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Bin Laden Coup Won't Help Obama in Budget Fight
Townhall.com ^ | May 10, 2011 | Byron York

Posted on 05/10/2011 4:51:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

Barack Obama believes he can leverage some of his killing-bin-Laden popularity into new power on Capitol Hill. "It is my fervent hope," the president told a bipartisan group of lawmakers at the White House shortly after the public learned of bin Laden's death, "that we can harness some of that unity and some of that pride to confront the many challenges that we still face."

If the president is thinking about the most contentious issues on the Hill right now -- the budget and the debt ceiling -- he can forget about any new unity. "While the speaker is glad that Osama bin Laden has been killed, it won't affect his relationship (with the president) on any other policy issues," says a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner. "For example, I don't think anyone is more likely to vote for a debt-limit increase without spending cuts and other reforms because bin Laden is dead."

A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell for says much the same. Sending along McConnell's remarks from the Biden deficit task force meeting Thursday -- in which McConnell pushed Obama and Democrats to agree to spending cuts -- the spokesman added, "Please note that (McConnell) has not converted to a tax-and-spend liberal."

The fact is, Republican leaders do not believe Obama's victory over bin Laden translates into any greater clout on core issues like the budget. "It's a significant accomplishment, an important accomplishment," says a well-connected GOP strategist. "And Obama gets a boost in terms of this particular accomplishment. But the No. 1 issue in the country is jobs and the economy, and ultimately he's going to be judged by that issue."

There's no doubt that Obama is enjoying a boost from bin Laden's death. A Washington Post poll shows his job-approval rating jumping nine points after the news. A New York Times poll shows an 11-point spike. But Republicans believe the president's moment will be brief, and that any increased clout it might bring him will be limited to issues like the war in Afghanistan and other national-security matters.

GOP strategists point to December 2003, when President George W. Bush finally tracked down Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Just before that happened, Bush was at 50 percent job approval, according to the Gallup Organization. After Saddam's capture, Bush jumped to 60 percent. Then, a month later, he was at 49 percent, resuming what proved to be a long slide in popularity.

Of course, by that time the Iraq War, falling into stalemate, was becoming a drag on Bush. But Republicans are also looking at the case of the first President Bush, whose Gallup approval rating was at 53 percent in October 1990, just before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Bush's approval soared after he took a strong stand against Iraq, hitting 83 percent in January 1991 and then 90 percent in early March, after U.S. forces won the first Gulf War. After that, it was all downhill. By early May, Bush was at 69 percent. By July, it was 59 percent. By late February 1992, a year after his Gulf War triumph, Bush had fallen to 39 percent.

Republicans believe Obama, whose job-approval ratings were in the mid- to high-40s before bin Laden's death, will be back where he was before long. Therefore, they see no reason to make any special concessions to him on strong GOP issues like the deficit.

But what about the polls that show Obama's numbers improving when people are asked to rate him on attributes like decisiveness and leadership? "Those are interesting discussion points, but ultimately it's about the outcome," says the Republican strategist. "The attributes are secondary to the outcome. Did he fix the economy? Did he get unemployment below a certain percentage? It's great that he's decisive, but look at unemployment and gas prices."

It's an unexpected turnaround in the relationship between Republicans and Democrats. For years, Republicans complained that Democrats did not place enough emphasis on the war on terror; polls through the Bush years showed Democrats caring far less about war-on-terror issues than Republicans. For their part, Democrats charged that Republicans, focused on terrorism, didn't pay enough attention to pocketbook issues.

Now, it's Democrats who are touting a national-security concern while Republicans are itching to return to economic issues. The bottom line is that Republicans respect Obama's success in killing bin Laden. But it's not going to mean any new power for the president on Capitol Hill.


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1 posted on 05/10/2011 4:51:58 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Forget about enhancing your image by killing your enemies (much as they have done to justify it)…forget the very thought that SUCH a dynamic even influenced your decision… I still can’t get past is the fact that a guy named OBAMA (President of the United States of America, no less) is getting political traction out of the killing of a guy named OSAMA, on the other side of the world.

I can’t grasp what aberrant constellation of circumstances or grotesque quirk of fate has got us here. When I think of it, I have to wonder: ‘What next? Do I really have anything to say about my future?’


2 posted on 05/10/2011 5:09:07 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Kaslin; Marine_Uncle; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; ...

Does this mean that Republicans will hold out for REAL budget cuts this time? Or just an agreed framework on future nothing?


3 posted on 05/10/2011 5:11:11 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: SMARTY
‘What next? Do I really have anything to say about my future?'

That's gott'a be the most frightening thought to the American consciousness.

When it's all said and done, I still have no job, the cost of everything is more than I can afford, An up coming election doesn't really look all that hopeful (in MY lifetime) ...


