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High-speed train trip going nowhere
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/11/11 | Dan Walters

Posted on 05/11/2011 12:52:25 PM PDT by SmithL

California's chronic inability to govern itself has made it an international laughingstock with a blistering article in the Economist, a highbrow British magazine, only the latest manifestation of that unfortunate status.

The state now has another opportunity to either cement its image as a civic buffoon or begin acting like an adult. It is the disaster-in-waiting known as the high-speed rail project.

On a whim, politicians and voters decided a few years ago that a bullet train connecting the northern and southern halves of the state would be a jim-dandy thing to have, even though nobody knew how much it would cost, whether it would generate enough riders to justify whatever the cost might be, or whether the money could be obtained.

The state High-Speed Rail Authority, made up of politicians and political appointees with side agendas, has supposedly been working on the details. But we still don't know how much it would cost, what the ridership would likely be or what would be the sources of construction money.

Even so, the rail authority authorized construction of a $5 billion initial line from nowhere to nowhere in the San Joaquin Valley because the federal government gave it some money and dictated that it be spent there.

Why? Probably to boost the 2010 re-election chances of a Fresno congressman, Democrat Jim Costa, who faced a tough challenge.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; choochoo; goldenstate; highspeedrail; porkbarrel; rail; train; willie; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 05/11/2011 12:52:30 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

When considering high speed rail, has anyone looked at the number of accidents with regular trains and what would happen if an accident occured at speeds of 100mph? How may people would say could survive a wreck like that.


2 posted on 05/11/2011 12:57:07 PM PDT by RC2
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To: SmithL
We get the same $hit here in NY .......... "by Rep. Louise Slaughter - New York's path to a renewed economy is high-speed rail."
WTF? These scumbags are sooooo out of touch with reality it's scary.
3 posted on 05/11/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SmithL

a classic ‘ high-speed ‘ rail job

when will voters learn?


4 posted on 05/11/2011 12:58:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: SmithL

I voted against this bottomless crap-hole of an idea, but did they listen to me? NooOOoooOOOo. At least with aircraft, the Satan worshiping goat humpers only have a good shot at it during take off and landing.


5 posted on 05/11/2011 1:01:18 PM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: RC2

the tax money leaves your ownership at high-speed, the rest is Willie Green BS.


6 posted on 05/11/2011 1:04:05 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: SmithL

That’s today’s liberals: winning the future with 19th century technology.


7 posted on 05/11/2011 1:04:52 PM PDT by jpl
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To: SmithL
the Economist, a highbrow British magazine

Make that a high LEFT eyebrow British Magazine

8 posted on 05/11/2011 1:24:16 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: SmithL

When you can fly on Southwest for sixty nine bucks from Oakland to L.A.......WHY??


9 posted on 05/11/2011 1:25:51 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RC2
I can't imagine a high-speed passenger service on the existing trackage. If that train ever collided with another train, vehicles at uncontrolled crossings, people or animals, it would be catastrophic.

It would have to be BART writ large: completely grade-separated, new stations, etc. And who is the ridership for this without massive subsidies? If it is in the Central Valley, what would it connect - Sacramento to Fresno?

10 posted on 05/11/2011 1:27:15 PM PDT by RhoTheta ("We're from the Government, and we're here to help you ... NOT")
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To: SmithL

Man...that sucks.....seems we have to bus the miscreants to Bakersfield before having the luxury of riding them out of town on a rail......tar and feathers optional.


11 posted on 05/11/2011 1:28:54 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: SmithL
High-speed train trip going nowhere, and Willie Green is again deeply saddened.
12 posted on 05/11/2011 1:31:26 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The American taxpayer cannot support the tax and spend habits of DC.)
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To: SmithL
Forget about it!....
13 posted on 05/11/2011 1:31:43 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SmithL
High speed trains produce high speed train unions.
14 posted on 05/11/2011 1:50:45 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Palin: More woman than Michelle. More man than Barack.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Because the illegals do not have to show id to ride a train.


