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Mississippi River flooding in New Orleans area could be massive if Morganza spillway stays closed
The Times-Picayune ^ | 5.11.11 | Mark Schleifstein

Posted on 05/11/2011 8:09:34 AM PDT by trumandogz

If the Morganza Floodway is not opened to funnel 300,000 cubic feet per second of water from the Mississippi River into the Atchafalaya River basin, the additional water could cause levees to fail along the river from Morganza to Plaquemines Parish, including all of the New Orleans area, resulting in as much as 25 feet of floodwater, according to a map provided to state officials by the Army Corps of Engineers on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
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The will have to open the Morganza.
1 posted on 05/11/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Stuck on repeat?


2 posted on 05/11/2011 8:12:27 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: trumandogz

Have they got the Old River Control Structure secured? Seems to me they had a real close call a few years ago where it almost washed away changing the course of the Mississippi for ever.


3 posted on 05/11/2011 8:15:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: trumandogz

4 posted on 05/11/2011 8:16:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ├čudda├čudd

How does Obama feel about black people?

Just wondering. When will that great philosopher/conscience of the nation, Kanye West, weigh in on the racial feelings of the president? He likes to weigh in on same at times of disasters happening in areas with significant black population.


5 posted on 05/11/2011 8:16:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: trumandogz
...including all of the New Orleans area...

Who is the present mayor of New Orleans, any changes in the last couple of years?

6 posted on 05/11/2011 8:16:37 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ClearCase_guy

True dat. Obama is going to let New Orleans drown because he hates black people.


7 posted on 05/11/2011 8:17:42 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: EGPWS

Jindel says it isn’t a matter of if these will be opened..but when.


8 posted on 05/11/2011 8:18:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: DManA

The Atchafalaya River will capture the Mississippi, its only a matter of time. Building the levees higher, diverting through the Morganza, etc., etc. are just going to delay the inevitable for a few more years.


9 posted on 05/11/2011 8:18:45 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: ClearCase_guy

In retrospect, I don’t understand why Kanye West was even on that charity telethon after Katrina. Is a rap singer really a legitimate entertainer in the first place?

Maybe I’m behind the times, but I thought rap was obscene, and full of violent imagery. I thought those “performers” were in the shadows of the entertainment business, not unlike the way pornography is in the shadows. Yet it seems that rap has really been forced into the mainstream. Just an observation.


10 posted on 05/11/2011 8:18:45 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: centurion316

I’m not bullish on New Orleans long term.


11 posted on 05/11/2011 8:20:27 AM PDT by DManA
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12 posted on 05/11/2011 8:20:35 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: trumandogz

My problem is they are blowing holes in the dams and such to flood farm land. What do they think that’s going to do to our food sources and prices? It sounds hard hearted I know, but, you either let the towns flood and it affects them more or less alone. Or you flood farm land and it affects everyone. With the possibility of a food shortages.


13 posted on 05/11/2011 8:20:53 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: caww

It is it bit strange that they would write a “what if” article since it is well established that the Morganza will be opened.

And not only will the Morganza be opened, but I would not be surprised to see levees below NOLA dynamited.


14 posted on 05/11/2011 8:21:40 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

You know damn well if the SHTF in New Orleans, Jindal will get all the blame.


15 posted on 05/11/2011 8:21:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: caww

I concluded from what I was reading a couple days ago that they would open the Morganza. This article contains the justification.


16 posted on 05/11/2011 8:22:14 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: MsLady

It would be much more expensive to intentionally flood New Orleans than it would be to intentionally flood some farmland.


17 posted on 05/11/2011 8:24:00 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: swain_forkbeard

They reallly have no choice. Very disturbing how these flood waters are affecting the whole stretch of the Missippi and it’s tributaries. Doesn’t look like many will escape the affects, one way or another. Including the nation as a whole.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 8:26:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: swain_forkbeard

Bingo.


19 posted on 05/11/2011 8:26:58 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: DManA
This is the Mississippi ~ whatever we have in the way can be swept aside at any moment.

The river has been changing channels now for a couple of centuries. Eventually it comes out at Morgan City ~ and that's a certainty.

Did you see what the OHIO FORK (the largest Mississippi tributary) did at the end of the last Major Glaciation? It cut clean through the limestone floor to connect with its upper reaches ~ you need to read about the TEAYS river to get a feel for it.

The Ohio is actually larger than the Mississippi (in CF/M) where the two join.

Fortunately for the lower reaches of the river, the flood control features built over the last 80 years along the upper reaches seem to be working decently so the flood should be over sometime this year rather than next year!

20 posted on 05/11/2011 8:27:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: trumandogz
In the long run, the cheapest option may be to move New Orleans to a new location -- one which is less flood prone.

IMO, it's a troubled city in a bad location.

21 posted on 05/11/2011 8:29:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: MsLady

Historically, flood zones had the best cropland ‘cuz natural organic nutrients would get dumped there. Working with it can give good results.

Our modern approach of containing and preventing floods is the unnatural solution leading to questionable results.

The farmland will recover fast. The cities won’t (though maybe it will be a wake-up call to DON’T BUILD CITIES IN A FLOOD ZONE).


22 posted on 05/11/2011 8:30:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: dfwgator

The S has already HTF in New Orleans. The place is a mess.

Look at the Japanese. They’re not sitting around complaining. They are working to restore their country. Compare the Japanese with the folks in NOLA. They’ll still be whining 5 years from now.


23 posted on 05/11/2011 8:31:32 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Dilbert San Diego

it was okay for Texas to burn,for Nashville and now Memphis to be flooded, and all the thousands of acres of mid America farm country to be devastated by tornadoes and now floods, but gee the Chocolate City?....I’ll bet we’ll see National Guard bailing by bucket in the near future...maybe we can spend another $90,000 on EACH N’Orleans resident like we did following Katrina....


