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British Survey: Disabled Opposes Legalizing Assisted Suicide
Life News ^ | 5/9/11 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 05/09/2011 4:12:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

A new national survey in England finds disabled Britons are opposed to the national government legalizing the practice of assisted suicide, and one pro-life group is welcoming the results.

The survey, commissioned by disability group Scope, found 70% of disabled people are “concerned about pressure being placed on other disabled people to end their lives prematurely” “if there were a change in the law on assisted suicide.” The survey also found that most young adults share the concerns of older generations about the dangers of legalizing assisted suicide.

The survey found 77% of disabled people aged 18-24 and 71% of disabled people aged 25-34 expressed those concerns.

Anthony Ozimic, the communications manager for the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC), responded to the poll, saying, “We welcome this survey and take encouragement from its findings. Scope, which commissioned the survey, is not part of the pro-life movement and there is no suggestion of it being partisan.”

“The survey’s questions were worded fairly, unlike recent general public opinion polls which use the pro-euthanasia lobby’s euphemisms, such as ‘assisted dying’. Disabled people, including young adults, are increasingly alarmed by the celebrity-driven push for legalizing assisted suicide. Disabled people want help to live well and die naturally, not lethal injections or poison-pills,” he added.

This year, assisted suicide backers in England have been pressing again for legalization of the practice and, in January, they went further by trashing disabled people in the process.

In the British Medical Journal, Tony Delamothe wrote a column titled “One and a Half Truths About Assisted Dying,” in which he disparaged the disabled.

“Sixteen months ago I argued that the debate on assisted dying had been hijacked by disabled people who wanted to live and that it should be reclaimed for terminally ill people who wanted to die,” he said.

But American bioethicist Wesley J. Smith, in a blog post, called him on the carpet.

“Thanks to the spread of suicide tourism, the UK is going through another in a series of pushes to legalize assisted suicide.  As with the last time, when a bill was introduced in the House of Lords, a commission is studying the issue.  And advocates are pretending that their goal is what it clearly is not,’ he writes.

Smith says the pro-assisted suicide activism in the United Kingdom “has explicitly not been limited to the terminally ill” and writes the example of the bill in the Scottish Parliament to legalize the practice, saying MSP Margo MacDonald is referenced by Delamothe.

“Yet, it specifically would have permitted assisted suicide for people with non terminal disabilities,” he notes.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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“The survey’s questions were worded fairly, unlike recent general public opinion polls which use the pro-euthanasia lobby’s euphemisms, such as ‘assisted dying’. Disabled people, including young adults, are increasingly alarmed by the celebrity-driven push for legalizing assisted suicide. Disabled people want help to live well and die naturally, not lethal injections or poison-pills,” he added.

I'm sure the culture of death is baffled that their intended victims aren't lining up to be slaughtered.

1 posted on 05/09/2011 4:12:54 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/09/2011 4:14:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/09/2011 4:15:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 05/09/2011 4:16:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Perhaps the disabled recognize just how easily a homicide could be masked as assisted suicide?


5 posted on 05/09/2011 4:20:02 PM PDT by Melas
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To: wagglebee

This is always a difficult issue for me.

I think the right to end one’s own tread upon this mortal coil is an absolute right — it 100% up the the individual and the State has no right to interfere with that decision. Anyone who says other is merely a statist demanding their personal moral code be forced upon others, limiting freedom in an almost infinite manner.

The slippery slope begins when it goes from being a personal option to an obligation (a’la eskimos mythos, Logan’s Run or Soylent Green).

So long as a human draws breath and is clear on his/her intentions, the State should stay the hell out of end-life decisions: one way or the other.


6 posted on 05/09/2011 4:21:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: wagglebee

Indeed. Some people do note that things that were once illegal become permissible and then, after time, become mandatory. Voluntary assisted suicide for the disabled will rapidly become involuntary assisted suicide once some f*cking accountant with a spreadsheet finds that killing the disabled will save the National Health Service (NHS) a few quid.


7 posted on 05/09/2011 4:23:44 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: wagglebee

Welcome to the brave new world...


8 posted on 05/09/2011 4:26:18 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: freedumb2003

Once you accept that a person has the right to decide to end their own life, you open the door to others’ deciding that the person in question is too deluded or politically incorrect to make the right decision.


9 posted on 05/09/2011 4:32:43 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: wagglebee

Disabled are like smokers, a small minority. Their vote doesn’t count. The rest see them as easy prey for their own gain.


