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Family: Teacher Forbids Boy From Hanging U.S. Flag Pic Because It Might Offend Others
The Blaze ^ | 5/12/2011 | Jonathon M. Seidl

Posted on 05/13/2011 3:08:21 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer

An 11-year-old boy in Orange, MA is in the middle of flag controversy after he and his family claim one of his teachers banned him from hanging a picture of an American flag he drew in the classroom because it might offend other students. The boy‘s dad is adamant his son’s civil rights were violated. But the school has a different take, and says the prohibition was because the boy disobeyed instruction

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: blue; family; flag; hanging; orange; orangema; orangemass; red; school; teacher; white
Long may it wave.
1 posted on 05/13/2011 3:08:24 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

If the boy burned the flag instead, the school would hail him as a hero.
Wonder how they’d hail someone for burning the flags of the left’s favorite dictatorships?


2 posted on 05/13/2011 3:11:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

The kid was supposed to working on other studies at the time he was drawing the picture. They have the pledge every morning and fly the American Flag outside the school. On this story, I would not blame the school. The kid was not doing what he was supposed too. Of course the brat will be made a hero and probably receive a free scholarship to college......Unbelievable.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 3:21:25 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
“According to Frankie Girard’s father, John, the boy was in art class drawing a picture.”

“Superintendent, Dr. Paul Burnim. He refused to go on camera, but told 22News over the phone that nobody ever told Franklin the drawing was offensive, and said the only reason it wasn’t hung was because Franklin was supposed to be doing other work; not drawing a picture.”

Which is it....an Art class or not....other work is rather ambiguous.

Since when is drawing a flag and wanting to display it a situation of consternation?

4 posted on 05/13/2011 3:37:36 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: napscoordinator

You may be right here...but it could also be the typical backfilling.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 3:38:37 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Puckster

All I know is this is one reason why kids are getting away with everything. They have decided that paying attention and doing what they are supposed to be doing are out the window. If the art class called for doing whatever picture you want and the school didn’t like what he drew that would be one thing, but if you are supposed to draw what the teacher asked and the kid decided to draw what he wanted, I could see the school getting upset. Regardless these kids are the future and they have an entitlement thinking that does not help America at all. All this would be mute if parents would all homeschool their kids. Since that is not happening than the kids have to do with the school gives as assignments.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 3:42:06 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
"...Of course the brat will be made a hero and probably receive a free scholarship to college......Unbelievable...."

My, that would be quite the change, wouldn't it? Kid who made an issue out of an issue with respect for his country getting a scholarship instead of a leftist kid who feels he is discriminated against and wins a big lawsuit and fame because he wants to wear heels and a dress to the junior prom.

That would indeed be unbelievable!

7 posted on 05/13/2011 3:46:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

The kids 11. No means no...Some kids that age just don’t get it.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 3:47:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Darksheare

...”If the boy burned the flag instead, the school would hail him as a hero.
Wonder how they’d hail someone for burning the flags of the left’s favorite dictatorships?”...

Right! This is how the communists and worse take over a nation..We have learned NOTHING from history.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 3:52:21 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: napscoordinator
"The kid was supposed to working on other studies at the time he was drawing the picture. They have the pledge every morning and fly the American Flag outside the school. On this story, I would not blame the school. The kid was not doing what he was supposed too. Of course the brat will be made a hero and probably receive a free scholarship to college......Unbelievable."

You just might consider that the kid had finished what he was assigned, and used the extra time to do another drawing. Bright kids do that frequently, y'know.

And what the school does (pledge/flag) is irrelevant to the actions of the teacher...who, for all we know, is a screaming leftist who hates the US.

10 posted on 05/13/2011 3:54:25 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

In Massachusetts.

Whooda thunk it?


11 posted on 05/13/2011 3:56:56 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

The concept is fairly ridiculous, because it presupposes the notion that being offended is some kind of standard by which to live by, although it’s never defined - merely that because someone doesn’t like some thing, concept, or idea, that by itself is enough to censor.

Truly that way lies madness, which is the point. Your tax dollars at work.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 3:57:01 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: napscoordinator
All this would be mute if parents would all homeschool their kids.

Would it be mute or would it be a moot point? Just wondering, do you home school?

