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Operation Geronimo - dishonors the Indian leader???
LA Times ^ | May 10, 2011 | Karl Jacoby

Posted on 05/10/2011 9:00:00 AM PDT by CharlyFord

"Geronimo—ekia." With this coded message, sent on May 1, a U.S. Navy SEALs commando squad signaled the death of Osama bin Laden, the "enemy killed in action." The mission was pulled off without a hitch, but in the week since then, debate has raged in some circles about the code name.

The administration hasn't explained why the operation targeting Bin Laden used the name of one of the nation's best-known Native Americans, saying the selection process of names for such missions is confidential. But the use of Geronimo's name speaks to the powerful, if unexamined, hold that the nation's "Indian wars" continue to have on our popular consciousness.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: binladen; geronimo; politicallycorrect
They can't stop themselves! They gotta take turns!

How about the brave and fearless solders that accomplished this mission were wanting to honor one of Americas greatest warriors. Geronimo was known to be afraid of nothing. All that knew of him feared him. How would the libs honor Geronimo? Have a bake sale or car wash?

1 posted on 05/10/2011 9:00:04 AM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: CharlyFord

The man was once quoted as saying: “I have killed many Mexicans; I do not know how many, for frequently I did not count them. Some of them were not worth counting.”

Whatever you want to say about him as an enemy of the USA and Mexico Gerinimo was a warrior through and through. Osama sat back in luxury with many wives sending others on suicide attacks against civilians, or before that giving supplies to peasants fighting the Soviet war machine. He was a coward.


2 posted on 05/10/2011 9:03:14 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: CharlyFord
Operation Geronimo sounds like trying to take down Geronimo. Lets call liberals Benedict Arnold and see if they can recognize tier hypocrisy.
3 posted on 05/10/2011 9:13:29 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: CharlyFord

“debate has raged in some circles about the code name”

...what circles!? Libs are so predictable.


4 posted on 05/10/2011 9:15:12 AM PDT by albie
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To: CharlyFord

Geronimo would have been proud to lead a group of men who went deep into enemy territory and killed a hated enemy.

I bet he would be honored to have his named associated with a spec-op mission so bold and daring as this one was.


5 posted on 05/10/2011 9:15:37 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: CharlyFord
Its well past the time to STOP subsidy's to American Indian tribes.. They are so inbred now they are not anymore american indians than Tonto was.. Indian affairs in the U.S.A. has now become a socialist SCAM.. like the other socialist scams..

STOP THE BLEEDING OF AMERICAN RESOURCES.. CUT FEDERAL (and State) SUBSIDY'S..

6 posted on 05/10/2011 9:17:31 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: CharlyFord

I think it would seem to most it is honoring Geronimo, as it is about war and bravery!

Today, so many of the P.C. crowd are so preoccupied with offending someone (and usually one) and/or dishonoring another (at the expense of our freedom of speech).

Now I’m truly offended by the “Oh MY God” stuff that fills
the air and TV airways. (Plus all the MF’s, GD’s and SOB’s)
But I have comfort in knowing they (and I) shall give an account for every word.

I do love the following: “Neither is there salvation in any other name[Jesus] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him [Jesus], and given Him a name which is above every name.” (Philippians 2:9)


7 posted on 05/10/2011 9:17:41 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo

Based on the account given at the link, Geronimo is appropriate because of the “cave” incidents in both men’s lives, their numerous wives, numerous escapes from death, and the long pursuit before they were brought to justice.

In 1880s America, there wouldn’t have been a tear shed had the troopers blown Geronimo’s brains out instead of taking him prisoner.

Today, we have a whole section of the American public demanding special considerations for persons who, by their own admission, have repeatedly and unrepentently done evil to America and its allies. Go figure.


8 posted on 05/10/2011 9:18:11 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: CharlyFord

Free blankets for all.


9 posted on 05/10/2011 9:26:41 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: CharlyFord

Piss on the whiners. Call the next one Operation Phil Sheridan and see if that makes them feel any better.


10 posted on 05/10/2011 9:32:49 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: CharlyFord

Funny thing about it,is the name “Geronimo” isn’t even an Indian name....it’s Mexican,given to Geronimo (which actually means “Saint Jerome” in spanish)because,supposedly,when he set upon Mexican soldiers to kill them,they’d shout out the name of Saint Jerome (Geronimo). Wikipedia says so,so take it FWIW.