10 posted on 05/09/2011 4:37:07 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ez

>>Once you accept that a person has the right to decide to end their own life, you open the door to others’ deciding that the person in question is too deluded or politically incorrect to make the right decision.<<

I don’t necessarily buy that premise, but if you follow that logic, it should end with the decision from someone who is NOT in their “right mind” to always be in favor of life.

But it is wrong for the State to unilaterally take away an individual’s decision to end his/her life (so long as it does not take others’ in the process).

But the devil is always in the details.


11 posted on 05/09/2011 4:38:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: ez
Once you accept that a person has the right to decide to end their own life, you open the door to others’ deciding that the person in question is too deluded or politically incorrect to make the right decision.

Once you accept that the state has the right to restrict peoples' decisions about their own lives, you open the door to others deciding whatever the heck they want about your life!

12 posted on 05/09/2011 4:48:35 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: wagglebee
Nicely misrepresented poll.

NOT A SINGLE QUESTION asked about supporting or opposing the legalization of assisted suicide, unless you know of some hidden questions that weren't released with the others.

But honesty means nothing to Life News, I know.

The poll was about concerns...and many who have concerns still support the legalization. (I'm one example.)

I bet a question that asked,
"Do you believe that disabled persons should be allowed to get assistance legally in doing anything they are unable to do themselves?" would yield a strong YES result.

Why not make people crawl up courthouse steps?

13 posted on 05/09/2011 4:56:47 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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Perhaps the disabled recognize just how easily a homicide could be masked as assisted suicide?

Yes..that's why there are concerns even when there's support. Anyone would be stupid or crazy not to have concerns. I have concerns about RKBA, but support it. I have concerns about people drinking and driving, but I'm not against either.

It's called sanity. Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean he's insane. But in a rational society, we address concerns. There are many concerns as the law exists, such as people making botched suicide attempts, or having to kill themselves before they become too infirm, rather than waiting and having their remaining time.

14 posted on 05/09/2011 5:00:31 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: wagglebee

In other news unborn babies oppose abortion by overwhelming majorities.


15 posted on 05/09/2011 5:00:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freedumb2003
So long as a human draws breath and is clear on his/her intentions, the State should stay the hell out of end-life decisions: one way or the other.

You're exactly right, but you're gonna upset the big-government nanny-state libs here. You can tell them by the way they don't care about individuals or their rights, preferences, or decisions ...they just lump together "lives" in an abstract way and proclaim that they know better than the people themselves. Oh, and if you can't do something for yourself, then you're out of luck, as far as they're concerned.


While I recognize the "obligation because of societal pressure" idea, I'm starting to question even that. We recognize a person's free will even if he's under pressure. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person must buy an iPhone. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person can't make personal decisions.

16 posted on 05/09/2011 5:11:02 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: wagglebee

The pro-life organizations should sponsor an annual “Dr. Harold Shipman Award”, to the biggest medical advocates of euthanasia.

Dr. Harold Shipman was a convicted English serial killer. A doctor by profession, he is among the most prolific serial killers in recorded history with 218 murders being positively ascribed to him, although the actual number is likely much higher.

Shipman died on 13 January 2004, after hanging himself in his cell at Wakefield Prison in West Yorkshire.


17 posted on 05/09/2011 5:57:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: wagglebee

I’ve read that many of those “assisted” had no input into their so-called “sucide”


18 posted on 05/09/2011 6:06:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Gondring

That’s what I just said.


19 posted on 05/09/2011 6:13:58 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: freedumb2003

I don’t think the State OR the person should have the right to end a life. Of course someone who is committed to suicide is going to do it anyway, especially if they don’t believe in God, so there is no sense legislating it unless you are trying to give the State the power to end OTHER people’s lives. We are close to agreeing except whether the person has the right to end their own life and that is, in the long run, a moot point.


20 posted on 05/09/2011 6:18:36 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ez
I don’t think the State OR the person should have the right to end a life. Of course someone who is committed to suicide is going to do it anyway, especially if they don’t believe in God, so there is no sense legislating it unless you are trying to give the State the power to end OTHER people’s lives.

1) we have already done that. It is called the "death penalty" (except here in California where it is the "I will outlive all the jurors, judges and DAs with endless appeals" penalty).

2) False dichotomy. Admitting an individual has the final say on his/her life or end thereof does NOT mean we "give" the State anything. It is the opposite: it REMOVES the State's right to intervene.