13 posted on 05/13/2011 4:17:45 AM PDT by Bullish (the golfer gets all the credit while the jet fighter pilot gets all the blame.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

So let’s just praise the kid and give him a parade. That is what you want anyway and when he turns out to be a cry baby leftist because he doesn’t get his way all the time don’t come crying to me. That is how it begins. Don’t like the rules complain to the media or sue the school.....Wow. What a great thing to teach children.


14 posted on 05/13/2011 4:18:06 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: FReepers

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15 posted on 05/13/2011 4:20:09 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Bullish

Of course. I actually don’t, my wife does....although I help with school work at night. I believe my wife would be upset if she gave our children (4 of them) work to do out of the lesson plan and they decided to draw pictures instead. If they finished the work that my wife gave them, then they could review the lesson. These stories just make me angry because they always believe that the student is the saint in the scenario and that is just not the case at times. Even my four angels don’t want to do the course work at times but you just have to suck it up and do the work assigned. (four angels....lol).


16 posted on 05/13/2011 4:21:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

I made up my poster boards EXACTLY as American flags. I even have the 13 bars and 50 stars...;-) They are HUGE and stand out quite noticeably. I always have a patriotic theme in my room, and I am not even a history teacher!!! ;-)


17 posted on 05/13/2011 4:24:49 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: napscoordinator
I graduated high school in 1970, so you know about when I was 11 years of age. The teachers always had boisterous kids that either they sent to the principals office or they notified your parents.

If kids are expected to be adults at an ever earlier age, a la homosexual education in grade school, they are being robbed of they're childhood.

Foisting a lock-stepped education will not produce the next great anything.

This is annal......an nothing more. It'll only encourage mindless rebellion at a later age.

18 posted on 05/13/2011 4:37:03 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: napscoordinator
On this story, I would not blame the school. The kid was not doing what he was supposed too.

If you believe what the school is saying. Sounds like this started inside one classroom, then we get explanations, or spin after it became a news story.

19 posted on 05/13/2011 4:48:22 AM PDT by Will88
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For later


20 posted on 05/13/2011 4:54:50 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
"...the teacher told Frankie that his drawing of the American Flag would offend one of his classmates."

Hey, liberal dumb@$$ teacher:

There is NO Constitutional right to NOT BE OFFENDED!!!


21 posted on 05/13/2011 4:56:24 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

This kid is 11. My guess is he actually was told he couldn’t hang it because it might “offend” somone. Is “offend” a word that comes to an 11-year-old naturally? Maybe he wasn’t doing his assigned classwork, but I’d bet he WAS told he couldn’t hang it because it would “offend”.


22 posted on 05/13/2011 4:56:24 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: napscoordinator
"So let’s just praise the kid and give him a parade. That is what you want anyway and when he turns out to be a cry baby leftist because he doesn’t get his way all the time don’t come crying to me. That is how it begins. Don’t like the rules complain to the media or sue the school.....Wow. What a great thing to teach children."

I think it far more likely that the teacher is at fault than the child, given what today's colleges of education turn out, and the indoctrination that today's teachers get.

What, precisely, is wrong with putting up a picture of a flag??

But my main point is that YOU are guilty of a rush to judgment, and that there aren't currently sufficient facts available to accurately understand the situation.

23 posted on 05/13/2011 5:10:04 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

But my main point is that YOU are guilty of a rush to judgment

You are too. The school puts out a flag every morning and says the Pledge. That is more proof than what you have.


24 posted on 05/13/2011 5:13:07 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

As a kid, I never thought twice about patriotism, in or out of the class.

The question is, why have you gotten to this stage, where this is debated as “bad kid”?

Back in the day, more conservative teachers would have smiled, if it wasn’t too disruptive, meaning, patience.

Your defending where we have fallen to, not what it should be.


25 posted on 05/13/2011 5:20:32 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

I am a big rules guy. Sorry but you liberals who believe in let the child do whatever they want it why we are in the DISASTER that we are in. If you can’t see that then you are part of the problem. The kid was given an assignment and he chose to do whatever the heck he wanted. It astounds me that this is even a debate. No wonder kids are screwed up now a day. No true structure or rules even at home. SAD!!!!!


26 posted on 05/13/2011 5:23:35 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
You are too. The school puts out a flag every morning and says the Pledge. That is more proof than what you have.

