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Navy Will Perform Same-Sex Marriages
Mother Jones ^ | May 9th 2011 | Adam Weinstein

Posted on 05/09/2011 2:37:20 PM PDT by YankeeReb

The military establishment, it appears, is willing to drag congressional Republicans kicking and screaming into the post-Don't Ask, Don't Tell era. The US Navy has authorized its chaplains to perform same-sex marriages on military bases in states that legally recognize such unions. That news came in a memo from the service's head chaplain (PDF), dated April 13:

Consistent with the tenets of his or her religious organization, a chaplain may officiate a same-sex, civil marriage: if it is conducted in accordance with a state that permits same-sex marriage or union; and if that chaplain is, according to the applicable state and local laws, otherwise fully certified to officiate that state’s marriages...if the base is located in a state where same-sex marriage is legal, then base facilities may normally be used to celebrate the marriage. This is true for purely religious services (e.g., a chaplain blessing a union) or a traditional wedding (e.g., a chaplain both blessing and conducting the ceremony).

The policy's unlikely to have a significant impact on gay or military communities: There's no naval base, for example, in Iowa, one of five states (along with the District of Columbia) that recognize same-sex marriages. And until the DADT repeal is certified by the Pentagon, no service members are likely to be hitching up at the Washington Navy Yard. Not only that, chaplains who disagree with gay marriage on theological grounds are under no obligation to perform the ceremonies, which shrinks the pool of willing wedding officiators to virtually nil.

But there's symbolic power in the policy change—enough to get a rise out of social conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chaplain; homosexualagenda; military; motherjones; obamapolicies; samesexmarriage; usnavy

Between this nonsense and the new policy allowing women to serve on subs, it ALMOST seems like this regime is out to destroy the military ... hmmmm

1 posted on 05/09/2011 2:37:24 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

Repeated.....a fun thread a few down the listing. Good for those who were unable to see the first one though.


2 posted on 05/09/2011 2:38:28 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: YankeeReb

Is this really the America we want?


3 posted on 05/09/2011 2:40:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No and one day something will snap.


4 posted on 05/09/2011 2:41:49 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Releasing the photos is a "GUTSY CALL"............)
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To: napscoordinator
a fun thread a few down the listing.

I don't see your point in describing any thread like this as fun.... What is your point?

5 posted on 05/09/2011 2:42:07 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Is this really the America we want?

And when a real secession movement starts "they" will wonder why. TIme to unhitch from this twisted wagon.

6 posted on 05/09/2011 2:43:44 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: napscoordinator
Kind of reinforces what we in real military units thought about the Navy,
7 posted on 05/09/2011 2:44:08 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: YankeeReb

pass the barf bag...


8 posted on 05/09/2011 2:45:30 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: napscoordinator

Sorry, did a search and it didn’t come up....my bad.


9 posted on 05/09/2011 2:46:02 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

No biggie. It needs to be known by everyone here. It is tragic what is happening.


10 posted on 05/09/2011 2:46:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: YankeeReb
Well, this is the Navy, after all. Cabin boys and midshipmen, and all that. Reminds me of a humorous little poem by the great T.S. Eliot:

As we were putting out to sea,
We spied a German warship.
The Captain paced the quarter-deck,
Parading in his corset.
"What ho!" we cried, "We'll sink your ship!"
And so we up and sinked her,
But the cabin boy was saved alive,
And buggered in the sphincter.

11 posted on 05/09/2011 2:47:37 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Little Bill

Cute. Suggest you mention that to the next SEAL you run across, stud.


12 posted on 05/09/2011 2:48:56 PM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: All

Click The Pic

13 posted on 05/09/2011 2:52:55 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: tgusa
I know a couple of retirees, might agree with me.
14 posted on 05/09/2011 2:54:23 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: tgusa

There have always been gays in the military, and there always WILL be gays in the military, but the smart ones have always kept it quiet.

Warships are dangerous places at the best of times. Bad things can happen if you’re not careful. Bad things HAVE happened to gay sailors who got too frisky or friendly with hard-nosed straight squids.

I really don’t see that changing much. Although I could be wrong.


15 posted on 05/09/2011 2:54:37 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: YankeeReb

Hussein’s destruction of America continues.


16 posted on 05/09/2011 2:58:51 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Ronin
Although I could be wrong.

Wrong, very wrong.

17 posted on 05/09/2011 2:59:35 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Click To Donate To FR!
Click The Pic To Donate!

18 posted on 05/09/2011 3:00:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: YankeeReb
What was it that Churchill once famously said about the traditions of the navy? "Rum, sodomy and the lash" is the phrase that comes to mind...

I think there are some US cities that offer one-stop shopping.

19 posted on 05/09/2011 3:00:39 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: YankeeReb

Well, it’s the Navy: “rum, sodomy and the lash” you know.


