percentage of women were able to have 5 kids survive into adulthood 20,000 years ago without the benefit of modern medicine. As recently as Medieval Europe as many as half of childbirths resulted in death of the mother, not to mention the frequency in which the child itself died.


19 posted on 05/08/2011 8:21:54 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Heh, heh.

Can you imagine what the South Americans are thinking?

"D'oh! And all we had to do was swim across some stupid canal!"

20 posted on 05/08/2011 8:23:21 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Jonty30

Depends on how slow you were at climbing the tree in those days.


21 posted on 05/08/2011 8:26:53 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: jjotto
Assumes based upon the genetic evidence that the origins of Amerindians was Asian not European.
22 posted on 05/08/2011 8:28:01 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: wolfman23601

Probably fifty fifty, have five kids and live to the ripe old age of 35:


23 posted on 05/08/2011 8:29:03 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Texas Eagle

You’d have been able to get a good spot at Times Square for Dick Clark’s Rocking New Years Eve.


24 posted on 05/08/2011 8:32:16 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: wolfman23601

Certainly a higher percentage than Medieval Europe. The middle ages had problems with sanitation and food. People coming into a new continent wouldn’t have problems with either.


25 posted on 05/08/2011 8:32:29 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Larry Lucido

Well, yeah, but can you imagine cleaning up all that mess by yourself?


26 posted on 05/08/2011 8:35:17 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wildbill
But just how many intrepid explorers were involved in spawning subsequent populations has not been known.

Oh, great. How much is it going to cost to figure that out?

27 posted on 05/08/2011 8:37:26 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wildbill
So what about the study that says that the Cherokee had DNA form Hebrews, Greek and Phoenicians? How does Erik the Red fit in? How about the Vikings. How did the ancient Irish writing get in caves along the Mississippi? It seems they left a bunch of people out.
28 posted on 05/08/2011 8:41:41 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: wolfman23601
What percentage of women were able to have 5 kids survive into adulthood 20,000 years ago without the benefit of modern medicine

Maybe a lot of these women were really, really promiscuous.
"Hey, caveman, looking for a good time?"
29 posted on 05/08/2011 8:41:44 AM PDT by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: wolfman23601

When I say that, if they had 5 kids, that is net. That is including the many that would die as a fetus or prior to age 5.

However, even if you knock it down to 3 kids, it would still only take a little more than 1,000 years to do that exact same thing.

My point is that the bulk of the story is probably correct. Mathematically speaking, 70 people is a reasonable starting point for a population to start from.


30 posted on 05/08/2011 8:43:51 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

There might have been a lot more octo-moms back then, too.


31 posted on 05/08/2011 8:47:24 AM PDT by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: wildbill
On second thought this title is really misleading. 14,000 years ago the people were nomads not settlers. My ancestors were settlers. Someone possibly wandering through a place does not mean much otherwise the moon would be ours.
32 posted on 05/08/2011 8:48:26 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: wildbill

According to my data, there were 71.


33 posted on 05/08/2011 8:48:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Yeah, but the last one was gay.


34 posted on 05/08/2011 8:52:02 AM PDT by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: wildbill

I have never done any real study of the subject but American, both North and South, Indians vary as much as other races do from each other.

I have seen pictures of Peruvians who look like they could have just been transported from China. Another group from Mexico and South, look just like the stone carvings on Aztec buildings. Hugo Chavez is a good example of them.

North American Plains Indians look like the image on the buffalo nickel and unlike any other race that I know of.

Although they were probably diluted by Scotch Irish to a great degree, Cherokee tend to look a little like Peruvian Indians except they are larger and much handsomer.


35 posted on 05/08/2011 8:53:00 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Jonty30

I agree, but it still discounts the Cherokee-Greek connection. I think there is in incredible story there.


36 posted on 05/08/2011 8:57:56 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

How about the Cherokee-Hebrew connection?

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2005/08/the_trail_of_te_1.html


37 posted on 05/08/2011 9:05:04 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cripplecreek

Not even hardly...


38 posted on 05/08/2011 9:19:17 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: wildbill
The geneticist’s study says there are only 70 separate DNA strains in the bloodlines of all AMerinds.

I don't see how they can conclude 70 individuals as opposed to 70 families or even tribes.

39 posted on 05/08/2011 9:19:49 AM PDT by maryz
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To: wildbill

Whole lot of knowing and begatting bump...


40 posted on 05/08/2011 9:22:30 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: wildbill

March 24, 2011
Discovery in Texas suggests earlier settlers in North America
By Randolph E. Schmid Associated Press
WASHINGTON — The discovery of ancient stone tools at an archaeological dig in Texas could push back the presence of humans in North America, perhaps by as much as 2,500 years.
Thousands of artifacts dating to between 13,200 and 15,500 years ago were uncovered by researchers led by Michael R. Waters of Texas A&M University. They report the discovery in Friday’s edition of the journal Science.
The find was located 5 feet below materials left by the well-known Clovis culture, which was once thought to have been the first American settlers around 13,000 years ago.

http://dailyitem.com/0100_news/x1796603766/Discovery-in-Texas-suggests-earlier-settlers-in-North-America


41 posted on 05/08/2011 9:30:59 AM PDT by B212
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To: wildbill

I take it that there are no Native Americans then?

Just an argument over when everyone got here.


42 posted on 05/08/2011 9:37:49 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: maryz

Wait a week and the stories will change. I have been reading a bout this stuff since I was 15, 50 years, and I have come to the conclusion that they haven’t a clue.


43 posted on 05/08/2011 9:44:46 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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44 posted on 05/08/2011 9:50:05 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Krankor

Biologists have shown that the rate of reproduction of any species is inversely proportional to it’s rate of survival. This is why the birthrates are so in the West and so much higher in the Middle East.


45 posted on 05/08/2011 10:01:26 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: wolfman23601

There is a lot about our history that we will never know about in this life.

It will be a gift from God when we shall see the true history of mankind and the paths our ancestors took prior to our individual existence.


46 posted on 05/08/2011 10:06:02 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: wolfman23601
I do believe some Asiana came across the land bridge as suggested, but do not believe Lied Ericson was the next to make it here.

There is proof that Chinese came to the west coast of North America in the late 6th century, and co-mingled with the native Americans. Historical Chinese records write of boat travelers trading with the Americans in the far lands now known as Mexico, and document plants that only grow in America. Also verbal records of some Americans correlate to the Chinese records. I studied this over forty years ago, was controversial back then because Columbus was "supposed" to be the first.

47 posted on 05/08/2011 10:08:33 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: wildbill

I guess they excluded the olmecs and those others who came by boat


48 posted on 05/08/2011 10:10:45 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: roadcat

Columbus was recognized as the first “Government” to reach the new world. To think he was the first anything else is ridiculous.


49 posted on 05/08/2011 10:13:01 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: org.whodat
I used to think that until I started researching Mrs. Mad’s and my genealogy. There are many relatives in both our families that lived well into their 60’s in the 15th century. Actually I was shocked at how many. Seems if you made it out of childhood your chances were pretty good.
50 posted on 05/08/2011 10:16:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Ladies and Gentlemen the _resident of the untied States!!)
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