That's proves absolutely nothing about what happened in one classroom involving a teacher and a student. Wonder Warthog is 100% correct. You jumped to conclusions the information presented cannot possibly support.

It's the student and parent's story as opposed to the school officials' story.

27 posted on 05/13/2011 5:29:29 AM PDT by Will88
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

As with most situations of this sort you get each side’s story from that side, complete with spin to show their side in the best light. Without a third source of information that can be depended upon to provide the straight shinny, free from spin and outright prevarication, we really don’t have enough information to know who was right or wrong or to what extent there was right and wrong on each side.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 5:36:27 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: napscoordinator

Naps the article did not actually say the pledge is recited everyday, it said the flag was flown everyday. The pledge at Butterfield is recited but how often is not listed. Other schools recite at least once per week.

“Each of our schools flies the American Flag every day. At the Butterfield School, the Pledge of Allegiance is recited by students and staff. And the other schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once per week.”


29 posted on 05/13/2011 5:45:35 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

I can remember a time when a US flag hung in every classroom....=.=


30 posted on 05/13/2011 5:48:49 AM PDT by cranked
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To: napscoordinator
“you liberals”

LOL.....thanks for that one.

Allowing for expansion of character within rules hardly constitutes “liberalism”.

When my kid was growing up, I didn't give him a short rope.

But, I did give him one marching order:

“I don't care who you run around and have fun with, but, if someone tries to steer the group in a direction you know that I don't agree with and you don't either persuade them to something right or leave....lead or leave......then there will be trouble between you and I.”

He violated that twice.

He now holds a master in physics and computer modeling and is one tough hockey player. He camped out in Alaska at Denali all alone. He trekked around Europe all alone.

At 26 he became a Senior Engineer at the company he is at now.

He is pro-gun rights, and very conservative.

He's independent and confident and knows the value of “LIBERTY” and it's responsibilities because he was allowed to exercise freedom with the most minimal of rules.

When he came back from his Freshman year at college, he thought the house rules didn't, or shouldn't apply to him because of his age. He got in my face to complain about. He found himself flying through the air after I picked him up under his armpits and tossed him across the kitchen.

What did he do? He did what very few students manage to do. He qualified, between his Sophomore and Junior year, for a position on a summer grant in the physics department which allowed him summer rooming at the college. So he worked under the grant and at a diner for his freedom.

Has he ever expressed anger for that now that he is almost 34? NO!

Again, he was raised with the minimal of rules, for the purpose of exercising wisdom, judgment and understanding.

Did we have parent teacher conferences on his behavior sometimes? YES!......So what.

It's part of life.......discovery.

You must have missed out on that.

31 posted on 05/13/2011 5:56:43 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
Butterfield School
Robert Haigh, Principal
978-544-6136
butterfield@orange-elem.org
32 posted on 05/13/2011 5:57:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: cranked

That was then, this is now. Back then, the government operated mostly under the guidelines of the Constitution.Back then the police did not consider each citizen a criminal that they had not arrested yet. I could go on and on but, I think that you get my drift. As bad as I hate to admit it, I believe that those days have gone the way of the DoDo bird.


33 posted on 05/13/2011 5:59:00 AM PDT by sport
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To: TXnMA

Not exactly same subject but got this today in an email:

Fifty-Four Years of Math 1957 -2011 In America

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

2. Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20 ..

5. Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok.)

6. Teaching Math In 2000s
If you have special needs or just feel you need assistance because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, childhood memories, criminal background, then don’t answer and the correct answer will be provided for you. There are no wrong answers.

7. Teaching Math In 2011
Un hachero vende una carrtada de maderapara 100 pesos. El costo de la producciones es 80 pesos. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?


34 posted on 05/13/2011 5:59:29 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: GrannyK

And the moral of your narrative is.......Priceless!


35 posted on 05/13/2011 6:18:08 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Flintlock
In many rural schools in Alaska, ultra left principals have stopped the pledge every morning; Ak is about as conservative as they come.

Wife and I have our teaching certs. When we came to town, I started the kids doing the pledge again, upset the foreigners from Germany in our community. I was told people didn't want to do the pledge in our community. I told them wait until Spring I'm marching the kids outside in front of the flag then, ha; they were stunned.

Then 911 occurred and the pledge came back into vogue.