20 posted on 05/09/2011 3:02:54 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Oberon

Great minds....


21 posted on 05/09/2011 3:04:03 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut

This really isn’t a joking matter.


22 posted on 05/09/2011 3:08:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Grut

This really isn’t a joking matter.


23 posted on 05/09/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: YankeeReb

No a good thing. Not saying the Big Guy Upstairs will let a hypersonic whiz missile take out a Nimitz-class on account of it, but why BE IDIOTIC?

Homosexuality is bad for morale because it’s immoral. It’s like allowing animal abusers. A lot of animal abusers are discrete about it. Not not bestiality. Just abuse of animals. They do it in private. In fact the animals often assent to it, they get a sort of masochistic pleasure from it. At least someone might argue that, and once so argued who could deny it? Pets love their humans. Should the Navy allow discrete private cock-fighting and dog-fighting clubs? Why not?


24 posted on 05/09/2011 3:09:55 PM PDT by bvw
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To: YankeeReb
The slippery slope back to buggery. I thought we left that behind with the Royal Navy.

no puns intended. ewwwwwwwwwww

25 posted on 05/09/2011 3:10:00 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I asked the bartender for a bin Ladin, she said 'what's that? I said 'two shots then a splash.')
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To: YankeeReb

“....it ALMOST seems like this regime is out to destroy the military...”

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ALMOST?


26 posted on 05/09/2011 3:10:13 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: YankeeReb

Another nail in the coffin of America.


27 posted on 05/09/2011 3:29:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: YankeeReb

Federal govt should not allow chaplains to do this.

The states these people reside in most likely will not recognize it.

I know Obama wants these court cases to occur.

FUBO


28 posted on 05/09/2011 3:30:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: YankeeReb

If a couple of sodomite sailors want to get hitched at a Naval base in Marxistchusetts, and there are only a couple of chaplains there, and who are NOT inclined to do so, count on them being COMPELLED to perform the perverse charade. You can take that to the bank.


29 posted on 05/09/2011 3:35:22 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Ronin
There have always been gays in the military, and there always WILL be gays in the military, but the smart ones have always kept it quiet.

No, there haven't. The quiet ones aren't "gays," they're "homosexuals."

There is a huge difference, and if homo-leftists insist on redefining the language for us, we can at least direct this redefining into a rational realm. "Gay" describes homosexuals who are proud of their perversion, embrace it, and expect everyone around them to just giggle with glee over it with them as well.

There are many who suffer from homosexual urges who don't meet this definition.

And you are wrong about bad things happening to "gays" if the full implementation goes through. They will be untouchable. Even a hint of disapproval will be a career ender.

30 posted on 05/09/2011 3:43:07 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: YankeeReb

Ahhhh

Now when the swabbies transfer, they won’t have to leave their buddies behind


31 posted on 05/09/2011 3:43:41 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: napscoordinator

Great; now we have the U.S. Military joining the “Cornholers ‘R Us” gang.....


32 posted on 05/09/2011 3:55:24 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: silverleaf

“they won’t have to leave their buddies behind”

The rear guard...as it were.


33 posted on 05/09/2011 4:02:12 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: YankeeReb

I’m glad my dad (USN retiree) is not around to see this obscene nonsense.


34 posted on 05/09/2011 4:04:14 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Ronin
Bad things HAVE happened to gay sailors who got too frisky or friendly with hard-nosed straight squids.

Only now it will be the straight squid who will get in trouble.

35 posted on 05/09/2011 4:06:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: fwdude
There is a huge difference, and if homo-leftists insist on redefining the language for us, we can at least direct this redefining into a rational realm. "Gay" describes homosexuals who are proud of their perversion, embrace it, and expect everyone around them to just giggle with glee over it with them as well.

I hadn't quite thought of it that way, but I'll grant your point.

And, sadly, as far as career officers and enlisted men are concerned, your point on disapproval being a career-ender is germane as well. In fact, I have noted on other threads that I even foresee the rise of a new "political officer" class evolving in the services from the present "equal opportunity officers", but embracing much more than ethnic diversity and given real clout. For all intentions and purposes they will be "zampolits" on a perpetual hunt for any sign of political incorrectness.

At the lower end of the enlisted spectrum, however, I am not sure how much things are going to change. The squids at that level are not careerists, don't give a rat's ass about political correctness, and unless I am seriously mistaken, don't like queers very much.

The first time one of the "gay and proud" tries to act up with a hard nosed BM3, he's liable for fall down a ladder. Below decks, and away from the officers and chiefs, the sailors on any warship have their own hierarchy and their own rules. That's what I don't see changing much.

36 posted on 05/09/2011 4:09:44 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: YankeeReb

And we get closer and closer to the fall of the empire.


