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'Obama was ready for military confrontation with Pak' ("Commander McBragg" Obama jumps the shark)
The Hindustan Times ^ | May 10, 2011

Posted on 05/10/2011 12:15:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

US President Barack Obama was willing to risk a military confrontation with Pakistan in order to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, the New York Times reported revealing additional details about the US raid on his hideout.

Obama insisted that the assault force hunting down the al Qaeda leader be large enough to fight its way out of Pakistan if confronted by hostile local police officers and troops, the influential US daily said on Monday citing senior administration and military officials.

Two teams of specialists were on standby: One to bury bin Laden if he was killed, and a second composed of lawyers, interrogators and translators in case he was captured alive, the officials were cited as saying.

That team was set to meet aboard a Navy ship, most likely the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson in the North Arabian Sea.

"Obama's decision to increase the size of the force sent into Pakistan shows that he was willing to risk a military confrontation with a close ally in order to capture or kill the leader of al Qaeda," the Times said.

"Their instructions were to avoid any confrontation if at all possible. But if they had to return fire to get out, they were authorised to do it," one senior Obama administration official cited by the daily said about the rules of engagement for the Osama mission.

The planning also illustrates how little the administration trusted the Pakistanis as they set up their operation, the Times said.

American surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft were watching and listening to how Pakistan's police forces and military responded to the raid, officials cited by the daily said.

That determined how long the commandos could safely remain on the ground going through the compound collecting computer hard drives, thumb drives and documents.

In planning for the possible capture of bin Laden, officials decided they would bring him aboard a Navy ship to preclude battles over jurisdiction, the Times said.

The plan was to do an initial interrogation for any information that might prevent a pending attack or identify the location of other Qaeda leaders, it said.

But US officials acknowledged that the mission always was weighted toward killing, given the possibility that bin Laden would be armed or wearing an explosive vest, the Times said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; osama; pakistan; victorylap; worldwar3; wot
By next week, he'll have been the first one into the hideout, taking out Osama with one well-placed shot right between the eyes and then translating all the documents from Arabic before piloting the helicopter to the awaiting aircraft carrier, where he cooked a delicious gourmet meal for the SEAL team, before reading them their rights under the UCMJ for war crimes. He then prepared the body for burial at sea and performed the Islamic funeral ceremony.
1 posted on 05/10/2011 12:15:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So he would have been willing to take the nation into a FOURTH war (especially if OBL had not been even inside the building).

Says much that his Left Wing base should be hearing.


2 posted on 05/10/2011 12:17:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: a fool in paradise

With a nuclear power, no less, or didn’t any of his twenty-something staffers tell him that ‘Pock-ee-ston’ (as he pronounces it) has atomic weapons and missiles?


3 posted on 05/10/2011 12:19:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed. (Proverbs 12:24))
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To: a fool in paradise
Does anyone really believe that obambi had any idea on how to handle this situation? It was his advisors, joint chiefs, and top level military that told him about the opportunity and said do it. I firmly believe he knew that if he didn't say go, he would be "dead political man walking". Hey, Secret Service, read the qualifier "political". Or stop by and say hello anytime. Would like to meet you guys.

Obambi has NO clue on how the military works, even after these 2 years in the Oval Office. He is a figurehead who does what is political expedient.

4 posted on 05/10/2011 12:26:08 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Now I can't even read “Obama” without seeing “Osama”.

This is getting worse!

5 posted on 05/10/2011 12:26:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now I know why we know so little about our fearless leader, he is a secret agent. Now we just have to figure out who he really works for.


6 posted on 05/10/2011 12:32:40 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doesn’t ANYONE remember that back during the campaign 0bama indicated quite strongly (for those capable of reading between the lines) that he WANTED war with Pakistan?

I dunno why... Maybe he is backing the Shia rather then the Sunni, and wants to bring in the 12th Imam.


7 posted on 05/10/2011 12:41:57 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: A Navy Vet

>> Does anyone really believe that obambi had any idea on how to handle this situation?

He probably got a call intimating a way to divert attention away from Trump.


8 posted on 05/10/2011 12:44:04 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Heroic paintings of Obama in full military regalia with a chestfull of medals for various campaigns on a white horse can't be far off.
9 posted on 05/10/2011 12:44:22 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup. May I profer a shorter version, though?

