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What Is Gold Really Worth?
Forbes ^ | 05/12/2011 | Louis Woodhill

Posted on 05/12/2011 7:09:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What is gold really worth? In one sense, the answer is obvious. Gold is worth $1,515.10/oz, because that is what it is trading for in the market as of this writing. However, all this number means is that an ounce of gold has 1,515.1 times the market value of our current, undefined, “fiat” dollar.

A deeper and more interesting question is, “What should gold be worth?” In other words, in terms of what quantity of gold would we define the dollar if we wanted to have a stable currency, a stable economy, and stable financial markets?

This is not just an academic question. The dollar is experiencing a crisis of confidence. Our undefined, unstable dollar caused the crash of late 2008, and it is the principal problem behind what is unfolding as the slowest economic recovery on record.

Right now, the dollar problem is chronic and debilitating, but it could become acute and economically life threatening at any moment. In an acute dollar crisis, Congress would be forced to act, and the action that would best address the problem would be to define the dollar in terms of gold.

The idea of defining the value of the dollar in terms of the value of a fixed weight of gold is not a radical notion. The radical—and ultimately unworkable—notion is for the dollar, which is our basic unit of market value, to have no legal definition. Our undefined, floating dollar is producing the same kind of economic chaos that we would expect if we had a “floating” second, pound (mass), or foot.

The cost of coping with this economic chaos is enormous and growing. It shows up in many different ways, including anemic real GDP growth, wild swings in gasoline prices, 9.0% unemployment, stagnating real median incomes, and rising inequality.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: devaluation; dollar; gold; silver
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1 posted on 05/12/2011 7:09:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Gold is worth the same as it’s always been. A high quality custom tailored men’s suit.


2 posted on 05/12/2011 7:12:21 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I had gold, I would take what I can get now and run. It’s going to drop like a rock this summer.


3 posted on 05/12/2011 7:13:47 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: SeekAndFind

Gold won’t be worth more than copper when my team completes it’s atomic compositor and generates pure gold from simple raw materials. You have been warned.


4 posted on 05/12/2011 7:14:41 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Dixie Yooper

give me a pound of gold and I will give you a pound of suits.


5 posted on 05/12/2011 7:19:00 AM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: SeekAndFind

At this moment, about $1490.00.


6 posted on 05/12/2011 7:19:54 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: montag813
Gold won’t be worth more than copper when my team completes it’s atomic compositor and generates pure gold from simple raw materials. You have been warned.


7 posted on 05/12/2011 7:20:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernanke(BurnYankee) can do on a scale what no alchemist dared dreamed.


8 posted on 05/12/2011 7:25:19 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
"Gold is worth the same as it’s always been. A high quality custom tailored men’s suit."

That's a ridiculous myth pushed by gold salesmen.

The price of men's suits have not gone up 620% in the past 10 years. And in the 1980's the price of men's suits didn't suddenly jump to $860 only to fall back to half of that 3 months later.

9 posted on 05/12/2011 7:25:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gadsden1st

Good quality men’s suit $1460.00

http://www.bluefly.com/Armani-Mens-Suits/_/N-1z140jiZ7qkZapt8/designerslist.fly?referer=Rmsn&cm_mmc=EF-_-MSN-_-Sui_D_A_Arman_M-_-Dynamic&ef_id=TLGrqgqoEGMAACPE8aQAABco:20110512141415:s


10 posted on 05/12/2011 7:26:06 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever one can get for it.


11 posted on 05/12/2011 7:26:23 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: DannyTN

We are not talking about a J C Penny suit.


12 posted on 05/12/2011 7:27:48 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st
"We are not talking about a J C Penny suit."

We are not talking about any man's suit ever made.

The only suit that the price of gold actually tracks would be a man's suit made out of gold itself.

13 posted on 05/12/2011 7:29:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

See Post 10


14 posted on 05/12/2011 7:31:34 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Dixie Yooper

Rather than a man’s suit, I would use a loaf of bread.
With bread you could go back a 1000 years if you wanted.

What was the cost of a loaf of bread when we were on the gold standard and you could pay for it with gold?

What is the cost of a loaf of bread today?
This would be the same amount gold as above.
Cost of Bread / Amount of Gold.

I may do this today if I have a chance.


15 posted on 05/12/2011 7:32:31 AM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

Like duh.
Everything is on the internet.

Go here.

http://www.coins-auctioned.com/docs/coin-articles/history-of-gold-ounce-price-comparison-to-a-loaf-of-bread


16 posted on 05/12/2011 7:35:13 AM PDT by super7man
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To: DannyTN

In the late 50’s you could buy a gallon of gas for a couple of silver dimes. Today you can buy a gallon of gas for a couple of silver dimes and get change. Yes, I know you would have to stop at a coin store on the way to convert it. I have no interst in selling gold or silver, but denial is not good for your pocket book. I don’t understand the emotional reaction some have to the mention of gold or silver.


17 posted on 05/12/2011 7:37:19 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: rokkitapps

Your comment will go down in history as THE textbook example of a MISSED POINT!

Here’s another that I’m certain will totally elude you: With the “dollar” (actually a Rederal Reserve Accounting Unit Denominator or F.R.A.U.D.) currently at 1/33rd of an oz. of SILVER, gas is now selling for around $.20 a gallon — IN PRE ‘65 90% SILVER DIMES!


18 posted on 05/12/2011 7:38:11 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Contrary to popular belief, gold has very little intrinsic value.


19 posted on 05/12/2011 7:41:44 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: montag813
Gold won’t be worth more than copper . . .

This is the key issue. What makes gold valuable? If it's just because we decide that it's valuable - that is, if it's just because we use it as a medium of exchange - then it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. There is no inherent value in the medium of exchange, only what it can get for you. That's why 'paper' dollars were 'worth as much' as silver dollars when they first came out.

It would be as logical to tie the value of the dollar to some fraction of the cost of 1 carat diamonds, or of anything else that is durable and sufficiently rare that the supply can be controlled, yet not so rare that there aren't enough of them to go around as the exchange medium.

Gold is intrinsically valuable because it does not corrode, is essentially impervious to solvents, is malleable enough to be worked easily, and shines up nicely. These features would make it useful for jewelry and some electronic applications even if it weren't used as an financial reference. In that light, it is exactly the right question to ask whether gold is "worth" more or less than copper, which is a better conductor (an inherent value) but not as resistant to corrosion or solvents.

Any 'value' statement other than intrinsic utility is artificial. Changing from one artificial way to measure value (things like commodity price of gold that is based solely on what people will pay for it), to another artificial measure (linking the dollar to the price of gold where the value is still essentially what people will pay for it), doesn't really change anything.

Linking the value of the dollar to an array of items of intrinsic value, like a specific quality car, or a specific quality men's suit, or a loaf of bread, or a gallon of gasoline would make more sense, except . . . that's what we do now.

However, there is one other key issue where dollars are different. You can print as many of them as you choose. Since the potential supply is infinite, there is nothing that can make the demand (the actual value) stable. The reason gold is trading for so much today is because there are so many dollars available to spend on gold. The reason it's an inflation hedge is because people think the government is going to make a lot more dollars without a corresponding increase in the number of gallons of gasoline, or men's suits, or loaves of bread. The reason it might make sense to link it to gold is that then you couldn't just print as many as you want (or else people would just use them to buy the more-or-less fixed quantity of gold), but if gold is overvalued right now (and I think it is) then we'd be better off linking it to something that has a more rational price in comparison to things of intrinsic value.


20 posted on 05/12/2011 7:42:17 AM PDT by Phlyer
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