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DOJ to Congress: Make ISPs keep tabs on users
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Posted on 05/10/2011 9:54:32 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

DOJ to Congress: Make ISPs keep tabs on users

By: Tony Romm May 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT

As a new Senate privacy panel considers the data collected by iPhones, Androids and BlackBerrys, the Department of Justice is reminding lawmakers that it needs Internet providers to store more data about their users to help with federal investigations.

Current law doesn't require those Internet service providers to "retain any data for any particular length of time," although some already do, said Jason Weinstein, deputy assistant attorney general at the DOJ's Criminal Division. And many wireless companies — which must collect some data — also "do not retain records that would enable law enforcement to identify a suspect's smartphone based on the IP address collected by websites the suspect visited," he noted in prepared testimony.

That's why Weinstein urged the Senate Judiciary’s Privacy, Technology and the Law subcommittee on Tuesday to consider data-retention legislation as it weighs new privacy efforts in the digital age. The top DOJ official said such a congressional fix would boost the agency's ability to investigate privacy breaches, prosecute other digital crimes and ferret out abuses in the offline world.

"Those records are an absolutely necessary link in the investigative chain," Weinstein told the panel.

Data retention has proven to be a particularly divisive issue in the privacy community. Some top tech stakeholders believe it would allow companies and law enforcement agencies too much access to consumers' personal information, such as the websites they visit. The resulting caches of information could further be subject to data breach, many argue.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; datacollection; dataretention; doj; dojisajoke; donttreadonme; govtabuse; internet; isps; privacy; rapeofliberty; smartphones; tyranny

1 posted on 05/10/2011 9:54:34 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
"Those records are an absolutely necessary link in the investigative chain," Weinstein told the panel.

Translation: Let's take more freedom's from the innocent citizen so our lazy asses don't have to work so hard.

2 posted on 05/10/2011 9:57:29 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Sub-Driver

Another burden upon private industry.

Do they think that keeping track of all this is free and doesn’t take any time or resources?

Also, they’d invariably impose some kind of criminal penalty on the ISPs to enforce this.

The only companies that could comply with this are larger enterprises and would lead to consolidation in the industry.

Fewer players = easier to control/coerce.


3 posted on 05/10/2011 10:06:34 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

While this has nothing to do with catching terrorists or illegal aliens, you can bet that if Obama is re-elected and Holder is retained that this will be about who visited Free Republic. Now is the time to start capturing, printing, and binding the information on the internet that you find to be valuable because the day is coming - soon - that this will be a restricted medium.


4 posted on 05/10/2011 10:16:14 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Michael Barnes

Exactly, goes for the ‘police’ too. The entire bunch are lazy and pretty much incompetent. OTOH any number of law and order types here will tell us why we’re wrong. Us little people just need to sit down and get over the loss of our freedoms b/c security is far more important.


5 posted on 05/10/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by 556x45
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6 posted on 05/10/2011 10:34:56 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Sub-Driver

Remind me why we vote these people into office.


7 posted on 05/10/2011 10:37:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Sub-Driver

There is a niche for a company to market a plan that does not retain ANY data from users for more than 30 minutes[or so]...a contnous loop of gather and dump. The phone would work, gps would work but no records are kept...not necessary anyway.

They only do it because they can....not the government wants YOUR data too...whenever they decide they want it.

I bet someone could get mighty rich developing such a model...


8 posted on 05/10/2011 10:38:13 AM PDT by Adder (Say NO the the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Sub-Driver

FU DOJ


9 posted on 05/10/2011 10:39:37 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: Adder

CONTINUOUS

NOW the government...

{The offending fingies have been sent to reeducatuion camps...]


10 posted on 05/10/2011 10:40:07 AM PDT by Adder (Say NO the the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’d like to know what’s the difference between the government invading your privacy without a warrant (i.e. going on a “fishing expedition” to look for something wrong without probable cause) and the government requiring private companies to do the same thing? Why would such a law or regulation be Constitutional (well, besides the fact that the Constitution has become a mere figleaf over the last 75-80 years)?


11 posted on 05/10/2011 10:43:19 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Sub-Driver

The DOJ seems to forget there is a 4th Amendment. They can’t do
what they want without probable cause and a wire tap warrant
specifically identifying what they are seeking. One warrant at a time
for each person whose privacy they have a reasonable justification to
invade.


12 posted on 05/10/2011 10:48:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Sub-Driver

and sadly we will be forced to rely on a bunch of leftists from the ACLU and the National Library Guild to carry the ball on this


13 posted on 05/10/2011 10:55:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Yet_Again

The fix:

Every connection will have to go out encrypted and then through an off shore anonymous proxy. Kind of pain but not very hard to set up.


14 posted on 05/10/2011 11:09:00 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Sub-Driver

“...it needs Internet providers to store more data about their users to help with federal investigations.”

No, the 4th Ammendment says you don’t!


15 posted on 05/10/2011 11:09:24 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Sub-Driver

Congress should respond to Holder that he should pound sand.


16 posted on 05/10/2011 11:09:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sub-Driver

Somebody tell Holder he needs to resign now before Obama is forced to throw him under the bus.


17 posted on 05/10/2011 11:40:37 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: G Larry

Doesn’t apply. Lots of cases have determined that. Since it is a third party, it isn’t “yours”.


18 posted on 05/10/2011 11:42:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Michael Barnes

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2011/04/holder-his-doj-scuttled-case-against.html


19 posted on 05/10/2011 11:42:37 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver

People TO AG HOLDER

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/02/26/breaking-down-corruptocrat-ag-eric-holders-stonewall/


20 posted on 05/10/2011 11:44:03 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Again I say...



21 posted on 05/10/2011 11:49:20 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: Adder
I bet someone could get mighty rich developing such a model...

You'd get no funding and no infrastructure support. Silicon Valley is owned lock, stock and barrel by the very worst of the Left.

22 posted on 05/10/2011 1:51:41 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Myrddin

The DOJ wishes to inform you that it’s probable ‘cause they want to do it. / Neener-neener-neener.
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23 posted on 05/10/2011 2:27:55 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: redgolum

Uh...The Feds don’t own or regulate the internet or ISP’s!!!!
They have no authority to demand traceability!!


24 posted on 05/10/2011 2:39:51 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Sub-Driver

The DOJ is a criminal enterprise.


25 posted on 05/10/2011 4:43:41 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Myrddin
The DOJ seems to forget there is a 4th Amendment. They can’t do what they want without probable cause

But, but, ... If you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to hide ... right? RIGHT!?

/sarc off

26 posted on 05/10/2011 6:15:43 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: Sub-Driver

ISP = Internet Spying Program!!!


27 posted on 05/12/2011 12:33:35 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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