In “obama kills Osama” v82, obama is a hero. Really! /hurl


10 posted on 05/10/2011 12:45:16 AM PDT by piytar (Obama opposed every tool used to get Osama. So of course he gets the credit. /hurl)
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To: SpaceBar

Heroic paintings of Obama in full military regalia with a chestfull of medals for various campaigns on a white horse can't be far off.

11 posted on 05/10/2011 12:48:27 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: a fool in paradise
So he would have been willing to take the nation into a FOURTH war

Exactly! Could that possibly be why Pres. Bush didn't act on the four year old info that Osama was there?

12 posted on 05/10/2011 12:48:45 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: A Navy Vet; 2ndDivisionVet
"Obambi has NO clue on how the military works, even after these 2 years in the Oval Office. He is a figurehead who does what is political expedient."
It is really as simple as you describe.
It is late by my time. ANV and 2ndDiv and all readers, do have a great upcoming day. I'm hitting the sack. 3:40AM my time.
13 posted on 05/10/2011 12:49:59 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, yeah, and Bill Clinton took manly and bold action to fire a ton of money, I men missiles, into Afghanistan when Monica was in the news.

Osama being dead is good.

So, reward the Intelligence people and SEALS then dig up what Barry is hiding by doing this. The Saudis put the screws to him to do this and he decided to finally do it when the it would help hide something. Probably some major Muslim mass murder that isn't even getting reported, but possibly a major crime by his pals here in the US.

14 posted on 05/10/2011 12:50:34 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
By next week, he'll have been the first one into the hideout, taking out Osama with one well-placed shot right between the eyes and then translating all the documents from Arabic before piloting the helicopter to the awaiting aircraft carrier, where he cooked a delicious gourmet meal for the SEAL team, before reading them their rights under the UCMJ for war crimes. He then prepared the body for burial at sea and performed the Islamic funeral ceremony.
You left out the part about chugging down a fifth of Jack Daniels beforehand...and the moral of the story?!...Don't f**% with a Acorn community organizer when s/he's been drinking.
15 posted on 05/10/2011 12:52:12 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: SpaceBar

16 posted on 05/10/2011 12:56:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed. (Proverbs 12:24))
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To: LegendHasIt

The left has had it out for Pakistan for a while now. They see it as a US client state and therefore hate it on general principle. In the case of Pakistan they are somewhat justified given Pak’s apparent doubledealing. The pattern seems to be that if you are a client or ally of the US, you had better watch out or Obama will throw you under the bus. What happened to Mubarek in Egypt seems to be part of this pattern.


17 posted on 05/10/2011 12:57:51 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama insisted that the assault force hunting down the al Qaeda leader be large enough to fight its way out of Pakistan if confronted by hostile local police officers and troops, ...

Two teams of specialists were on standby: One to bury bin Laden if he was killed, and a second composed of lawyers, interrogators and translators in case he was captured alive,

Yeah, don't forget to take grave diggers and lawyers in case there's some real trouble...I hope the grave diggers had proper union representation...not that it matters with lawyers at the ready.
18 posted on 05/10/2011 1:02:30 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Tammy8
Now we just have to figure out who he really works for.
As if you haven't figured that out yet.
19 posted on 05/10/2011 1:05:39 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Baron Munchhausen lives!


20 posted on 05/10/2011 1:16:10 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“With a nuclear power, no less, or didn’t any of his twenty-something staffers tell him that ‘Pock-ee-ston’ (as he pronounces it) has atomic weapons and missiles?”

There are no WMD. There never were.


21 posted on 05/10/2011 1:20:28 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You got that right.


22 posted on 05/10/2011 1:28:05 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s Jarack Obaurba, now with movable parts and a kung fu grip.


23 posted on 05/10/2011 1:31:14 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SpaceBar
Heroic paintings of Obama in full military regalia ....on a white horse can't be far off.

Like a Soviet field marshal? Don't say that too loudly .....

Actually, though, I think he'd rather be the guy who regularly executed Soviet field marshals ..... by sending them Nikita Khruschev with a brand-new Tokarev pistol in a box.

