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National Emergency Alert System Set To Launch In NYC
CBS ^ | May 10, 2011 8:35 AM

Posted on 05/10/2011 7:00:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2

A new national alert system is set to begin in New York City that will alert the public to emergencies via cell phones.

Presidential and local emergency messages as well as Amber Alerts would appear on cell phones equipped with special chips and software.

(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alertsystem; cellphones; emergencymessages; presidentialmessages; propaganda; textmessages
Popcorn?
1 posted on 05/10/2011 7:00:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
Where do I select "opt out"?

Or is that not an option?


2 posted on 05/10/2011 7:03:33 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Can’t opt out of the “Presidential” messages. Lesser messages, yes you can opt out.


3 posted on 05/10/2011 7:05:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ctdonath2

I’ll wait until the paranoia clears but this may not be a horrible thing. The current national emergency system is woefully inadequate. I know for me in the days of Tivo’s and iPod/iPhones I rarely listen to live broadcasts in the car or at home. National emergency alerts to my phone (which is always with me) based on proximity to a tower isn’t bad. Now if it’s messages like “This is Obama go vote for me!”. Then this is BS.


4 posted on 05/10/2011 7:06:44 AM PDT by xenob
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To: ctdonath2
Can’t opt out of the “Presidential” messages. Lesser messages, yes you can opt out.

Figures. Those would be the exact messages I would have no desire to receive (from any president btw).

5 posted on 05/10/2011 7:09:05 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: ctdonath2

He’s going to call us while we’re driving.

He’s going to text us while we’re driving.


6 posted on 05/10/2011 7:09:08 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: ctdonath2

I can’t imagine what a “presidential emergency message” would be.

Local authorities have jurisdiction, not the feds. I’m imagining that we still have a constitution and a republic, though. This will reinforce the concepts of president-as-king, “I’m running the country” thinking.


7 posted on 05/10/2011 7:11:11 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: xenob
It'll be same as Weather service alert radios. I bought mine for Tornado Warnings only.
Good idea at first, but now they want to alert me to every thunderstorm or small craft warning. Their overkill has made it so annoying, that it's now shut off.
8 posted on 05/10/2011 7:16:57 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: markomalley
Frightening image, Mark. How far are we from Revelation, Chapter 13?
16 It compelled everyone -- small and great alike, rich and poor, slave and citizen -- to be branded on the right hand or on the forehead,

17 and made it illegal for anyone to buy or sell anything unless he had been branded with the name of the beast or with the number of its name.

18 There is need for shrewdness here: anyone clever may interpret the number of the beast: it is the number of a human being, the number 666.

9 posted on 05/10/2011 7:16:59 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: xenob

If it’s limited to truly huge/important/urgent messages, like “SF just got nuked”, and costs are minimal then fine.

But such urgency is rare indeed, and in this hyper-info-connected email/news-crawl/cellphone/tweet/Drudge/etc age there is little need for the President to speak to EVERYONE RIGHT NOW to get a message out.

The more I think about it, the more I can’t think of a legitimate use for this. Great propaganda tool, but even the obvious biggies cannot be well served by such a message. I’m open to theories/suggestions; the very nature of the President delivering the message means it will be delayed ‘til after other news outlets move first, and will be softened to focus on the interests of the government instead of the individual.

The ensuing conspiracy theories will be fun though. Popcorn?


10 posted on 05/10/2011 7:17:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: Carley

He’s going to call us while we’re driving.

He’s going to text us while we’re driving.


We need to examine the liability here...


11 posted on 05/10/2011 7:18:36 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: ASA Vet

That’s the kicker: it should be limited to usage so rare that many will question the expense, so to justify it far more messages of minor importance will be transmitted, annoying millions who will shut off or otherwise dismiss such alerts.

Analogy: how many “Civil Defense” locations were allocated and stocked? how many still exist to any viable degree? same statistics.


12 posted on 05/10/2011 7:21:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: txhurl

HA!


13 posted on 05/10/2011 7:21:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ctdonath2

I have no problem with an emergency alert system. Most college campuses use similar networks to notify their populace of local emergencies, and they work well.

But I don’t want any messages whatsoever from Barry0, or from any other politician.


14 posted on 05/10/2011 7:22:00 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: All; ctdonath2
Presidential messages? I think not. Ripe for abuse.

Who is going to pay the messaging fees?

15 posted on 05/10/2011 7:22:24 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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To: txhurl

Mayor Bloomers is doing a little dance. NY is going to be the test market.

It’s a good place to start since NYC has such light traffic it wouldn’t be a distraction at all.


