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Northwest wind power to double but inconsistency creates grid nightmare
Tribune Regional News-The Oregonian, Portland ^ | McClatchy-Ted Sickinger

Posted on 05/08/2011 11:33:23 PM PDT by Rabin

Lawmakers in Oregon, Washington, Montana and California set the table by establishing aggressive mandates for renewable power that "ratchet higher" over the next 15 years. Oregon's large utilities are required "mandated" at rate payer expense" to serve 5 percent of their demand with "renewable" this year, increasing to 25 percent by 2025. California's standard is 33 percent by 2020, and Washington's is 15 percent by 2020.

(Excerpt) Read more at energycentral.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: blowhards; greenieweenies; nightmare; powergrid; windpower
Propaganda? Blatant Propaganda? Neither, just bits of of honest conviction and intent, provided by then candidate 0, "energy prices will by necessity, sky rocket".

One can but wonders if there is any environmental analysis of the: now, going forward & long term, planetary impact incumbent upon fabrication and implementation of the machine for sucking all usable wind off the face of the earth.

Raben

1 posted on 05/08/2011 11:33:25 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Rabin

What about the climate change implications of such a wind harvesting machine?


2 posted on 05/08/2011 11:34:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Since they are renewable energy source. When we chop them down do they grow back?


3 posted on 05/08/2011 11:54:59 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

If they can chop tornadoes down to feed the electric grid, it’s pretty sure there will be more where they came from.


4 posted on 05/09/2011 12:08:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Rabin

I suppose the mandated part will come to Washington. On a recent bill we had the “option” of having at least 10% or somesuch of our electricity be provided by wind power if we wanted to. At an additional cost of $6 a month or something.

It was a good learning experience for my kids. Pay extra to “feel good about yourself”. (They all agreed it wasn’t worth it!) And how are they going to make sure OUR house has %10 windpower while the neighbor doesn’t if he didn’t pay the extra. And, hey Kids - most of our electicity here in Washington is ALREADY from renewable energy - hydroelectric! (Idiots!)

And just last week I took a scenic backroad through the mountains that I hadn’t been on in awhile. It’s all ugly, gigantic windmills now. :( Actually, on their own the windmills are quite the engineering marvel! It’s just when they cover the landscape and for no real purpose that makes them ugly.


5 posted on 05/09/2011 12:21:07 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve
On a recent bill we had the “option” of having at least 10% or somesuch of our electricity

It's good that you voted against that, but enough morons will vote for it that you will be stuck with it. In Virginia, there is no wind so we get hit with solar instead (which costs at least double the normal power). But instead of allowing voting on the electric bill, the solar scam artists forced the town near me to buy the power (the word forced is appropriate since one of the scam artists is a felon who would literally break arms if he had to).

Because of the rubes on that town council voting for it, the rest of us in the county will eventually be forced to use it, plus immediately pay more for the regular power since it will now require spinning reserve (the gas generator burns gas to keep the boilers hot, but produces no power with it because they have to have it ready to switch in when the clouds cover the solar farm).

6 posted on 05/09/2011 2:40:58 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What about the climate change implications of such a wind harvesting machine?

Not good...

Big acreage wind farms in China have affected local weather...

basically lower rainfall

so lower crop production.

7 posted on 05/09/2011 2:41:49 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: palmer

One night, we were eating dinner with our son and his family. Our ten year old grandson was typically bored and not paying attention to the conversation. Then someone mentioned “windmills”! At the very word, he perked up and enthusiastically said, “Windmills? I love windmills!”! Pure indoctrination!


8 posted on 05/09/2011 2:48:22 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, Sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "Ma'am"!)
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To: palmer

Oh. I meant “bill” as in our electric bill!

Yep!! “Would you like to pay $6.00 more to guarantee that at least 10% of your energy is from renewable Wind or Solar Power. If so, check the box below and add $6.00 to your check. Future invoices will include the $6.00 renewable energy rate.”

But yes, I’m sure it will become mandatory at some point. And as I said, we already use renewable and clean hydroelectric power for most of the state.


9 posted on 05/09/2011 3:45:06 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

At the very word, he perked up and enthusiastically said, “Windmills? I love windmills!”! Pure indoctrination!

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Hopefully at the age of ten he can be untrained. My kids are pretty well in tune with what is B.S. put out by the schools. Most things environmental, sex, and politics. And math. Science too (global warming).

Heck, they probably get a better education by being wary of what they are getting taught. And then asking questions and doing their own research.

And a windmill up close is a pretty awesome piece of engineering. But also a pity to see it wasted like that.


10 posted on 05/09/2011 3:51:58 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve

Ah, I should have clarified my post. The podunk town near me full of ignorant rubes that just bought the “solar power” also runs their own electricity company. The do paperwork, decide how to run it, but contract out the real work to AMP, a large Ohio based scam of a company that specializes in ripping off ignorant towns. So the electric bill in this case comes from the municipality (along with the tax bill which funds the same useless people that screw up the electric service).


11 posted on 05/09/2011 4:20:32 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Rabin

Unreliable works fine in 3rd world countries....We’re getting there thanks to Obama.


12 posted on 05/09/2011 4:24:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Rabin

They should locate windmills close to D.C., where there is a constant supply of hot air.


13 posted on 05/09/2011 5:03:12 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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Anyone keeping count of the Bald Eagles and other protected species that the windmills kill?

Probably not the two faced hypocrites of the political Left.


14 posted on 05/09/2011 5:42:41 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Rocky

They can’t — the failure rate is too high. You see, everything in D.C. has a screw loose.


15 posted on 05/09/2011 6:08:59 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Rabin

Why don’t they just “mandate” the invention of am eco-friendly, continuous, cheap to build and operate source of electricity? /S


16 posted on 05/09/2011 6:45:16 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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