24 posted on 05/11/2011 8:31:58 AM PDT by cherry
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To: muawiyah
Half the continent drains through this tiny channel in La. The force if the water flowing there now really is inconceivable.
25 posted on 05/11/2011 8:33:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: cherry

I wonder if Sean Penn is already there with his Dixie Cups.


26 posted on 05/11/2011 8:33:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MsLady
Levees only go so far then you get the big thousand year storm and it floods on both sides.

Best you put big holes in them now so they'll drain off before August!

27 posted on 05/11/2011 8:34:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ctdonath2

Some of those area’s that are flooding I don’t think have flood in decades. But, I suppose your right. I just saw a farmer crying the other day because his farm land is underwater. I do feel badly for the farmers. The work so hard and most of them make so little.


28 posted on 05/11/2011 8:34:37 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: dfwgator

Jindal has already warned people to get ready to move out.

I can easily see the idiots in New Orleans sitting on their lard butts waiting to be rescued and saved by the gubmint.

I wonder if the Super Dome is up to a repeat of 2005?


29 posted on 05/11/2011 8:35:18 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: trumandogz

Where’s Brownie when we need him?


30 posted on 05/11/2011 8:35:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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Jindal has already warned people to get ready to move out.

Won't matter, it will still be his fault.

31 posted on 05/11/2011 8:36:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DManA
And again, over half that water flows through a tiny channel at Cairo where the far more voluminous Ohio joins the Mississippi.

So why, you might ask, are there people living in New Orleans and Cairo, and that would be a good question. Cairo is in a long term state of serious decay and depopulation. Paducah and Evansville, far safer from the river's course, have taken on the burdens of human commerce in the Delta.

32 posted on 05/11/2011 8:36:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MsLady

But there are less votes damaged when you flood farms.


33 posted on 05/11/2011 8:37:41 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ctdonath2

NOt just a “flood zone”, but a “Flood Path”. New Orleans is literally the bed of the Mississippi lower delta. There’s no excuse for building below sealevel!


34 posted on 05/11/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EGPWS
The mayor is Mitch Landrieu, baby brother to Mary.

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35 posted on 05/11/2011 8:40:13 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: trumandogz

I suppose but, how hard is it to control something like water? The end results can be good or bad. My guess is there is now good way of predicting that. I feel terrible for the people that are caught in this. What a mess. The thing about building cities in flood areas is, some of those areas don’t flood very often. I would think you could say the same thing about earthquake zones. Unless it’s an area that gets flood pretty often, like maybe ever decade, I’d say just stay put but, be prepared and try to get flood insurance if you can.


36 posted on 05/11/2011 8:41:08 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: muawiyah

I don’t minimize the pain and expense of abandoning those sites but I agree, when you look at the plain facts it seems like a no brainer. Especially Cairo. According to Wiki the population is only 2,831. Come on.


37 posted on 05/11/2011 8:41:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MsLady
A million cfs? Are you kidding?

I suppose but, how hard is it to control something like water?

38 posted on 05/11/2011 8:42:31 AM PDT by DManA
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To: trumandogz

Interesting link:

False River Background

http://www.wetmaap.org/False_River/Suppliment/fr_background.html


39 posted on 05/11/2011 8:44:53 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: MsLady

There is a huge misconception about the frequency of flooding in New Orleans. For example, I own a few houses in New Orleans, one of which has been in the family for 80 years and it has never flooded. New Orleans does not flood often, but it does flood big when it does flood.

Other parts of the city have flooded in 1965 and 2005 due to hurricanes which makes New Orleans much less flood prone than areas in the upper Mississippi and Missouri Rivers.


40 posted on 05/11/2011 8:48:53 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: DManA
There are lots of other folks in the lower Delta living out around all over the place. They'll tell you blowing up levees in Missouri helps just Cairo, but it also protects the entire agricultural area in the Illinois part of the Delta.

One more time, the Delta is the main fancy bean growing area in the world. Mexico has a contract on about 90% of the bean crop there. This is their meat.

By protecting the Delta Bean Crop we keep 35 million Mexicans in Mexico and I think that is an excellent idea, don't you?!

41 posted on 05/11/2011 8:49:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You have obviously thought about this much more thoroughly than I have. Many trade offs to be considered.


42 posted on 05/11/2011 8:52:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MsLady
how hard is it to control something like water?

I can't believe you posted that.

43 posted on 05/11/2011 8:54:48 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Does she have an album release soon?


44 posted on 05/11/2011 8:55:22 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: CajunConservative
The mayor is Mitch Landrieu, baby brother to Mary.

Oh, a Louisiana co-owner.

I just wondered if that "whip crack" Ray Nagin was still there.

45 posted on 05/11/2011 9:00:46 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

Louisiana - Half under water, the other half under indictment.


46 posted on 05/11/2011 9:03:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MsLady
It sounds hard hearted I know, but, you either let the towns flood and it affects them more or less alone. Or you flood farm land and it affects everyone. With the possibility of a food shortages.

In the context of this thread, it's not just cities like New Orleans that have to be weighed against farmland. You have to factor in the majority of the Lower Mississippi River Industrial Corridor (including the Shell Norco refinery) as well.

47 posted on 05/11/2011 9:04:27 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: DManA

Cairo is two-thirds black. End of case.


48 posted on 05/11/2011 9:08:33 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: EGPWS

Nagin has been busy writing his memoirs.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/former_new_orleans_mayor_ray_n_3.html


49 posted on 05/11/2011 9:12:00 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Jeff Chandler
Why? You missed the context and my point of what I said. They are trying to control the flow of water. It's impossible.

I suppose but, how hard is it to control something like water? The end results can be good or bad.

50 posted on 05/11/2011 9:14:11 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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