16 posted on 05/10/2011 7:23:49 AM PDT by Carley (We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail. W, 9/20/01)
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To: ctdonath2
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17 posted on 05/10/2011 7:23:49 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: ctdonath2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(novel)


18 posted on 05/10/2011 7:26:59 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: baddog 219

You might want to change the wording on your graphic to EVERY minute, instead of VERY minute.... ;)


19 posted on 05/10/2011 7:27:32 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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In historical retrospect, this is (or should be) just a variation of the ongoing attempts at “Civil Defense” notification infrastructure. Core concept is a good idea, just fraught with standard gov’t screw-ups and political abuse.


20 posted on 05/10/2011 7:31:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: ctdonath2
This would never be used for political advantage or propaganda purposes. No. Never.

Like he!! it won't!!! We'll be bombarded by the ministry of information.

21 posted on 05/10/2011 7:36:54 AM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: Mama Shawna
Photobucket OOPS!
22 posted on 05/10/2011 7:37:47 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: ctdonath2

The heart of this proposal is a wealth redistribution scam to justify handing out “free” cell phones and cell phone service to moochers and zombies.

How else will they be able to receive government alerts advising them of the latest freebies and handouts and reminding them (at election time) of which politicians they can thank for all the free stuff they get and where to go for the next round of handouts.


23 posted on 05/10/2011 7:55:48 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Every day we now throw away things people will kill for after TEOTWAWKI)
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To: markomalley

You can opt out just like in Obamacare.


24 posted on 05/10/2011 7:59:21 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ctdonath2
All your phones are belong to us: BarackObama.gov.

Kill your cell phones!

25 posted on 05/10/2011 8:04:11 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: ctdonath2

The reality is that each year fewer and fewer people are tuned to a local radio or TV station where they are likely to hear an EAS alert. It makes a lot of practical sense, though I have no doubt this crowd in the WH will abuse it.


26 posted on 05/10/2011 8:54:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jedidah

My sheriff department’s emergency services unit left a message on my phone this morning announcing this service for amber alerts, weather emergencies, etc. They already had my number since my mother is on the list for a medical evacuation in the event of a hurricane.


27 posted on 05/10/2011 10:09:06 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: DBrow

“I can’t imagine what a “presidential emergency message” would be.”

PRESIDENTIAL EMERGENCY MESSAGE:

“The republicans are saying mean things about me. Don’t believe a word they say”


28 posted on 05/10/2011 10:18:10 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ctdonath2
When Constitutionalists, 2nd Amendment supporters, gun-owners, military veterans, anti-abortion activists, tax protesters, home schoolers, small business owners, survivalists, gold and silver bugs, and people that generally oppose Americas transformation into a Third World pit are publicly declared "domestic terrorists" (they are already considered the #1 threat within the FEDGOV bureaucracy. See this MIAC Strategic Report) these Big Brother alert systems will be used to get the public to spy on and rat out their neighbors. All classical police states rely on citizen spy networks and this is it. Is this what my grandpa stormed the sands of Iwa Jima for?
29 posted on 05/10/2011 10:50:46 AM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: Roninf5-1

Wake me up when somebody does something about it. The last couple decades of OMGGovernmentIsAfterMe is wearing me out.


30 posted on 05/10/2011 10:57:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: xenob

I agree. With the state of communications these days, it’s kind of silly that we haven’t yet taken advantage of these capabilities for various kinds of emergency situations.

Not “Presidential messages” so much as key bits of information about what’s happening and where. The ability to customize messages based on GPS location or cell towers means getting better targeted info to the people right in the affected area. It could have custom evac routes, locations of emergency supplies and all sorts of info.

It would be great for minimizing rumor mills that seem to always crop up. I wouldn’t mind having a feed for APB alerts too. If there’s a fleeing suspect what could be better than having everybody with a cell phone suddenly aware of the description and plate number?

Sure, there’s possible abuse, but overall I think it would be a very useful thing.


31 posted on 05/10/2011 11:08:11 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Roninf5-1

There’s a pretty wide gulf between a simple emergency alert system and a Big Brother neighbor spy program. We already have the EBS on radio and TV and so far I haven’t suspected that my neighbors are using it to track my whereabouts. All this does is to extend the EBS to the new media of cell phones. Seems like a good idea.


32 posted on 05/10/2011 11:14:02 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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33 posted on 05/10/2011 11:28:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ctdonath2
give it a year and we'll be getting text messages about the heat index and SPF solar levels and when to wear SPF 45 sunscreen ...and a helmet for EPA pollution level alerts.

especially in a nanny state like NYC -mark my words.

34 posted on 05/10/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: ctdonath2
As someone in the hi-tech world, I can't count the number of ways this could be abused.

It's pre-pay cell phone time (before they outlaw them).

35 posted on 05/11/2011 8:50:43 AM PDT by jimjohn
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