37 posted on 05/09/2011 4:14:27 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: YankeeReb

“Captain, the men haven’t eaten in days.”
“Yes.”
“Captain, the men haven’t eaten in DAYS.”
“Yes!”
“Captain, do you understand, the MEN haven’t EATEN in DAYS!”
“Well, FORCE THEM! You’ve got plenty of men, haven’t you?”
“Yes, sir.”
“You have plenty of what?”
“Men, sir.”
“WHAT!”
“MEN, SIR!”
“WHAT!!!”
“MEN!”
“MEN!”
“MEN! MEN! MEN! MEN! MEN! MEN!”
Men men men men
Men men men men
It’s great to be on a ship with men and sail across the sea!
Oh, we don’t know where we’ll land or when, it’s great to be with men!
It’s great to be with men!

‘Cause men can sweat and men can stink and no one seems to care oh!
THROW the dishes in the sink and clog the drain with hair-o!
(Clog the drain with hair-o!)

Men men men, it’s a ship all filled with men!
So batten down the ladies room theres no one here but men!
Men men men, men men men men!

There’s men above there’s men below there’s men down in the galley,
There’s Butch! and Buzz! and Spike! and Biff! and one guy we call
Sally.
(And one guy we call Sally.)

Men men men, it’s a ship all filled with men,
You’ll never have to lift the seat there’s no one here but men!
Men men men, men men men men.

We’re men and friends until the end and none of us are sissies,
At night we sleep in separate beds and blow each other kissies!
(And blow each other kissies!)

Men men men, it’s a ship all filled with men!
So throw your rubbers overboard there’s no one here but men!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!—

—Martin Mull


38 posted on 05/09/2011 4:23:44 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: YankeeReb

“Consistent with the tenets of his or her religious organization.......”

Really? Orders will be orders and tenets overboard.


39 posted on 05/09/2011 4:26:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: YankeeReb

This is the last grasp of a dying Republic, I say that all Christians (and conservatives) stay away from the Federal US Military from now on..!


40 posted on 05/09/2011 4:50:38 PM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: fwdude

I’m not aware of any current Naval base in Massachusetts.


41 posted on 05/09/2011 5:20:59 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Ronin
I'll credit Matt Barber with his parsing the language of the leftist "gay" terminology. It makes a lot of sense. One can be a homosexual without being "gay."

But I'm a little doubtful of whether the squids will be allowed to be as intolerant of "gays" as they would like to be. If/when the repeal goes through, activist homosexuals will literally swarm into the military, at least at first - the way they initially swarm into "marriage" when a state mandates this perversion. It won't be a static change by any estimate. Those militant activists joining will push the envelope to the limit in order to further demoralize and desensitize society further. They won't take any kind of "disrespect" and will now have an avid, listening ear in their commander-in-chief regarding any "misconduct."

Just look at the submarine commander who recently came to light with an entertainment ritual on board that merely poked fun at homosexuals. DADT repeal hasn't even gone through, and yet, his career has been ended nevertheless.

42 posted on 05/09/2011 5:41:29 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: fwdude

Well, it’s certain were going to find out one way or another.

The gays might, as you say, swarm into the military, but what the results of that will be is anyone’s guess at this point.

Military life is a whole different world than what they are used to, and I can foresee numerous ways that an overly promiscuous and aggressive gay sailor could easily find himself in genuine mortal peril.

Like I said, ships are dangerous places at the best of times. A sudden shove from a darkened passageway can send a person headlong down a ladder. Tools or paint cans can “fall” at inappropriate times. People can be walking on a weather-deck, slip and fall overboard. All of those, and many more besides, have happened before.

Any squid who has spent more than a year or so at sea has heard stories about “accidents” like that where there are no witnesses and nobody knows anything about anything.

It may not be as bad now as it was in the 70s when I was in the Navy. Then, officers and chiefs didn’t even dare go into certain berthing compartments at night. But I still doubt it has changed that much.

The below decks culture of a Navy warship is a completely different world.


43 posted on 05/09/2011 6:04:09 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: YankeeReb

Well like I’ve always said 80 men go out and 40 couple come back.


44 posted on 05/09/2011 6:09:18 PM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: YankeeReb

Well like I’ve always said 80 men go out and 40 couple come back.


45 posted on 05/09/2011 6:09:36 PM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: YankeeReb

NOTE: A chaplain will only be able to do this if their endorsing denomination allows the same. Chaplains are not allowed to do anything that violates the tenets of the group they represent.


46 posted on 05/09/2011 6:27:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Who is John Galt?")
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To: Ronin

The real issue is combat duty, most open gays from the military are silent until they got wounded or sent home. Some facts about you just aren’t too relevant when you are really under enemy fire.


47 posted on 05/09/2011 6:44:21 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: Andy'smom
I’m not aware of any current Naval base in Massachusetts.

I didn't know, but just a hypothetical.

48 posted on 05/09/2011 7:56:12 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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