24 posted on 05/10/2011 1:46:46 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Yardstick
The pattern seems to be that if you are a client or ally of the US, you had better watch out or Obama will throw you under the bus.

Hmmm. Here's a thought: What if, from Obama's POV, the raid was a three-fer?

One, he gets credits he can use to muzzle GOP national-security campaign issues and get re-elected in 2012.

Two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is a big dog in the Muslim Brotherhood, gets the leadership of al-Q'aeda at the same time the MB gets the leadership of Egypt served up to them on a plate by Obama.

Three, bereft of cred and fresh out of friends, the Paki military gets overthrown by the Taliban and al-Q'aeda, who thus get The Bomb and the services of Dr. A.Q. Khan, the Paki nuke-maker.

Later on, Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood cooperate in a "high crime and misdemeanor" that will make history forget about Benedict Arnold. Then Obama recites the Shehada in public for real and announces he's always been a secret Musselman fanatic and shaheed, and promptly gets "martyred" for the Umma in a huge propaganda coup/scandal.

How about that one?

25 posted on 05/10/2011 2:00:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: A Navy Vet; af_vet_rr; stevie_d_64; wardaddy; rustbucket; x
Obambi has NO clue on how the military works.....

I'm still half-persuaded he just doesn't care.

But he still talks about building up a civilian force (private army, or party army a la the SA and Waffen-SS). How he would manage the constitutional legitimacy of such an organization, if he began to arm them, I don't know.

And as a practical matter, how would he deal with all the "reactionary" patriots now in uniform?

He's obviously trying to drive some of them out by introducing homosexuals, and secure himself a more-liberal military, and to stress-test the senior leadership cadres, to identify the next generation of reliable Wesley Clarks.

But the OldThinkers in uniform would still be a problem, so he probably plans a monster RIF at some point, to blow the Good Guys out into the street and leave the catamites and left-wingers in place as "the new military" who won't mind pogrom-izing Americans for their race and politics.

</thinking out loud; /thinking about Obozo as a Marxist-Leninist rather than as a jihadi shaheed>

26 posted on 05/10/2011 2:14:43 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

A “right wing teabagger” pulls the trigger, and Congress grants special powers to Joe Biden, including suspension of habeas corpus, until the “domestic terrorists” are all safely behind bars.


27 posted on 05/10/2011 2:15:32 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I take your point, but I don't think Joe Biteme is really a member in good standing of the Obama cabal. He's mainly a political campaign prop left over from '08.

No, if Obama is going to pull something like that, someone else will be the human sacrifice.

Hillary, maybe. Two birds with one stone. Under the bus, Hildy. (You, too, Huma. </snark>)

28 posted on 05/10/2011 2:25:02 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When does International A.N.S.W.E.R., MoveOn.org, and Code Pink start gathering in the streets!!??

29 posted on 05/10/2011 3:01:37 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (FreeRepublic's frontline citizen reporter in Japan (among others). -- AiT)
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To: LegendHasIt

Yes, it was very pronounced.


30 posted on 05/10/2011 3:20:51 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two teams of specialists were on standby: One to bury bin Laden if he was killed, and a second composed of lawyers, interrogators and translators in case he was captured alive, the officials were cited as saying.

No wonder he was shot on sight. What special operator wants to be part of the debacle explained above....? Who did they have in mind as the lead lawyer on this mission....Harmon Raab?

31 posted on 05/10/2011 3:28:59 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Now I can’t even read “Obama” without seeing “Osama”.”

I thought it was just me? Hope we can get a nice AMERICAN name in there. /s


32 posted on 05/10/2011 4:02:35 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why I am curious about all of this, the way they are releasing info is so political. Unnamed sources to the NYT? Late night the world-is-ending news alerts followed by Obama crowing about himself? Something big better happen somewhere to take this off the front pages.

PLEASE Myley Cirus elope with Justin Bieber or something ;)


33 posted on 05/10/2011 4:03:23 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s becoming clear - Biden is the smart one....


34 posted on 05/10/2011 4:14:01 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I agree. I'd stay outta small aircraft and maybe hire a taste tester if i were Joe. I am sure zero would get at least a five point bump for Joe's demise too. They could build the whole campaign around it, "do it for Joe" would be the slogan. Photoshopped images of joe and obama would be all over as appearing as though they were best friends.