We are close to agreeing except whether the person has the right to end their own life and that is, in the long run, a moot point.

In the long run all life and death issues are moot. ;)

21 posted on 05/09/2011 6:24:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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I’ve read that many of those “assisted” had no input into their so-called “sucide”

Authoritative citations?

22 posted on 05/09/2011 6:26:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: ez
I don’t think the State OR the person should have the right to end a life.

Too bad...it, like all our natural rights, is given to us by our Creator.

Rights and freedoms are complementary.

Free speech implies the right not to have to share your political views.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not a mandate to carry a gun.
The Right of Peaceable Assembly is complemented by the freedom from having to attend a government rally.
The Freedom of Worship includes the right to skip church.
Freedom from the requirement of self-incriminating testimony doesn't mean you are forbidden from testifying.

And the right to life includes the right to end that life.

It's not a moot point. Many people figure they can end things when they get bad enough, but fail to realize that by the time they are ready, they aren't able physically. So people are now killing themselves before they want to, just to be sure they don't get trapped by infirmity.

[...] there is no sense legislating it unless you are trying to give the State the power to end OTHER people’s lives.

That's not the only power they want. How about the British, who rescued a guy who'd slit his throat, then hanged him for the crime of attempted suicide. The rope tore the stitches open, so they...oh, nevermind, but it's an illustration of how sick these ghouls are who want to restrict the rights of others.

23 posted on 05/09/2011 6:37:58 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: wagglebee

Documents can be forged and disabled people can end up dead without their consent. That’s more murder.


24 posted on 05/09/2011 6:58:11 PM PDT by floriduh voter (People who don't pray: start.. People who pray: pray more.)
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While I recognize the "obligation because of societal pressure" idea, I'm starting to question even that. We recognize a person's free will even if he's under pressure. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person must buy an iPhone. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person can't make personal decisions.

When you support death for a person who is pressured into it, that negates your claim to support that person's right to choose for themselves.

25 posted on 05/09/2011 9:09:25 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: freedumb2003
The question is not remotely difficult. If someone truly wishes to off themselves they'll find a way no matter what we do. The problem with "assistance" is that most people do not wish to die and the "assistance" is really a matter of coercion to one degree or another. You don't allow the State to enter the arena because the only power the State has is the power of coercion, so that's the only result you'll get from any State involvement in any question.

The Statists love to use straw-man cases. The argument is always that because it is possible that some theoretical one-in-a-million soul might benefit all should come under the heel of some new "beneficent" policy, regardless of the obvious harms which will befall rights and liberties of the 999,999-in-a-million others.

26 posted on 05/09/2011 9:16:30 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: BykrBayb
When you support death for a person who is pressured into it, that negates your claim to support that person's right to choose for themselves.

Of course it would, which is why I don't support death for a person who is pressured into it.

But, frankly, it has been my experience that it's FAR more likely for people to be pressured into living, with others chiding them into enduring unspeakable pain for the benefit of those around them.

27 posted on 05/09/2011 9:51:43 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring
Too late. You already said "While I recognize the 'obligation because of societal pressure' idea, I'm starting to question even that. We recognize a person's free will even if he's under pressure. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person must buy an iPhone. Societal pressure doesn't mean a person can't make personal decisions."

When you falsely interpret someone's coerced agreement as their own free will, regardless of the fact that they were pressured into it, and you know it was never their own decision, but you lie and say that it was, that negates your claim to support their right to have their real decisions honored. So it's too late to pretend you don't support offing someone who was pressured into it.

28 posted on 05/09/2011 10:04:56 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Non sequitur.

Do you assume that when you pressure someone to live, then you’ve subverted their free will?

I point out that we can’t assume that just because someone tries to apply pressure, it doesn’t mean the person didn’t choose willingly. A person can make a decision despite attempts to apply pressure.


29 posted on 05/09/2011 10:10:32 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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I'm still waiting for you to justify your claim that when you pressure someone to die we should kill them just the same as if it were their own free will.16 . Usually your kind at least pretends to believe that vulnerable people won't be pressured. That there will be safeguards. This is the first time I've seen anyone openly promote pressuring vulnerable people to agree to their own demise. That's pushing the "survival of the fittest" attitude to its limits.
30 posted on 05/10/2011 7:18:52 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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I point out that we can’t assume that just because someone tries to apply pressure, it doesn’t mean the person didn’t choose willingly.