15 posted on 05/11/2011 1:57:40 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: RC2

The liberal news stations ( That would be all of them) in Florida are moaning about how Gov. Scott gave the 2.5 Billion back that will now go to other states. As Gov. Scott points out, we already lose 35 million + per year on the Light rail system in Dade, Broward and Palm beach counties, probably the highest population density in the state. Enjoy your Avocado’s CA


16 posted on 05/11/2011 1:58:01 PM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: SmithL
Road to Nowhere
17 posted on 05/11/2011 2:00:48 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: RC2
Ask Elijah Price aka Mr. Glass

18 posted on 05/11/2011 2:00:55 PM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: SmithL

Those who govern in CA are truly idiots. The problem is not in need for HS rail but the need for more available mass trasportation. If the Redline was still running to all of its original points in the LA basin, the railcars would be continuously overflowing with riders and probably profitable. But nooooo, the want to travel fast and underground. I can only imagine what LA might look like today if they allowed Walt Disney to build the monorail system he offered them for free.


19 posted on 05/11/2011 2:03:14 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: SmithL
Why would you build a hi-speed rail system in a state that is waiting for the Big One? Picture a train traveling very, very fast when the ground suddenly heaves beneath the rails.

Even if the Big One is not a worry to you the tracks are still going to cross fault lines that move some number of inches per year that has to be a concern to a train traveling over 100 miles per hour.

20 posted on 05/11/2011 2:11:42 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: oh8eleven

Just watch the Simpson’s rerun of the Springfield Monorail episode. That was applicable to Johnson’s Fast Ferry and high speed rail.

BTW - Guess who LOVES high speed rail...


21 posted on 05/11/2011 2:15:51 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: SmithL

New Mexico’s rail link between Santa Fe and Albuquerque is bankrupting the state and soaking up all their transportation dollars. And that is not a high speed system and is much less ambitious.


22 posted on 05/11/2011 2:16:10 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SmithL
It is the disaster-in-waiting known as the high-speed rail project.

I guess they did NOT learn their lesson with BART!

http://www.bart.gov/about/history/index.aspx

23 posted on 05/11/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SmithL

24 posted on 05/11/2011 2:30:46 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: NormsRevenge
when will voters learn?

Oh; we've LEARNED all right; but the BASTARDS keep stealing our money anyway!

25 posted on 05/11/2011 2:36:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I hear ya..

Too bad a moratorium couldn’t be imposed in blowing dough we don’t have on equipment built and services provided by foreign companies.. but then , that wouldn’t be big gubamint runamuck which is pretty much par for the course these days.

We lack leadership and the resolve to do the intelligent thing and not the PC thing w/o regard for cost, near- and long-term, and sensibility.


26 posted on 05/11/2011 2:42:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: the anti-liberal
"Meanwhile, federal monies had begun flowing into the project at an increasing rate, making possible a wide range of improvements over the original system plan. BART's widely-known "linear park", for example, was constructed under the aerial right-of-way through Albany and El Cerrito to demonstrate how function could combine with aesthetics to enhance community environments. A $7.5 million program for systemwide landscaping and right-of-way beautification was partly funded by several of the largest federal grants ever made for this purpose. Of the $160 million base cost of BART's 450-car fleet, 64 percent was funded by federal grants." Our F***** taxes!!!

Federal Money: It just falls outta thin air for EVERYONE to enjoy!

27 posted on 05/11/2011 2:42:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dutch Boy
BTW - Guess who LOVES high speed rail...
Michler.
Maybe you could use it to get Antonio out of Roch - fast.
28 posted on 05/11/2011 3:34:27 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Dutch Boy
Louise also neglects to mention how the high speed rail will go high speed
when the tracks between Buffalo and Albany look like this six months of the year ...

Feckin' idiots.
29 posted on 05/11/2011 3:41:44 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

We will need tens of thousands of Unionized rail track snow removers.


30 posted on 05/11/2011 5:03:00 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Unless Reagan rises from the dead, we can easily find at least one reason to skip a leading GOPer.)
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To: NoLibZone

Sadly, you are correct.


31 posted on 05/12/2011 5:48:36 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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