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To: caww

Reply to MrEDD and possibly all other learned individuals..


I have to clarify one very imporant aspect of the Soviet Union-Afghanistani war. The intent of the Soviet Union to be in Afghanistan was to prop up a Soviet Union proxy satellite regime. The “puppet” left-wing regime would take power in Kabul sometime during the middle 1970s. The Soviets, naturally we send in invasionary forces to “secure” and see to it, the regime would be protected and safeguarded when the populous of Afghanistan by a majority became tired and fed up with the “stoolie” regime which was installed at the time.

The Soviet Union being landlocked with no real ports free of ice during the late fall and wintertime months, additionally needed and desired a warm weather; free from ice and snow areas of shipping. The Persian Gulf area would serve this much needed want and desire.

The Siberian and Arctic Seas to the north of the Russian Federation is noted for heaqvy ice, snow so the Russian Federation is landlocked during the wintertime months, basically. The shipping port of
Vladivostok, Russian Federation would be the closest “ice free” shipping port when it would come to the wintertime. The port is nearest the Sea of Japan. But still the
Vladivostok port receives a good share of ice and snow. Not as much as the nortorious Siberian/Arctic Seas of the northern Russian Federation.

More importantly, the Soviet Union also wanted and desired access to the world oil supply at the time. What better way would there be but to invade and protect a Soviet style regime in Afghanistan and influence their way southward to the warm weather, seaport, oil enriched areas of Iraq, southern Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and all Arabic shiekdoms noted for enriched oil and oil exploration.

Further information from Wikipedia is extensive and long concerning the former Soviet Union experience in Afghanistan during the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s. Wikipedia neglects to mention the Russian Federation (Soviet Union) desire for a warm weather port and oil takeover over the middle east/Persian Gulf area.

Wikipedia documentation of the Soviet Union/Afghanistani war of the 1970s and 1980s.. I had to do some correcting and clarification as this is the way I am on many things of this nature..


10 posted on 05/08/2011 8:10:05 PM PDT by Red Barr (The liberals cant get over our victory!)
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To: Red Barr

Added thesis and thought..

The Russian Federation and the Soviet Union would be identical. The other “republics” of the Soviet Union would make up the rest of the empire..


Estonia SSR
Lithuania SSR
Latvia SSR
Georgian SSR
Ukraine SSR
Uzbeckistan SSR
Tajakistan SSR

This does not complete the complete list of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

12 posted on 05/08/2011 8:16:02 PM PDT by Red Barr (The liberals cant get over our victory!)
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To: Red Barr

During the year leading into the cold and mostly during the former “cold war”.


The terminology of “client states” and geo-political alliances and political/geographical pacts and political “protection” friendships..


Warsaw Pact Countries of Eastern Europe
Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, German Democrat Republic, Romania for a duration of time. Romania would break from the Warsaw Pact later on.


India.... India would have a duel alliance as a “client state”. India hostile toward the People’s Republic of China and Pakistan. East Pakistan (Bangladesh) would be oriented toward India and the former Soviet Union.
North Vietnam
North Korea would swing mostly toward to the Soviet Union and some “client-state status with the People’s Republic of China.
Mongolian People’s Republic

North America..


Cambodia 1975-1979
Laos... Laos would swing alliance status from the People’s Republic of China to the Soviet Union.
North Korea.. (somewhat)



Western Europe... NATO
Romania would become more open to the United States during the middle 1960s even though Romania was a communist dictatorship. This minor alliance was for mutual trade between the United States and Romania.
Yugoslavia; a communist country under Joseph Tito would clash with the Soviet Union. Breakage of the communist relationship with the Soviet Union would mostly occur during the 1950s. Yugoslavia became more open to the United States; thereafter.

Republic of South Vietnam
South Korea
Taiwan (Republic of China)
The Philippines
South-East Treaty Organization

North America

Again, these would be alliances of some circumstances.

Note: West Pakistan became so-named Pakistan approximate time of 1971. Pakistan has a long term alliance with the Chinese People’s Republic. Currently, Pakistan and India are in dispute over territory inbetween Pakistan and India so named as Kashmir providence..

16 posted on 05/08/2011 8:55:07 PM PDT by Red Barr (The liberals cant get over our victory!)
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For a few years I’ve been watching Russia and China’s relationship with the ME. Not close enough to write at length about but certainly enough to know their cuddling up with each other, as well as with the ME, gives concern.

IMO Both China and Russia have dibs on the ME oil...and they are going to ‘play’ the Moslems to get it....I think in time we will see them bringing ISrael into the fray and barter her....If the Moslems knew Israel would be a non-issue for them they’d likely agree to just about anything Russia or China would require in return.

17 posted on 05/08/2011 8:58:07 PM PDT by caww
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