So many left wingers as admin, teachers, aides, on and on. Boy, it's tough being a conservative teacher in our school system. Funny thing is the wife doesn't have problems with them. She avoids the fight when they spew all their leftist ideology that shouldn't be part of the school day anyway; I just can't do that, ha ha.

36 posted on 05/13/2011 7:04:46 AM PDT by Eska
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To: napscoordinator

The boy has siblings in active service. I would cut the kid a break, and the teacher did say that his display of the American flag might upset one of the kids in the room. The boy was on Fox & FRiends and said that he spoke to the boy who does not take part in the pledge, the kid said he has no problem with this picture being displayed.


37 posted on 05/13/2011 7:11:30 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware
This is a post from the site that is carrying the story via Drudge.

It sounds like they have personal knowledge. If true the teacher has some explaining to do.

Not the case here......More than the Supt. should be interviewed, more than one person has said he was told it was "religiously offensive" and not allowed to hang it for that reason, and that reason alone. Frankie is a good kid, plays sports, stays out of trouble, and the whole story of drawing while he was supposed to be doing school work is a flat out lie! He was in art class, during "free draw". Why do you think the Supt. responded by phone and declined to show is face on TV??? Hmmmmmm.....could it be he knows he screwed up big time??? Dad is an ex Marine, and current Little League coach, so I'm pretty sure he knows about discipline!!

38 posted on 05/13/2011 7:24:38 AM PDT by mware
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To: napscoordinator
"You are too. The school puts out a flag every morning and says the Pledge. That is more proof than what you have."

I'm not taking ANY position. My first post pointed out a possibility that you, in a kneejerk response, obviously didn't consider.

And what the SCHOOL does is irrelevant to what the TEACHER does. I thought I had made that distinction clear. You have no more "proof" than I do, based on the article.

39 posted on 05/13/2011 8:12:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
Forbidden as a personnel expression:



Taught, praised, and promoted:


40 posted on 05/13/2011 8:18:25 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: jwparkerjr

Bingo!


41 posted on 05/13/2011 8:58:55 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Eska

I take my hat off to you. Being a conservative in Massachusetts is one thing. Being a conservative in a school system is another, especially if your school’s teacher’s union is ANYTHING like the Mass Teacher’s Association.

I knew a a teacher who moved out here from Colorado, and she said the MTA was totalitarian and nazi-like (in comparison)


42 posted on 05/13/2011 9:33:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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43 posted on 05/13/2011 9:51:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: rlmorel
We live in a very conservative part of Alaska, yet most people who are employed by the district are dems. Nepotism at it's best, with several family members from each family employed; boy they stick together too.

We don't even have prop taxes where we live, that's how conservative it really is. People out here hate any type of organized govt, yet the school district employees live in their own little world of liberalism. I remember being at In-service meetings and the speaker would rant about George Bush and how his policy was destroying education. Nothing said about the current Pres nowadays, ha.

Anyway, I guess we're fortunate we can still be registered Republicans and teach here; just don't try dropping out of the NEA;;;; or you'll be gone quick, no joke how it really is.

I once got heat about bringing a military recruiter in for 2 hours to talk to the kids. Ya, it seemed pretty normal thing for me to do too.

44 posted on 05/13/2011 11:20:58 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Wonder Warthog

True. You are probably right. I guess they will put out more information or this story will go the way some other stories go into oblivion.


45 posted on 05/13/2011 3:30:39 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Eska

America lives! Good post, eska...


46 posted on 05/13/2011 3:41:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
If a picture of the American flag is supposedly offensive to some people, then any picture, drawing, or painting of anything could be construed as offensive to at least someone.

What kind of tree do these nuts fall out of anyway?

47 posted on 05/13/2011 3:51:42 PM PDT by mtg
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

We should post the name and picture of the teacher and any other school official who wants to ban the Stars and Stripes.


48 posted on 05/13/2011 7:41:26 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: Roses0508

Is “offend” a word that comes to an 11-year-old naturally?

***********

I realize this thread is a couple of days old, but I wanted to answer this. You wonder if this kid is familiar enough with the word “offend” to use it this way on his own. Think about it, he’s in a public school, where they probably put up a “Holiday Tree” in the lobby in December, before the “Winter Break”. I think it’s a good bet that the word “offend” is part of a public school student’s working vocabulary by age eleven.


49 posted on 05/15/2011 10:32:39 PM PDT by Hepsabeth
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