And, unable to distinguish reality from fabricated reality the public would fall inline like the moldable serfs that they are quickly becoming.

35 posted on 05/10/2011 4:14:26 AM PDT by riri
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The journOlists have been ordered to make him the hero and they have no problem doing it.


36 posted on 05/10/2011 4:57:09 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Matthews heils his Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iovgXnKe—Y&feature=player_embedded

In the beginning of the clip he loses his breathe like he is in love?

Obamagasm Awards
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2717238/posts?page=33


37 posted on 05/10/2011 5:07:00 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Complete claptrap.

But then it is from an Indian newspaper, and India hates Pokeestan.

If Zero dithered any more than he did, Bin Laden would still be alive, and Seal Team 6 would have been in Iranian Rescue 1980—Part 2.

The non- Natural Born One needs to go—as soon as possible.

Even a clown like Biden does not hate this country as much as Zero.


38 posted on 05/10/2011 5:14:42 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Obambi has NO clue on how the military works, even after these 2 years in the Oval Office. He is a figurehead who does what is political expedient.

Amen.

Permit me one little tweak.

Obama is a figurehead who does what Valerie Jarrett tells him to do.

39 posted on 05/10/2011 5:17:30 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NY Slimes
'Obama was ready for military confrontation with Pak'

("Commander McBragg" Obama jumps the shark
*** By next week, he'll have been the first one into the hideout, taking out Osama with one well-placed shot right between the eyes and then translating all the documents from Arabic before piloting the helicopter to the awaiting aircraft carrier, where he cooked a delicious gourmet meal for the SEAL team, before reading them their rights under the UCMJ for war crimes. He then prepared the body for burial at sea and performed the Islamic funeral ceremony. ***


If the NY Slimes thought they could get away with telling that Fairy Tale, they would.


an aside on 'Commander McBragg'.
Per TCM's Robert Osborne that cartoon character was modeled after the great (IMHO) British actor C. Aubrey Smith
(General Burroughs in the 1939 movie 'The Four Feathers')[one of my faves]

40 posted on 05/10/2011 5:19:25 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51
Oooops, my mistake.
It's NOT the NY Slimes but the 'hindustantimes' per the 'Indo-Asian News Service'

Prolly not a big difference anyway.

41 posted on 05/10/2011 5:26:26 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lawyers were standing to the ready.


42 posted on 05/10/2011 5:34:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('In the Name of the Great Jehovah & the Continental Congress!' - Ethan Allen - 5-10-1775)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“By next week, he’ll have been the first one into the hideout, taking out Osama with one well-placed shot right between the eyes”

Yep. That “classic” picture of Obama watching the operation with his security team used an Obama body-double. The real Obama was taking care of business in Abbotabad. We should thank our lucky stars for the wise voters who courageously pulled the lever for this visionary hero in 2008—the ones who recognized that John McCain was just a man of words, not action. What we needed and apparently got was a REAL man, a FEARLESS man, a man of ACTION whose boldness we’d never before seen in a POTUS. I wonder when Mattel is going to release the BHO action figure?


43 posted on 05/10/2011 6:07:40 AM PDT by DrC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry...I had to borrow this photo....I spit coffee across 4 monitors when I read the file name...


44 posted on 05/10/2011 6:13:58 AM PDT by halfright (My presidents picture is in the dictionary, next to the word, "rectum".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it interesting to read about what other countries ‘think’ our President did, or would do.

Even we don’t know.


45 posted on 05/10/2011 10:53:42 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: exit82
Obama is a figurehead who does what Valerie Jarrett tells him to do.

True. Although he's a little slow about actually doing anything. She has to 'prod' him a lot.

46 posted on 05/10/2011 10:58:51 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Rashputin
...fire a ton of money, I men missiles, into...

I'm quite sure Obama would like the idea of tons of man missles firing.

47 posted on 05/10/2011 12:48:05 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Maybe the “domestic terrorist” will kill Biden and Hillary while “aiming” for The One, who will be safely behind bullet-proof glass, ala Nasser. What a shame they were caught in the crossfire. Emergency measures. Sieg Heil. The end.


49 posted on 05/10/2011 12:57:59 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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