Though I'm sure a lot of what I feel is the result of what many other politicians have done in the past, it is zero that I truly detest and the embeds that he has foisted on us that are scarey for my future.

I'm glad I'm 63 ... I don't have the time a 24 year old has.

4 posted on 05/10/2011 5:16:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Kaslin

In the days following the kill it is clear that O’s big mouth has compromised the mission by revealing much to much.

If he hadn’t wanted to make the kill all about his so called gutsy-ness we might have been able to capture and/or kill other top terrorists who are plotting against us and other countries.


5 posted on 05/10/2011 5:18:50 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: knarf
“Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.” P. J. O'Rourke

Americans (too many) found that they could vote themselves all kinds of freebies. It has broken the back of this country.

6 posted on 05/10/2011 5:51:58 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Kaslin
Bin Laden Coup Won't Help Obama in Budget Fight

That's racist, obviously, right? Just checking.

7 posted on 05/10/2011 5:53:15 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: SMARTY

I am starting to think the OBL killing was just a ploy to justify more domestic budget socialism.... Follow the electioneering and control trail...


8 posted on 05/10/2011 6:36:35 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

The really telling aspect to this whole event is that “O” has so little credibility with most Americans that just about anything seems plausible to us.

“O” has never demonstrated any decisiveness, integrity, honesty or character, soooo.....


9 posted on 05/10/2011 6:39:24 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: SMARTY

Pretty bad when you have to kill a guy to get your agenda pasted. Not saying he did not deserve to die, but I do believe odumby would not have taken action if there wasn’t something in it for him.


10 posted on 05/10/2011 6:50:17 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: jimpick

THAT goes without saying.

Do you think for one instant THAT motivation would have been tolerated in a Conservative President?


11 posted on 05/10/2011 6:52:22 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Kaslin
Bin Laden Coup Won't Help Obama in Budget Fight

Nonsequitir of the Century.
I wish I had thought of that first.

12 posted on 05/10/2011 7:19:41 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (It's 3 AM. Let me sleep on it. I'll get back to you in 16 hours.)
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To: Kaslin

I hope the truth about Obama’s indecisiveness on killing Osama gets out and bites him.


13 posted on 05/10/2011 7:36:19 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: sickoflibs

Both Boehner and McConnell have repeated over and over again at their press conferences that there must be huge budget cuts. Will see soon enough as how serious they are. At least the Ryan bill presents a somewhat honest course of action.


14 posted on 05/10/2011 7:51:17 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Kaslin

Barack Obama believes he can leverage some popularity with a decoy.Progressives and other bone heads join hands media aims camera.


15 posted on 05/10/2011 9:15:46 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Marine_Uncle; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO
RE :”Both Boehner and McConnell have repeated over and over again at their press conferences that there must be huge budget cuts. Will see soon enough as how serious they are. At least the Ryan bill presents a somewhat honest course of action

I have a theory now that Boehner is playing the Pelosi 2007-2008 act meaning he lets the House vote on symbolic voters like repealing Obama-care and the Ryan plan without any serious plans, and the purpose to make them law to give his members cover for the final sellout voters where he will depend on Democrats also. That way if challenged in a primary the individual members can tell Tea party voters that they voted for all these things that got blocked in the Senate. .

I was also thinking how Obama would play a debt limit delay to his advantage even with public opinion over-whelmingly against raising it. Obama could start cutting specific popular programs he picks while pleading with Republicans on TV to stop playing with our country's economy for political reasons. I still dont know how that works legally. Can Obama just cut anything he wants?

16 posted on 05/10/2011 9:52:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs
"Can Obama just cut anything he wants?".
Yes/No. For instance. Say a bill dictating cuts in some program(s) from the HR is passed onto the Senate, approved there, then is sent to the executive branch for signing into law.
He can veto the bill. It then would go back to the Congress for modification or just end up in the trash barrel. So in that respect the answer is a yes.
However. Say the same bill sponsored by both houses come to his desk and he signs it. Then he cannot come back later and say he wants something cut out of it. So in that sense the answer would be an obvious no.
To what extent the use of executive orders can be used to cut funding for a bill that was then signed into law by him, I am not sure of the answer.
17 posted on 05/10/2011 10:11:17 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

You misunderstood my question. I understand vetos and specific agency funding decisions.

My question was “What specifically get’s cut when the debt ceiling is not raised yet the spending budget is $3T move than revenue?”. I bet there is no specific law that mandates that.


18 posted on 05/10/2011 10:20:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs
"I bet there is no specific law that mandates that."
And I bet you are right.
19 posted on 05/10/2011 10:27:08 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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20 posted on 05/10/2011 10:34:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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