11 posted on 05/10/2011 9:36:24 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Captain Rhino

Hmm... interesting parallels. Thanks for the info I see that some people in the Armed Forces are finally getting back into good names for operations. A few years back this would have just been called “Operation Osama’s Death”.


12 posted on 05/10/2011 9:38:05 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: CharlyFord

“Operation Geronimo? That sounds retarded”, Lebron James


13 posted on 05/10/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Captain Rhino

***In 1880s America, there wouldn’t have been a tear shed had the troopers blown Geronimo’s brains out instead of taking him prisoner.****

Kind of like what happended to Mangas Coloradas (shot while trying to escape;-)
And Victorio. Shot by a soldier on foot after the soldier’s horse was killed (he really loved that horse).

Toss the whiners a bottle of fire water. That will settle them down.


14 posted on 05/10/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: CharlyFord

His name wasn’t even Geronimo. It was Goyahkla (or Goyathlay) meaning “one who yawns”. Geronimo is simply the Spanish form of Jerome.


15 posted on 05/10/2011 9:42:04 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: CharlyFord

If the Apache Nation had copyrighted Geronimo’s name and the SEALs had paid the licensing fee, I suspect this would not be an issue. See, it’s not about honoring or dishonoring an Indian leader (who wasn’t even known by that name anyway). It’s about power ... in this case, the power to control the language.

Indians do not own all references to Indian culture.


16 posted on 05/10/2011 9:43:07 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: gimme1ibertee

His name was Golyathe, “He Who Yawns” in Chiricahua. Except for Cochise, most of the Indian leaders of the Southwest were known to us by Spanish names: Victorio, Cuchillo Negro, Loco, Nana [Apache], Cuernas Verde [Comanche], Narbona, Manuelito, Barboncito [Navaho], Santanta [Kiowa]

As far as I know, the Mexicans haven’t complained about the use of the word “Geronimo”.


17 posted on 05/10/2011 9:45:28 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Captain Rhino

Geronimo was the bin Laden of his time.

Better to have called it Operation Lion Heart or better yet King Richard.


18 posted on 05/10/2011 9:45:28 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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19 posted on 05/10/2011 9:46:55 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: PzLdr
As far as I know, the Mexicans haven’t complained about the use of the word “Geronimo”.

LOL...It's all so silly.
We truly are a nation of whiners. I daresay,if ol'Golyathe were alive today,he'd be living up to his name....yawning,over the whole thing.
20 posted on 05/10/2011 9:56:22 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: muir_redwoods
El Correcto Mundo!

Goyathlay: The Yawner
Geronimo: Jerome
The story I heard is the Mexican soldiers were heard praying to St. Jerome to save them. Anglos hearing them cry out to Geronimo thought that was Goyathlay’s name.
Geronimo stuck, Goyathlay was lost in history.

21 posted on 05/10/2011 10:07:03 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: CharlyFord

The way it was first reported, Geronimo was the code name for Bin Laden. It was not the name of the “operation”. But, heck, all the other details have changed almost daily for a week, so who really knows?

But it seems like a good match as Geronimo was basically a terrorist who was pursued for years by the U.S. and the Mexicans before his capture. They didn’t spend all that time and effort chasing Geronimo for his autograph.


22 posted on 05/10/2011 10:11:35 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: albie

“what circles!?”

Race hustling circles.


23 posted on 05/10/2011 10:38:35 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Americanexpat

Urban II or Godfrey


24 posted on 05/10/2011 10:47:01 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: CharlyFord

kinda makes me wish the Seals had all worn North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey sweaters...


25 posted on 05/10/2011 11:03:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: CharlyFord
Actually, Goyathlay was pursued by the U.S. Army for approximately 5 years before he agreed to turn himself in. He surrendered himself without being surrounded or even close to being found. Otherwise it may have taken ten years to capture or kill him.
26 posted on 05/11/2011 8:58:38 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: CharlyFord
Actually, Goyathlay was pursued by the U.S. Army for approximately 5 years before he agreed to turn himself in. He surrendered himself without being surrounded or even close to being found. Otherwise it may have taken ten years to capture or kill him.
27 posted on 05/11/2011 8:58:47 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: CharlyFord
Actually, Goyathlay was pursued by the U.S. Army for approximately 5 years before he agreed to turn himself in. He surrendered himself without being surrounded or even close to being found. Otherwise it may have taken ten years to capture or kill him.
28 posted on 05/11/2011 8:58:57 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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