If someone is pressured to die they did NOT make the choice willingly. They were coerced, pressured.

Definition pressured

verb (used with object)
10.to force (someone) toward a particular end; influence:
Example: They pressured him into accepting the contract.

Dictionary: pressured

5. A compelling or constraining influence, such as a moral force, on the mind or will: pressure to conform; peer-group pressure.

Doesn't sound like free will to me.

31 posted on 05/10/2011 7:30:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: BykrBayb

“Assisted” suicide in Europe has probably been done a lot without any indication the patient wants to die. I remember stories about it, but I couldn’t find them.


32 posted on 05/10/2011 7:33:25 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You’re right. That isn’t free will. Many euthanasia advocates claim their reason for supporting it is because they support free will. It’s rare to find someone who openly promotes euthanasia that clearly subverts free will.


33 posted on 05/10/2011 7:41:45 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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“Assisted” suicide in Europe has probably been done a lot without any indication the patient wants to die. I remember stories about it, but I couldn’t find them.

Hell, it was done to Terri Schiavo based on a conversation that a sociopath "recalled" having years after her accident and after the sociopath had moved in with another woman and, most importantly, after Terri won a lot of money.

Of course Terri wasn't suicide, because everyone knows that food and water have long been considered "extraordinary life support."

34 posted on 05/10/2011 7:43:25 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I’ve read many of those same stories. The people behind those non-voluntary killings will usually claim they were acting in good faith on what they believed their victims would have wanted. Rarely do they openly admit to pressuring their victims to comply.


35 posted on 05/10/2011 7:44:37 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

They don’t realize that it DOES subvert free will when pressure is applied to another’s will. It opens the door to euthanizing anyone too. It’s a slippery slope and “free will” is a lie.


36 posted on 05/10/2011 7:45:43 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee; GeronL

As a matter of fact, Terri’s estranged husband had already testified in court about her pro-life wishes in regards to her own life in the very situation she was in. He testified that he had promised her he would take care of her for the rest of their lives. But that was when he wanted money “for her care and rehabilitation.” Once he had the money, she went from pro-life to pro-choice, and then further to pro-forced-death-by-torture.


37 posted on 05/10/2011 7:49:05 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Oh, I think they do realize. If they believed it was a person’s free will to die, they wouldn’t feel the need to pressure them.


38 posted on 05/10/2011 7:51:07 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

I agree. That didn’t come out the way I meant it.


39 posted on 05/10/2011 7:57:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: MeganC
Indeed. Some people do note that things that were once illegal become permissible and then, after time, become mandatory. Voluntary assisted suicide for the disabled will rapidly become involuntary assisted suicide once some f*cking accountant with a spreadsheet finds that killing the disabled will save the National Health Service (NHS) a few quid.

If it is legal, and convincing patients to die saves money, expect staff to be trained in high-pressure sales techniques to convince sick people to sign off on euthanasia.

40 posted on 05/10/2011 8:06:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: DJ MacWoW

: )


41 posted on 05/10/2011 8:17:15 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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As a matter of fact, Terri’s estranged husband had already testified in court about her pro-life wishes in regards to her own life in the very situation she was in. He testified that he had promised her he would take care of her for the rest of their lives. But that was when he wanted money “for her care and rehabilitation.” Once he had the money, she went from pro-life to pro-choice, and then further to pro-forced-death-by-torture.

If I remember correctly, Mikey's main complaint when he went to court originally was that he couldn't have sex with Terri; he took care of that problem, Terri got a bunch of money, so his need to keep Terri around vanished.

42 posted on 05/10/2011 8:43:01 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well isn’t that special. /s


43 posted on 05/10/2011 9:24:37 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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44 posted on 05/10/2011 9:32:56 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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What a despicable person he is, particularly since he seems to have absolutely no shame.


45 posted on 05/10/2011 9:47:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

When you are certain that it’s all about you and others don’t matter, Mikey is what you end up with.


46 posted on 05/10/2011 9:52:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That sounds like the definition of a narcissistic sociopath.


47 posted on 05/10/2011 9:58:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yes. And fits the DC Pretender too.


48 posted on 05/10/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Agreed. Ugh.


49 posted on 05/10/2011 10:02:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb
Of course he's a narcissistic sociopath, he murdered his wife on live TV with the entire world watching. He had children dragged off in handcuffs for daring to try to sneak a bottle of water into the death chamber where Terri was being murdered.
50 posted on 05/10/2011 10:28:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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